The Lahad Datu Standoff: Another Point of View

February 27, 2013

The Lahad Datu Standoff: Another Point of View

by Lt Gen (Rtd) Datuk Seri Zaini Mohd Said  |

Sulu armyLIKE many happenings in the realm of national security, the ones often thought unlikely and even impossible to happen will. Old military hands had already learned this and will constantly remind themselves to expect the unexpected to occur, somehow.

Long ago, the United States experienced Pearl Harbour and then the 9/11 attack. We had among others, things like the Al Maunah arms heist at our military camps, the two-person samurai sword attack in Putrajaya and now the incursion and entrenchment in Sabah of armed soldiers of the Sultanate of Sulu on Feb 12. All of these were mostly unexpected.

Those in the business of defence and security are conscious of threats that can emanate from outside or from within the country. However, they can never predict and picture fully the actual and detailed form these threats can manifest themselves. These, therefore, can still surprise.

We were surprised by the incursion of the soldiers and their demand forHome Affairs Minister2 Sabah to be handed back to the Sultanate of Sulu or else they would fight — to the death if necessary. It was also some surprise to many as to the manner they made their demand, with more than 100 armed men, in Sabah, and, headed by a royal member from the sultanate.

Not unexpectedly, many are questioning why they were able to land in the first place and why it is taking so long to evict or apprehend them, forcibly if need be.

Understandable, questions from reasonable minds but since the operation and delicate process of urging them to leave is ongoing, it is best to let the authorities go about doing their job and wait for the complete answers to come once there is full closure of the matter.

In the meantime, there is little need for worry or cause for alarm. Indications are that the authorities and Police are on top of the situation and are prepared for any eventuality.

The Sulu soldiers are also reported to begin to lose their nerve and tiring fast. Even our military is close by and ready to come in if needed. It should not be too difficult for the security forces to end the standoff by use of force at all.

We should, however, pray that this will not be necessary. It would certainlyRajah Muda Agbimuddin Kiram affect and jeopardise the effort and our role as the facilitator towards getting the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and Manila peace accord finalised and the establishment of the Bangsamoro state in southern Philippines.

If force were to result in many casualties on the Sulu side, then Malaysia’s plans and prospects of helping and participating in the development in the land of the Moros will diminish. It cannot be easy when there are to be vengeful and angry people from within the population there.

In any case, it is believed that they had not come intending to fight us or our security forces. That they came led and dressed in recognisable military uniforms with clear insignias is not to appear intimidating but to be identified as a bona fide and organised military body and not terrorists or common criminals.

map-sabah-intrudersA recognition that would entitle them to be regarded and treated under all the provisions of the international law on land warfare and the Geneva Convention as military combatants. A status they could nevertheless lose if they were to make monetary or other material demands over what has already been stated.

This must have been clear to our authorities and that probably explains the present strategy of urging them to leave peacefully and not giving in to any inappropriate demand, being the most appropriate option to pursue.

Avoid the shooting part at all costs for it will never ever end in that part of the world and not with the Moros.


39 thoughts on “The Lahad Datu Standoff: Another Point of View

  1. “urging them to leave peacefully and not giving in to any inappropriate demand, being the most appropriate option to pursue….”

    We are telling the world our Government has leaders who are a bunch of wimps when dealing with external threats, but brutal bullies when dealing with peaceful Malaysians protesting on the street.

    Lt Gen (Rtd) Datuk Seri Zaini Mohd Said’s argument is NOT convincing.

    I go with the arguments of Mat Zain Ibrahim, former CID Chief who said the full force of our laws should be applied once the country is threatened by foreign armed personnel because they are confronting the Agung and the Constitution .

    The retired Lt General is trying to justify why the Minister of Defence and the MILITARY failed in their duties to come forward to take charge to defend the Constitution and the Agung.

    This crisis is not the responsibility of the Home Minister and the Police. It is the sacred responsibility of the Military and the Minister of Defense.

    It goes to show this UMNO-BN govt is IRRESPONSIBLE in protecting the sovereignty of our nation, starting with giving instant citizenships to illegal and legal immigrants by breaking the laws through a secret operation called Project IC with the complicity of the former Prime Minister and top bureaucrats, all for wanting to retain political power AT ALL COSTS, including the cost of putting the nation in DANGER.

    This UMNO-BN Govt must be booted out to protect the security of the nation, to safeguard the integrity of the institution of the Malay Rulers, to safeguard our Constitution, and more importantly, the safety of the citizens.

