Looking Back at the 57th PAS Muktamar


June 13, 2011

Looking Back at the 57th PAS Muktamar

By Dr. Bridget Welsh*

ANALYSIS: The victory of the progressives in Malaysia’s Islamic party has indeed served to inject greater dynamism into Pakatan Rakyat and strengthen PAS’ engagement in national politics.

The party nevertheless faces deep-seated suspicion by many non-Muslims and more secular Malays who see the election of the non-ulama team as a move to gain power than to genuinely move PAS towards the centre and towards the mantra that has guided the party for the last few years ‘PAS for All’.

The fact of the matter is that PAS will never appeal to all Malaysians as many reject religious parties and others remain apprehensive about the intolerant messages of PAS leaders in the past on issues of morality especially. Many will remain loyal to the BN and UMNO no matter what.

Yet, PAS, like all parties in Malaysia, evolves along with its ideology and strategies. What distinguishes PAS from UMNO today is that those willing to engage in reform have taken the party’s helm, while in contrast the dialogue and direction from UMNO and its Perkasa allies appears to remain locked in a time warp of the racial ideas of the 70s whose time has long past.

The voices of reformers in UMNO like Youth chief Khairy Jamaluddin have been noticeably silenced. As such, PAS has generated excitement, as it has taken the lead in shaping the direction of discourse among Malay-dominated parties.

Given the buzz surrounding PAS’ new line-up, it is important to delve further into what are the currents shaping its direction. Where exactly is PAS evolving to? What are the new ideas that are emerging among the new leaders and PAS? Are there stumbling blocks that will limit the progressive orientation of the party? Finally, how will these ideas reshape Malaysian politics?

PAS’ progressive ideas have the potential to transform Malaysian politics, but they will require much more than the usual talk that has associated with new leaders, and be tied to concrete actions that engender confidence and break down the underlying suspicions about the party’s ability to govern tolerantly across communities.

While many of the ideas are in the early articulation, and most lack clear policy implementation mechanisms, the 57th PAS Muktamar does point to five promising ideas that suggest that the party is indeed moving in a genuinely more progressive and inclusive direction.

It is noteworthy that PAS delegates avoided the shallow discussion of race and focused the debate on targeting UMNO and strengthening the party, showing an unprecedented discipline and coherence, despite the divisions in the party elections.

In the midst of this focus were snippets of five progressive thinking:

1. Building a Welfare State

The party elections buried the main theme of the muktamar, which was building the welfare state – ‘negara berkajikan’. At the core of this concept is the idea of welfare, namely that health, education, shelter and food are basic needs.

Prime Minister Najib Razak is right in that the focus on basic needs has been shared by UMNO, at least the UMNO of the past. Yet, he misses three important differences in the PAS articulation of this idea. The first is the active voice, the ‘berkajikan’.

Instead of a top-down model in which the state gives benefits, the PAS concept involves the rakyat, giving them a place in shaping the welfare outcomes. This participatory element is quite distinctive in that it moves the policy discussion toward one of inclusion and engagement, rather than of selective recipients and stationary acceptance.

This moves the realm of policy discussion towards one in which the role and inputs of ordinary people in shaping outcomes has increased, and in the process explicitly acknowledges the important role that ordinary Malaysians play in shaping their own welfare and evoking change.

PAS leaders point to the critical role of philanthropy and volunteerism, as they articulate this more active approach to welfare, and highlight the need to empower initiatives and embrace a more active civil society and citizenry.

The move away from a policy of selectively giving handouts and benefits toward one based on engagement and greater synergy between leaders and people is tied to the second difference in this concept – a broader idea of welfare.

PAS leaders are careful to distinguish this idea from the use of the term in the West – where the government picks up all costs of healthcare, provides unemployment benefits and more – recognising that financial limitations in Malaysia inherently limit the scope of welfare benefits.

Yet, they bring in the importance of spiritual well-being in their conception, believing strongly that welfare cannot be secured without an appreciation that welfare is not just about the material benefits of life, but should include an appreciation of psychological factors of dignity, common humanity and shared community and idealism tied to religious faith.

This non-materialistic conception implicitly criticises the focus on consumerism and ‘hard’ development that has guided much of Malaysian development policy since the 80s and serves to bridge the discussion between a welfare state and an Islamic state. How exactly it does this is unclear, but the spiritual element and implicitly an appreciation of ‘softer’ and ‘non-tangibles’ elements are there.

