Between Tolerance and Understanding


September 27, 2012

Between Tolerance and Understanding: Clear Lines for Debate

by W Scott Thompson (09-26-12)@http://www.nst.com.my

AS a distinguished Islamic Professor from Kuala Lumpur said at my villa in Bali five years ago, “religion has gone from back to front burner in world diplomacy”. His last three words are key.

My debates with the late Christopher Hitchens (left) began long before his famous world debate with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair on the role of religion. Hitch was not known for delicacy.

Once in a debate, his adversary said, “I can’t understand a word you are saying”.Hitch immediately shot back, “I fully anticipated that”. He went public in his opposition after 9/11 and then the Danish cartoons.

Well, one good thing is that secularism is deeply rooted in Europe. The French won’t tolerate women wearing the burqa — nor any other religion (especially Catholicism) with any such symbol that lessens the equality of all.

What could more underline the subservient role of women than their having to hide their faces? You want the benefits of French wealth and social welfare? Then play by its roles and rules or go to where the subservience is honoured.

It was only a matter of time before the French got around to it. North African men burn down the suburbs of Paris because they feel discriminated against. Well, they’re earning much more than they otherwise would have.

Understandably, they have a more difficult time getting rich, because they couldn’t have yet mastered the system.But I know a young Frenchman, now living in Bali with his Manado wife, who finished high school in Bordeaux, where about half his fellow students were born in a “coloured” country.

I asked him how he and his classmates felt about the non-French students.”Why you ask such a stupid question?” Robin replied. “No one considers them any less French than the others.”

Remember that before becoming President-for-Life in the Ivory Coast, Dr Felix Houphouet Boigny was a minister in the French cabinet, back in the 1950s.

My own reaction was that there is a thin line between tolerance and an understanding of the phase a belief system is passing through — in an unstable international system for all. This is now even more clearly the case, with fires around the world.

Christianity went through centuries of imposing its beliefs. Spain gave Jews and the “Moors” the choice of conversion or death. Even during the reign of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, the inquisition led to thousands of deaths of “deviant” Christians.

Luckily, the world system was more confined in the 16th century, and aside from the Crusades starting in the 11th century, interfaith intolerance was localised. Jews in Germany before Hitler were more assimilated culturally than ever in any country.

I fought Hitchens on this. After three or four litres of booze, he got more eloquent, and demolished my argument. This in Bali in front of local royals, whose Hinduism wasn’t threatened thereby.

Choose your God in paradise, there’s a place for Islamic prophets and Christian ones, too.

But though freedom of expression must be protected, I’m not sure what good is accomplished thereby in pouring oil on the debate then lighting the fire. Maybe it’s needed to send the signal that we in the West won’t stand for abuse. But to what end? The French are closing 20 embassies anticipating attacks.

Do they enjoy masochism? Isn’t this the time to build more bridges, as President Barack Obama called for in Cairo in 2009?

I recall following September 11, Senator John Kerry came to my graduate school, which included numerous Muslims, to assure them that any necessary measures would be taken to protect them… proactively.

It is good that there are clear lines of debate. Moderate Muslims like Malaysia’s Karim Raslan get insufficient attention.

Let’s hope that within a century our grandchildren will live to see tolerance. And then attention can turn to some new intolerance, one hopes less built on fire.

And week by week, for Republican hopeful Mitt Romney, whose campaign’s centrepiece is intolerance, “it just gets worse and worse”. Follow not the money — but the American polls.

At this stage, six weeks before the election, it is hard to see any route to a Romney presidency, making my own belief in an Obama landslide more plausible.Romney strategists are no longer denying their anxiety.

W Scott Thompson is emeritus professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, United States

17 thoughts on “Between Tolerance and Understanding

  1. Clear lines for Debate? No, only opportunity for shouting at each other with little for everything else in between. We don’t listen to each other most of the time. Try to talk about politics and religion. You get sound bites and spin.–Din Merican

  2. It’s not just tolerance and understanding but also acceptance, acceptance of the differences, acceptance to exists and acceptance of the rights of the others.

  3. Religion or faith-based ought not to be politicised as bringing it into public space invites all sort of bigotry. Hence it should remain where it rightfully belongs: in deeply private domain of the believer and the Creator. Likewise running political parties based on divine power spells trouble to non-believers who are entitled to their belief.

    But this is a pipe dream because the concept of an idea is essentially controversial before it can be accepted, rejected or tolerated. The degree of of how the last three processes evolved is a measure of one’s civility.

  4. It may be just that – Intolerence in the West are caused by the muslims themselves (not talking of Islam ) for not being able to distinguish spiritual values meant for moral & ethical standard of human behaviour, from Imperatives to abide by Secularism deeply rooted in the West. As if they are Contradictory, whereas in fact both are perfectly harmonious….once muslims are able to get out of their skewed mental state, we all can obtain peace and harmony to prevail, despite ” religious ” differences.

    The first emancipation should be surrounding the controversial heavily=garbbed ” burqa ” mandated on the muslim woman – the first sign of how much they have been subjugated the male species over the millenium. It does indeed reflect very negatively against their own religion…

    It does not mean there is no Intolerence by the West, there are…. and good example is Mitt Romney who might become the next US President…

  5. Do not debate on religion or if I may be direct – on Islam. You would either come to a stalemate or find many things that do not correspond to reality and even the very opposite. This is because God does not tell his secrets. God’s law are so many. God’s knowledge is so wide. Therefore, there is nothing left for dissenters but they will come out of the circle of Islam and encroach into the Pagan circle.