    This UMNO-BN Govt ENDANGERS the security of the country and the safety of Malaysians.

    If Malaysian voters cannot see that when they go to the ballot box in the coming GE 13, then they TRULY deserve the government they get. They should not complain and whinge any more about this corrupt and irresponsible regime.

  2. To this Lt-General who claims to be Panglima Sauk , I say this: “People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction”.(Novelist James Baldwin).–Din Merican

  3. Hmmm … I suspect the writer fears that a strong armed response to the intrusion by the Malaysian armed forces will alienate the Filipinos-turned-Malaysian-citizens-because-of- Project IC. So, treat them with kids’ gloves ??

  4. the immediate danger from this armed incursion may not be apparent, but the long term implication of what seems to look like an alarming weakness of the government/military to act swiftly and quick to end this. projecting the resolve that the sovereignty and safety of this land does not allow space for any debate or negotiation are vital as to not allow and deter another similar act of intrusion by other wannabes intruder. the Lt-General have, since Sauk, been living and basking in the glory of his achievement and was rewarded handsomely by just peddling around the ‘Panglima Sauk’ title. i believe his view does not reflect neither represent the view of the institution of military and soldiers as a whole. his, is a view of someone who have to keep sucking on the powers that be to sustain his newly found lavish post military life.

  5. It is unbelievable how this man can spin and tai-chi this incident. Because people like him, we Malaysians are embarrased for having penakut defenders…

  6. Now what?? We have too many armchair generals who have never been in any fight. All we hear are moans, groans and more whining. We need to hear the battle cry “Agi idup agi ngelaban”. How did this Zaini Mohd Said get to be a tin star general?

  7. This is a stupid write up. How can you let any foreign military either sovereign or not enter our country without proper approval. If they were allowed in, why call it a stand off?

    Malaysia screwed up when they brokered the Mindanao peace plan. They should have known that the spill off is that certain clans will be left out and will flee to other countries.

  8. “They are a bona fide and organised military body and not terrorists or common criminals.”
    Gen don’t make me laugh , I already had a belly ace laughing at how you supposedly single handandly brought the Bt Jenelak incident to an end. On a ‘serious note’ perhaps your expertise is called for here again as another SP beacons you. Ha! Ha! Ha!

  9. “In any case, it is believed that they had not come intending to fight us or our security forces. That they came led and dressed in recognisable military uniforms with clear insignias is not to appear intimidating but to be identified as a bona fide and organised military body and not terrorists or common criminals…”

    By the logic of this argument, any armed forces with weapons and in uniform from any where in the world can land on our shores. Right? Is this the understanding of our national leaders too ?

    Personally, I feel the incursion is like a slap on our face.

  10. Panglima Sauk, “…why were they able to land in the first place and why is it taking so long to evict or apprehend them, forcibly if need be.” is mind boggling to the ordinary rakyat.

    With the billions of Ringgit Malaysia spent by the government to give the best for the defense and internal security of the country it is surmise to say we are doomed closer to a failed nation when faced with a larger scale intrusion or attack on the country. Such intrusion and incursion by a small band of fully armed men is most unacceptable and embarrassing to say the least. It should not have taken place for whatever reason.

    I remember Dato Ramli Yusof was shamefully ridiculed and brought to court to defend himself on charges of abusing his authority when he used the heli to have a closer look at the porous coastline of Sabah with the objective to have a first-hand imprint to map-out strategic plans to safeguard our shores from any possible infiltration. His noble act in line of duty was repaid unkindly and disrespectfully.

    Prevention is better than cure should be the order of the day. A joint-operation by the army and the police when it comes to solving such intrusion is expected but it was never to be the case. What we need is not to make heroes of anybody but to save life and limbs and equally important is in the defense of the sovereignty of our country. In retrospect, joint jungle-combat training with the US military counterpart on our soil not long ago is not anything to shout about on account of what took place in Lahad Datu.

    By the way, the Sauk incident has created many lasting impressions -embarrassing, sad, anguish.

  11. General Zaini was the Corp Commander involved in the Sauk incident where he led the face-to-face close quarters negotiation with the out-laws having the leading opponent’s gun muzzle pressed on his chest, yet he managed to physically subdue his opponent finally. He is qualified to give his own opinion in this Lahad Datu incident. I agree with his opinion though not to the extent of giving recognition of Geneva Convention status to those Sulu intruders even if they refrain from demanding for any monetary or material benefits.