Finally, PAS continues to point to a focus on the excluded, those left out of the current policy direction of BN, namely the non-elites.

In this articulation of the welfare state, PAS is criticising UMNO for continuing to serve only the elite, the handful of contractors who were lucky to win deals. They point to initiatives in Kelantan and Kedah at the state government levels that target the hardcore poor, single mothers and elderly, highlighting the need to expand the social safety net for the vulnerable communities. The idea as articulated is that the state needs to help those who cannot have a fair shake in helping themselves.

What stands out from this discussion is that the focus is on specific groups; it is not a race-based policy that continues to narrowly conceive poverty and development in racial terms.

While PAS leaders do acknowledge that in the states they govern – with perhaps their involvement in Selangor as an exception – the majority who benefit from these policies are Malays, they point out that they are governing in Malay dominant states and emphasise that the focus is on vulnerability, not the colour of the recipients’ skin or their religious affiliation.

PAS leaders appear to aim to illustrate that a focus on those in need better targets state resources and promotes welfare broadly; it moves the allocation of state resources from those with access and playing money politics to ordinary people in need and not from the privileged classes.

2. Entrepreneurship and anti-monopolism

Party president Abdul Hadi Awang’s speech and the subsequent delegate discussions also pointed to the evolution of a new economic policy, one in which the market place and competition play a greater role.

The ideas here are less formulated, but there are two core elements that emerged. Foremost is the focus on removing the monopolies in the supply-chain in the economy. This idea builds on the discussion of IPPs (independent power producers) that has been in the public realm in the last few months over questions of subsidies.

Opposition politicians from all parties are driving home the point that favouritism in the allocation of contracts to supply goods, from sugar and chicken to water and electricity, underscore the costs of basic goods and contribute to inflation. These often hidden overheads benefit the elite and transfer the burden of their wealth gains to ordinary citizens.

Many of these have been in place for decades, and the lack of transparency and competition in their allocation continues to increase overheads in the provisions of services and affordability of basic supplies.

These comparatively higher costs from monopolistic allocation places Malaysia’s economy at a disadvantage when compared to Thailand and Indonesia, and this disadvantage is borne by ordinary Malaysian businesses and consumers.

It is thus that Hadi Awang called for greater competition, for a fairer marketplace where monopolies of the past do not continue to haunt the present and the country’s future.

At first, it may seem strange that PAS is calling for greater market forces. Like all the opposition parties in Malaysia, there is a tension among those who advocate for a checked marketplace and others who call for more market drivers.

Yet, it speaks to the fact that many PAS members and supporters are involved in small businesses that they face the financial constraints from an unfair supply chain daily. It is indeed affecting their bottom line, and squeezing those who are working hard to generate a decent income in a system that is at best skewed.

More and more small and medium businesses are forced to face the reality of a more competitive market, with greater pressures from China and other international markets, and do so without a fair shake.

PAS – as it has evolved to include more urban members and had to promote economic development in states without the same level of credit allocation and support such as in Kelantan – are appreciating the need to make the marketplace fairer through more openness and competition.

The discussions among some PAS leaders suggest that the aim is to instill a different trajectory for entrepreneurship. Rather than have entrepreneurs be ‘the chosen ones’, those who are assisted are those that prove themselves through competition.

Across communities those engaging in small businesses are facing similar problems such as a lack of access to credit and inadequate supports in marketing, beyond the comparatively higher costs of many inputs.

Among some PAS leaders at least there suggests that there has indeed been a dialogue that points to a different trajectory in moving Malaysia’s economy forward, a trajectory not based on transforming the economy through the hiring of expensive consultants closely connected to the large corporations, but one that listens to the everyday struggles of navigating the basic goal of assuring enough rice in the rice bowl.

3. Efficient and fairer governance

While the first two ideas were buried in speeches and the debate at the muktamar, the main theme highlighted was about changing the style of governance. This came most focused from the new deputy president of the party who focused his target on the election machinery.

Mohamed Sabu pointed to the need for more professionalism in the Election Commission over postal voting and the registration of new voters. He also called into question the actions of the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC), particularly over the Ahmad Sarbani case.