  6. Have you guy’s heard of Hebb’s Rule? It states that learning takes place when certain neural pathways are reinforced.

    Ideas and concepts drummed into young pliable minds shape personality and belief systems. The rule of the mob and the thrill of violence reinforces the pathways to perdition. Man’s savagery and xenophobia is the result of accumulated detritus of all aspects of his environment, education and life experiences. And Externalized Religion is the Master of all Deception, because it is not only taught but also advertised. That is why the Western Enlightenment insisted on secularism and the divorce of State from Personal Religion.

    Another aspect to the resistance to Change for the better is Man’s inbred Caveman Principle: Whenever there is a conflict between secularism and technological advancement and the desires of our primitive ancestors, the primitive desires win each time.

    That, my friends, is why religion has no place in public Pedagogy – as my friend Frank would say. Perhaps a study of inter-religious faith and value systems are more in order. But as usual, i’m barking up the wrong tree. Any questions?

  7. When a person gets only half knowledge, then he will start to become less tolerant, but when it gets full knowledge, he will be more tolerant, because he knew that if human beings are created different not because the desire of religion or races, but because of the wishes of God.

  8. The western enlightenment came from Islam all those years ago.

    As for tolerance, the heartof the “moslems” shown on tv by edia is full of rancour, so how do we teach those who are not happy to be happy. They cannot find that happiness within them.
    If God were truly on their side, should they not exhibit Peace and serenity?

  9. religion has no place anywhere except in ones private life. religions will remain a tool for segregation if they are not banished to the altars at home and at the places of worship.
    science and technology should be the ‘Führers’ of tomorrow not religion or religious leaders. just live and let live!

  10. In essence, only the prophets of God would have a perfect understanding on religion. Even so they would not be able to uncover all the knowledge and wisdom from the heavens.

    I would reason that disagreement between people on religion would be going on and on and on and on until………. Acceptance, tolerence and understanding could never ever be achieved. But it is enough if we could keep our hearts always connected with the Most Supreme. Even that is difficult to achieve by human beings.

  11. Secularism is indeed deeply rooted in Europe but when they prevent their own kind from wearing a cross, I think they have gone too far to the other extreme.

    Hitchens? Never understood on what basis he got on to the bandwagon…

  12. Well Kat, reformation is required before a ‘western’ type of enlightenment. We are not talking of spiritual reformation, but a reformation of rooted dogma and archaic concepts of jurisprudence. For such a reformation to take place, there must be a leader. Often times, such a leader is the most maligned by current Orthodoxy, which holds all the powers vested by ignorant human psyche. As a result, he must be willing to become the scapegoat and be lynched.

    Do you see anyone in the horizon? I don’t, but being an optimist, i hope.

  13. A rejoinder to yours : ‘ Perhaps a study of inter-religious faith and value system are more in order ” – CLF, yes indeed.
    Have you heard of a group called the Perrenial Philosophers indulging in The Perrenial Philosophy somewhere in the middle east, comprising a couple of Jews, couple of Christians, and those muslims represented by Muhammad Abduh & Al’Afghani, in such close ambience of Brotherhood, synthesizing and documenting Knowledge which are Congruous & Convergent in the Abrahamic Revelations, which is broadly termed as SYNCRETIC KNOWLEDGE ?
    Its a very exciting piece of Endeavour being undertaken by these Perrenial Philosophers, very enlightenning CLF

  14. CLF, I knew what you meant. of course. reformation of the western type? it is not in the psyche. Everything western is taboo, for some weird reason. And yes, someone ( or a few million) must be lynched and die first before changes of any substance takes place. That is the (awful) human story

  15. Ecumenism will never be possible on an effective scale, Abnizar. We can have small time ‘conclaves’, but it’s nigh impossible to have big ones. Cave Men can never see Reason. The politicians and vested interests, are all out to do us in. When the Sunnis kill the Shia, the rabid Christian Dispensionalists see the Pope as the Anti-Christ and the Buddhists have deep reservations about each other – with the Mahayana, Theravada and Tibetan schools not speaking to each other, what hope is there?

    Best we keep the to our chosen path (if there is such a thing), in our own quiet way. Then when we meet our Maker, we can point our insubstantial noses at the querulousness and sinfulness of our leaders.

  16. ‘He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God’s punishment for sin could be purchased with money.’ Martin Luther
    tell that to the umnoputras!

    aptly said CLF, if one reads what they did to Luther, one will know that the church then was not much different from islam of today.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
    excerpt:The Emperor presented the final draft of the Diet of Worms on 25 May 1521, declaring Luther an outlaw, banning his literature, and requiring his arrest: “We want him to be apprehended and punished as a notorious heretic.”[59] It also made it a crime for anyone in Germany to give Luther food or shelter. It permitted anyone to kill Luther without legal consequence.
    sounds familiar??

    ecumenism is going on here for a while to integrate the catholic and evangelist but it remains still a big happening with little lasting effect.

    ‘Best we keep to our chosen path (if there is such a thing), in our own quiet way. – CLF,’ thats the only way. if not it will only wreak mischief in social life and politics.

  17. It is true that it is an Individual’s journey, not Collective, can never be….
    Good question, what hope is there ? But do not despair. There is hope yet as the voice of heavens say :

    For those to whom I show my favour, I will lead them the Way…..
    But for those who seek not My favour, I will lead them astray

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