  12. Correction.Lt Gen Zaini.
    The Sulu invanderbthat came in,only 20 of them are armed .Most of them are old man who had been mislead by their leader(Sultan Sulu).

    We have to handle this carefully.We cannot used military tactic .Just continue to negotiate .They are vary tired and shot of food.How long they can survive.?

  13. Imagine there are generals like this strutting around, as they are doing now, in their full military regalia complete with berets and festooned with medals, peering through binoculars at the enemy, pretending they are some kind of Rommel or Patton or MacArthur.

    Scratch a little and you see them for what they really are. Pussyfooting around when they should be leading the charge.

    I always wondered if they deserve any of the pomp and splendour, not to mention the fat perks and perquisites, that they think they claim for themselves.

    Guess they will perform decisively if those on the other side are unarmed Malaysians clamouring for a better deal under the Malaysian sun or protesting corruption and abuse of power.

    And does the Rtd stand for Retarded?

  14. if we poke our nose into other peoples business unnecessarily
    others will do the same unto us.
    it is not Malaysia’s duty to establish a bangsamoro state in southern Philippines.
    therefore the Philippines supports the invasion of Sabah with arms and men.
    it is an embarassment of high magnitude for Malaysia.

    our good for nothing leader should run to Obama and make an appointment for photo shooting (that’s al he can do) with him.

  15. Yup.. while the govt. treated these armed incursions by foreign forces with caution, the same govt. treated their own citizens like shit..!!

  16. Dear Jen, it is an insult for you to link our mediation role in Mindanao with this incident. For us to effective in mediating; we have to be seen as fair and firm. In this case, what we are showing is our indecisiveness, our rolling deadlines and our bodoh sombong.

  17. Agreed , this Retarded Malayan Soldadu is the biggest clown thus far after Hisham the Rumah Menteri…. I am sure the military intelligence boys know damn well the kind of intruders we’re dealing with. Moreover , this is not a hostage crisis that the security people are compelled to exhaust all avenues of diplomacy before they strike… What we,re up-against here are a group of men armed to their teeth thanks to malaysian hospitality who are in the the business of pirating the sulu archipelago when their services to the defunct suluk sultanate is not required

  18. President Aquino’s appeal to the Sultan of Sulu to order his followers who had crossed over to Sabah to press the sultanate’s ancestral claim to the Malaysian state to return home was an ultimatum to end the standoff with Malaysia.

    The President could not have been more emphatic in making the sultanate toe the longstanding policy of not reviving the dormant claim to Sabah when he warned the Sultan in a press conference on radio-TV on Tuesday: “The right thing to do now is order your followers to return home as soon as possible. The choices and consequences are yours. If you choose not to cooperate, the full force of the state will be used to achieve justice for all who have been put in harm’s way.”

    He was referring to a group of armed followers of Sultan Jamalul Kiram III who landed in Sabah from Tawi-Tawi two weeks ago in an action to occupy Sabah, which they claim as their ancestral land. The armed men holed up in Lahad Datu in Sabah and were surrounded by Malaysian security forces who are prepared to expel the Filipinos by force.

    Mincing no words, the President left no doubt of his determination to break the standoff between the Sultan’s men and the Malaysian forces.

    “The point of no return has not been reached yet, but we are approaching that time fast,” the President said in a prepared statement at the end of the extended deadline set by Malaysia for the Sultan’s men to leave and return home. Malaysian authorities had thrice extended the deadline for the Filipinos to leave before they would be expelled.

    “May I remind you as well as a citizen of the republic, you are bound by the Constitution of the republic and its laws,” the President said in reading the riot act to the Sultan. Among the possible violations of the Constitution, he said, concerned Article 22, Section 2, which provides that “the Philippines renounces war as an instrument of national policy.” He further cited the enabling law for this provision—Article 118 of the Revised Penal Code, which punishes those who “provoke or give occasion for war … or expose Filipino citizens to reprisals on their persons and property.” Having been warned of the futility of holing up the village of Tanduao in Lahad Datu town, and of the Philippine government’s decision not to intervene in its expulsion, the so-called Royal Armed Forces of the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo has no alternative but to leave.