While his focus was on the immediate issues involving elections and serious questions about potential violations of professional ethics, the broader theme was there – the civil service needs to be fairer – across races, across religions, across communities. The focus was not on the civil service per se, but the broader political environment in which actions are seen to be politically motivated for one side in the political equation.

The zero-sum nature of politics – where the civil service has been seen to work for one side or the other has hurt everyone, especially the civil servants. Political loyalty is prized over professionalism.

Gone – at least in the rhetoric – is the professionalism and statesmanlike quality of civil servants in the past who were concerned with governing the country for the people in the country, not the politicians. The discussions point to the difficulties in strengthening the institutions that underscore improved governance – too much politicisation on the civil service and the promotions based on loyalty rather than merit.

The discussions in the muktamar floor called for better performance and called bias in performance to task. Yet PAS was unclear on how to build ownership with the civil service in promoting a more inclusive and more capable way of governing. The civil service will always play an important role in the country, and strengthening a system that rewards genuinely national service rather than loyalty is crucial.

The only other governance point that got attention – reminiscent of the early days of Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and his promised reform agenda – was to promote efficiency, to further reduce red tape and streamline decisions and the implementation of benefits. This was highlighted by leaders in PAS-led states who pointed to improved allocation of scholarships and distribution of elderly benefits.

While there remain considerable areas to improve in policy implementation, what is important to note is that PAS leaders are extremely conscious of the need to strengthen the capacity of the civil service and to work together in policy implementation, while simultaneously not ignoring the challenges of institutional reform.

At least so far, the focus remains on highlighting governance problems, given the charged political contestation between UMNO and all other parties, including some in the BN itself, and the perception portrayed by former senior civil servants in groups like Perkasa that the civil service is to serve UMNO and only Malays rather than the people at large across the political spectrum and communities.

4. Pluralism

In avoiding the narrowness of the disturbing racialised discourse that has dominated political debates since March 2008 – with many BN national leaders continuing to identify themselves with one community rather than the country as a whole and important concepts such as 1Malaysia being used as a campaign vehicle for one political side rather than as a integrative national framework, PAS leaders both explicitly and implicitly acknowledged one of Malaysia’s greatest strengths – its pluralism.

For the PAS delegates, this pluralistic cord was centered around efforts at reaching out to non-Muslims. While the party still has a long way to go in its outreach efforts, the strengthening of the non-Muslim wing has deepened engagement.

It is not a coincidence that the leader who has been arguably the strongest advocate for non-Muslim engagement Mujahid Yusof  was re-elected to the Central Committee despite strong opposition to his call for non-ulama leadership.

The urban cosmopolitanism in contemporary PAS has had an impact, changing its institutional structure and outreach.

The discussion of pluralism extended to the Malay community. Of late, in an effort to win over the Malay community, UMNO has harped back to its emphasis on the Malay community as a unified group. Its aim appears clear, to win more Malay support to gain seats, while recognising that its efforts towards other groups have not yielded results.

At the PAS muktamar, there was clearly more appreciation of the diversity within the Malay community, across class, geography and sectors. This engagement with pluralism within the Malay community reflects the reality of Malaysia. From Sarawak and Sabah to Johor and Kelantan, to the Umnoputras and ordinary taxi drivers, diversity is the norm. Assuming that all of these groups have a shared outlook and experience does a disservice to their needs.

Where PAS however faces its most serious challenge is to appreciate the diversity in religious outlooks among Malays. Many are more secular and would prefer to stay that way. In its outreach effort – to capture the middle ground – it is essential to both acknowledge and respect the right of others to think differently within the Muslim faith.

In many ways, Mat Sabu, who has promoted diversity of theological views in his speeches, provides leadership in this regard. The big issue is changing the rank and file within PAS who continue to adopt a mindset that you must belong to group think to be accepted. Engagement has to come with genuine acceptance of difference. There is clearly more appreciation of pluralism in the evolving PAS, although with limits.

It is also important to note that the ethnic pluralism among the progressives coincides with a greater appreciation of the role of women within the party and Malaysia generally. The voices of progressives are being articulated with the new Muslimat leadership, where the ideas of the welfare state and concerns over fairer governance have dominated the discourse of those recently elected.

5. Nationalism

The final theme that resonated among PAS’ new leadership is nationalism. There is clearly a harping back to the past when the party was driven by the nationalistic spirit that underscored Malaysia’s independence movement. This element of nation-building, of ethnic integration, of collaboration and spirit of hope is a fundamentally new message.