    High officials of the Philippines and Malaysia have been engaged in intense backroom talks to avert a showdown, which both governments fear may scuttle the Aquino administration’s high-priority project of establishing the Bangsamoro as an Islamic substate in Mindanao, within the constitutional framework of the predominantly Christian majority of the republic. It was not clear yesterday whether the Sultan would withdraw his men from Sabah, and government emissaries have been negotiating with the sultanate’s heirs for an amicable exit. The Philippine Navy has sent ships to the approaches of Sabah to evacuate the armed men and their families and bring them home.

    Only a week ago in Iloilo, the President signaled his disapproval of the occupation action of the sultanate’s armed followers.

    “If you [use] guns, of course the other side will have only one possible response to [our] challenge,” Mr. Aquino told reporters. “That cannot be the solution.” He said he expected that Malaysia would not give Sabah away without a fight.

    The emphatic ultimatum issued by the President to the Sultan appears to have averted a head-on collision with Malaysia, which has been facilitating peace talks that led to the Bangsamoro initiative. But it has come at the expense of sending back to a comatose state the Philippine claim to Sabah. The President has sent the signal that the government is not going to step in to back the sultanate in its bid to claim Sabah. He has said that he was prepared to talk with the heirs of the sultanate after their men withdraw from Sabah.

    According to senior sultanate officers, the decision to send men to occupy Sabah was made because the sultanate had been feeling left out from the talks on the establishment of the Bangsamoro entity.

    The Aquino administration announced that the President has ordered the Department of Justice, the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Office of the President to look into the sultanate’s claim to Sabah. According to Justice Secretary Leila de Lima, the government will know what action to take after the “comprehensive legal study of the ownership of Sabah.” She said: “What the President wants is to look at the merit or validity of the Sabah claim before he makes any decision, or before this government makes any policy direction with respect to that issue.”

    The message seems to be that the government is not rocking the boat and is going back to square one—when President Diosdado Macapagal initiated filing a claim to Sabah, when it was part of British North Borneo.

    De Lima took refuge in the excuse for nonaction that no administration after that of the late President Ferdinand Marcos had taken a “definitive” stand on the Sabah issue. She was apparently referring to the so-called “Jabidah massacre” of 1968, when Marcos organized a secret project to train Moro youths on Corregidor Island to infiltrate Sabah in order to stir up secessionist unrest there. The recruits revolted and tried to escape Corregidor, and were massacred. Only one recruit survived. He revealed the plot, causing it to collapse and creating a major diplomatic conflict between the Philippines and Malaysia. The massacre also heightened the Moro insurgency in Mindanao, which has lasted many generations.
    – See more at:

  19. Danil,
    What Malaysia needs are the professionals. Tok Cik is one of them. Sometimes if only politics don’t get into military action

  20. “We should, however, pray that this will not be necessary. It would certainly affect and jeopardise the effort and our role as the facilitator towards getting the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and Manila peace accord finalised and the establishment of the Bangsamoro state in southern Philippines.

    If force were to result in many casualties on the Sulu side, then Malaysia’s plans and prospects of helping and participating in the development in the land of the Moros will diminish…..”

    What utter nonsense! If this logic is correct, then we have no fear of retaliation from MILF should we choose to blast the encroaching militias off Sabah.
    Having said that, while we may not want to be totally gung ho over the situation – ask the Yanks and the Ruskies of the painful and costly lessons they learnt about their misadventures in Vietnam and in Afghanistan. There will be adverse consequences to be paid if we react unwisely.
    There are still various diplomatic weapons at our disposal which we have not exhausted. What Putrajaya should be doing or be seen to the world to be doing, is to call in the Pinoy ambassador to explain the situation, followed with a strong protest and a warning to the Philippines government to pull out their nationals out of Malaysian sovereign territory or we will be FORCED to take drastic remedial actions and the use of force if necessary!
    AND we will DEFINITELY pull out our support of the peace accord between the MILF and the Philippines government as the Malaysian government sees this incursion as a slap to Putrajaya’s face after what we have done out of our goodwill as a fellow ASEAN member to help them solve their domestic issue.
    AND Putrajaya takes this situation seriously and she will do what is necessary to prevent the development of any military insurgency happening in her own backyard. Having the Thai and the Moro insurgencies in the neighborhood are bad enough.

    As I have said in my earlier posting in another thread, the timing of this situation sucks and I suspect an unseen hand behind these bunch of rag tag militias which explains their boldness. There are always someone pulling the strings. Don’t believe me ? Who do you think are funding the Thai and Moro insurgencies and why?

    In a way, this situation can be read as a development caused by the parties who are pissed off with Putrajaya sticking her nose into their profit making enterprise as there are tons of mullah to be made from war and strife.

    Look at the bigger picture, folks! Cherish the peace and stability in the ASEAN region while it lasts. We need the peace and stability to sustain our growth. Even the differences and disputes over the oil and gas resources in the South China Sea can be resolved peacefully by adopting an arrangement similar to the North Sea agreement for the nations involved to share the resources in a win-win manner.

  21. Hmm.. what does this Lt Gen (Retard) do to deserve such hi esteem from you guys?
    How does he compare to his ex-colleague Lt Gen (Rtd) Abdul Ghafir, who somehow jumped over the other side of the fence?

    As far as i know Generals hate war, but love conflict. Nowadays it’s the Polis who are doing the conflicting. Has our Mageran become an off-shoot of NRD? So many questions, and no answers..

  22. Nobody bothers to mention 9th Rangers, who actually pinpointed the location of the Al Maunah group. A sub unit of 9th Rangers, their Unit Combat Intelligence Squad under the command of Captain Abdullah made first contact. As they were broken up into 5 men patrols they were able to cover more ground. The 5 men team that made first contact was under the command of Sergeant Ukon. In that contact (fire fight) Sergeant Ukon was wounded. Captain Abdullah the commander of the UCIS Platoon, managed to extricate his wounded sergeant. He located the main force of Al Maunah. Contact report was sent to Battalion Headquarters. The Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Stephen Mundaw reported that incident to 2 Brigade Headquarters. The Brigade Commander, Brigadier General Yazam gave the orders to destroy Al Maunah.

    When Lt Col Stephen Mundaw was directed to do so, he was thrilled and excited, he had the ooportunity to expose his young officers and young soldiers to the real thing. Since the CPM laid down the arms, they were only doing peace time soldiering. Which was training and operations aiding the police on illegals and other boring laid back duties. Whilst battle procedure (preparations for battle i.e reconnaissance, plans, issuance of ammo, orders, rehearsals, logistics plans, fire support plans etc) were being conducted, orders came from the higher ups in Mindef to stand down. No one remembers or mentions the role played by the 9th Battalion Royal Rangers. It is convenient to forget, so that others who do not deserve glory can covet and claim it.

    From then onwards it was a drama between the Police and the Army as stated below. Personally, the Lahad Datuk incursion should be handled by the Military. Let there be the rule of law, when you hang Kampong folks from Malaysia with home made guns, I think we should destroy foreign heavily armed invaders instead of pussyfooting around and handling them with kid gloves – edit.

  23. We have an irresponsible govt handling the security and safety of the nation.

    A govt that is willing to compromise the security of state by conducting a secretive Project IC operation to give citizenships to illegal immigrants and to give VIP treatment to Filipino invaders who landed on our shores in hundreds without the knowledge of our security forces ie airforce,army and navy patrolling our borders in Sabah!!

    It is incredulous that our navy and air force with sophisticated radar system cannot detect these armed intruders and our Police in and around Lahad Datu were unaware of these armed intruders moving around in Lahad Datu!!!!

    To say something is fishy going on in this crisis or scandal is an understatement!!!

  24. Malaysia ‘owns’ Sabah, yes or no? If yes, why does Malaysia still pay the 5,000 $ yearly RENT to the Sultan? Rent for what? If this gets to the international court, I think this rental issue can once again put into question Malaysia’s claim to Sabah.

  25. Somehow, no one had asked about the role of military intelligence. To me the Lahad Datu fiasco is caused by the total failure of our military intelligence. Where were they and what have they been doing? We need to seek answers to this question and if there wwas indeed a failure by military intelligence, some heads must fall.

  26. Fishy? You can say that again, Frank.
    Among the many reasons given for this FUBAR, one of the ‘quaintest’ is the Interpretation of One Word! This time it ain’t Allah.., but Pajak or Padjak. You see, we take it mean ‘Cede’, while the Sultanate of Sulu (er.., the whole hoard of them) take it mean ‘Rent’. I always thought it meant ‘Pawn’, as in Kedai Pajak..

    See here:

    That’s why Words are always open to interpretation, ever since the Tower of Babel
    came tumbling down. It seems that the so called 83% of Peninsula Malays who hold to the view of Exclusitivity of Allah are caught is the same conundrum.