Media reports – and many personal laments – highlight the negativity and sense of disappointment among Malaysians, whether it involves religion harmony or personal attacks. No question, the discourse of negativity has not served Malaysia well.

PAS’ new leaders aim to instill hope and to build a stronger country, not just their own party. Ironically, many of these leaders who grew up in the Mahathir era are taking on the Mahathir nationalist mantel.

What distinguishes PAS’ nationalist message is its focus on strengthening the community within Malaysia. Rather than identify a foreign ‘enemy’ – such as Singapore – PAS leaders point to forging links globally with a stronger collective at home – after all, a unified Malaysia stands tall.

Beyond Vision

The ideas among PAS’ new leaders are indeed progressive. PAS’ new leadership draws its inspiration not just from Turkey – where Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is poised to win a third term in yesterday’s national polls – but from the broader transformations taking place across the Muslim world, be in neighbouring Indonesia or Egypt.

But ideas alone are sadly not enough. They need to be translated into concrete initiatives and policies. Malaysians have had many promises, and now expect their leaders not just to provide fancy powerpoints and snazzy concepts, but to walk the talk. The burden on PAS to move in a progressive direction, one that is genuinely nationalist and inclusive, is heavy.

They will not be able to carry forward their vision without greater support and cooperation with their Pakatan partners. In particular, PAS needs a stronger PKR that moves toward re-engaging the electorate. Pakatan as a whole faces the challenge of offering a different vision than just the mantra of change.

PAS new leaders also continue to face an internal battle within their own party. The conservatives may have suffered a loss at in the party polls, but are fighting hard inside the party to hold onto their positions.

There are two sources of conservatism – one continued to be tied to the narrow approach of the Islamic state – an approach that resulted in the party suffering its worst electoral defeat since independence – losing one state government and over half its seats in 2004 – and the other tied to a non-pluralist vision of the country involving race, the Unity Group, reminiscent of the 70s that led to the other significant historic loss of support for the party.

Both visions – tied to old guards in PAS – are outdated, but they remain powerful ideas within PAS, and still permeate parts of the elected party leadership. PAS’ progressives thus face a difficult path ahead. They will not be able to handle it alone, and will needed broader engagement from Pakatan and civil society.

Without cooperation, these ideas will not take shape. Yet, at least for now, the Erdogans victory within PAS suggests a move towards a different direction, one that offers a different vision for the country that challenges the UMNO model of governance in fundamental ways.

DR BRIDGET WELSH is associate professor of political science at Singapore Management University. She attended the 57th PAS muktamar as an observer. Welsh can be reached at bwelsh@smu.edu.sg.

66 thoughts on “Looking Back at the 57th PAS Muktamar

  1. Yup… I think its a rebranding of sorts for PAS with the elections of not just Mat Sabu but ppl like Husam Musa and Khalid Samad into the central ruling body of the party. And from the comments from ppl like Nazri and even the old fox Tun Apanama, one can see there is indeed a sense of “panic” from the UMNOputras. I am confident that with DAP and PAS now on more solid ground and Anwar himself enjoying a rebounce from the lashbacks of Sodomy II, sex video allegations etc., BN may suffer a voterswing this coming GE13 if elections are called early.

    I just hope the coming BERSIH 2.0 Rally won’t be taken advantage of by any party to create a state of emergency or as an excuse for a Operasi Lallang 2.0 too.

    BN will still win GE13 but much reduced majority, perhaps just a slim one and will most likely lose Negri Sembilan state and many seats in their fixed-deposit states of Sabah and Sarawak.

  2. The five points mentioned in the article are really non-issues because they are vague in a way only politicians know.The real test of PAS’s long term future will come from how the conservatives react henceforth. PAS (and DAP) has a huge credibility gap to overcome among Malaysians (Muslim and non-Muslim). The only way they can get round it, in my opinion, is if they ditch their non-stop rhetoric about “Islamic State” and “Sharia Law” and work towards the live-and- let-live Malaysia we started off with.

    Both an Islamic State and Sharia Law have a lot to offer any society but which Islamic State and exactly which Sharia Law? These have to be properly debated first and then put to a vote before they are adopted. Up to now all we have had, not only here in Malaysia but practically the entire Muslim world, are top down pronouncements that are unacceptable because they are unclear.