  27. Looking at how this fiasco unfold till now, who still think our army and police could really safeguard our country.? No other ways, but to change government.

  28. the pdrm & army are all dressed up & Oakley’d but pussy foot around the invading enemy of state. The pilipino ragtag seemingly battle hardened invaders came with REAL guns & the whole shebang of things that can go kaboom, kill and conquer a part of malaysia.

    No, the pdrm & army are there to BRAVELY protect the gomen of the day against the tax paying Rakyak who protest…

    No, the whole shebang of armed forces are PAID, but not to protect the sovereignty of our nation. Yet another twisted Bolehness! Bah!

  29. “Malaysia ‘owns’ Sabah, yes or no? If yes, why does Malaysia still pay the 5,000 $ yearly RENT to the Sultan? Rent for what? If this gets to the international court, I think this rental issue can once again put into question Malaysia’s claim to Sabah.” — mo halim

    It is a lease in perpetuity. Hong Kong reverts to China after some 100 years because it was not a lease in perpetuity. It has a date when the lease expires. In the case of Penang island, it was leased by the Sultan of Kedah to Francis Light who then leased to his employer in India. It is a lease in perpetuity. in the case of Penang you can make an argument that the terms of the lease were broken and title then reverts to the grantor i.e. the Kedah Sultan.

  30. When armed men occupy part of your land, it is an incursion on your sovereignty. We should expel them outright. Thus, why they are still there, is a big question mark.
    Remember Batu Putih. We lost it through ‘negotiation’. Agreed we went to the ICJ. And we lost. Our Minister of Foreign Affairs was quoted as saying ‘A win win conclusion’. The cheek he has mentioning that. We lost part of our land. The significance is big. Its not only on a 8,560 square metres (92,100 sq ft) of rocky outcrop – its losing much more ground surrounding it. And he said it’s a win win conclusion. Trust him in trying to ‘Save Face’. There is another island off Johor. If we are not careful we may lose it. Again through arbitration. We nearly lost the Pulau Layang Layang in the South China Sea. We occupied it and place troops on it. Now nobody touches it.
    Occupation is possession. And ownership. If we just let it by and leave it to the wisdom of ‘legal minds’ we may lose more. Enough of trying to play it by the rules. Different parties including the ICJ see the rules in different perspective. Expel the intruders and occupy that piece of land.
    The implication here is massive. Any intended intruder would think twice about it. We give anybody a bloody nose if they try intruding into our land. We give in now – there’ll be many more in future.
    There was a suggestion that the Armed Forces and the Police conduct a joint operation to overcome them. I suggest, due to differences in doctrines and organisation, it’ll be conducted by either the Armed Forces or the Police. Do not combine. Military History has shown that trying to include ‘Muhibbah’ in a serious matter will not work. Refer to the US military invasion of Granada in 1983. They sent in the Marines and the Army Rangers for a supposedly ‘joint’ operations. It almost ended in failure.

  31. n any case, it is believed that they had not come intending to fight us or our security forces. That they came led and dressed in recognisable military uniforms with clear insignias is not to appear intimidating but to be identified as a bona fide and organised military body and not terrorists or common criminals. With these statement it actually show how stupid Zaini is,what does he mean by Recognisable Military Uniforms,if that’s the case,tmrw I will order all my workers to don newly made military like uniform complete with insignias…heeeee3, Which country are they claiming to represent with those uniforms,they are a group of Thugs in ragtag Military uniforms representing no one country,company,estate,district or whatever?so they don’t ask for money but came bearing arms that are clearly prohibited in this Country Malaysia, they should,I’d advise them to spend less money on arms and bring forth their case to UN and the World Court,regardless whether Malaysia comes to the table or not, once and for all,settle this case,whatever the decision is,
    the Law has to be applied or else chaos will forever reign….Oouch!!!!!! but true,that advised gonna cost them a couple of thousand USD for me,if they win, Yessssaa???

  32. I don’t understand what people are saying here. Brutally crush this “Royal Army” which will lead to the MNLF bringing reinforcements and causing more bloodshed? And if the MNLF bring their fighters in full force leading to full-scale guerilla warfare, what then? Do an incursion into Sulu to overthrow the “Sultan” and suppress the MNLF? Think through first before advocating a military solution. It can have unintended consequences. Its easy for peeps here to call for violence as most here won’t volunteer for the army anyways.

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