    It was interesting to note that the “no compulsion in religion” was mentioned at the gathering. I wonder in what context it was meant.

    PAS has wrested for itself a unique opportunity to be a credible force in our country. It must not waste it.

  3. Dear Din:

    For your reader’s reading pleasure. You might like to reproduce this in full.

    “Facts about PAS and The Islamic State Issue”, by Pak Sako.

    From Malaysiakini (free Letter version), 13 June 2011:

    The ‘professionals’ have been elected to PAS’s central working committee. PAS has trotted out a ‘welfare state’ slogan. The party’s deputy president-elect, Mat Sabu, has been hailed in Malaysiakini as a “cosmopolitan democrat”. A moderate image of PAS is being actively advertised.

    Yet the question that worries many non-Muslims and moderate Muslims remains: has PAS abandoned its Islamic state ambition or hasn’t it?

    For the answer, we need to go beyond slogans, media spin and the opinions of the politicians and examine the bare facts.

    The bare facts are found in Clauses 3 to 8 of PAS’s constitution. They outline matters pertaining to party goals, laws and authority. Their key points, translated, are as follows:

    1. The foundation of PAS: Islam.

    2. The aims of PAS: To create a society and governance in which the values of Islamic life is implemented; to defend the sanctity of Islam.

    3. The undertakings of PAS: Among others, to preach or proselytise Islam to all of mankind; to make Islam the guide to politics and statehood; to introduce Islamic values in efforts to uphold justice and bring about improvements in all fields including governance and administration, economics, society, learning and education.

    4. The laws and powers of PAS: The supreme laws are Al-Quran and the Sunnah; the annual general assembly and all other committees in PAS such as the central working committee are subject to it.

    5. The roles of the Syura Council (the top committee in PAS’s organisational hierarchy): Among others, to guarantee that authority in PAS does not depart from adhering to the highest laws, i.e., the Al-Quran and the Sunnah; to order that all parties and committees in PAS obey and implement the foundation and other provisions in PAS’s constitution; to monitor all activities, movements and administrative matters within PAS to ensure that these obey the foundation, provisions and requirements of the constitution.

    Interpretation and comments about the constitution outlined above:

    1. Points 1 to 4 would be a part of the framework and action plan necessary for setting up an Islamic state. Points 1 to 4 are the embodiment of PAS’s Islamic state goal.

    2. Point 5 empowers the unelected Syura Council to ensure that the actions of all committees in PAS do not deviate from Points 1 to 4. The implication is that the central working committee, whether completely filled by professionals or religious scholars, cannot avoid working towards establishing what shall eventually be an Islamic state.

    3. The very same applies for the Islamic state of Iran (refer to the country’s constitution): the supreme law of the land being the Al-Quran and Sunnah; the application of Islam to all spheres of statehood; and the position of the religious guardian council that ensures that Islam is the bedrock of the constitution.

    4. Mahathir Mohamad and Ibrahim Ali’s allegations that PAS has abandoned its ambition to establish an Islamic state are baseless.

    Click on the link above to read more…

  4. The party nevertheless faces deep-seated suspicion by many non-Muslims and more secular Malays who see the election of the non-ulama team as a move to gain power than to genuinely move PAS towards the centre and towards the mantra that has guided the party for the last few years ‘PAS for All’ – Bridget

    That has been my opinion all along. It is a ticket by religious clerics to gain center stage in Malaysia’s national politics, something that has eluded the Old Guards within this Party since its breakaway from UMNO in the halcyon days of summer, if you will, when the country was caught up in the euphoria of self-determination. The other partners of course don’t see it that way. It is not like they have a choice. They don’t.

    For the rest of us infidels, PAS in Putrajaya, will be like seeing chickens coming back home to roost. What? Don’t follow that one? Then perhaps it is just the heat of summer. And so sit back and enjoy the music of UB40

    .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMT3jk67-rA&feature=related

  5. PAS is basically a Malay and Muslim religion based/orientated organization seeks political powers.

    No matter how good their leaders are, mess up religion with politics and race is very dangerous indeed, and would be s disaster for Malaysia if they cannot get the political powers they wanted, like the Al Qaeda, Osama, Hindu Tamil Tigers, Christian orientated Ku Klux Klan, etc.

    Politicians must separate their religion, worse still if race is included!!

  6. UMNO amended the Constitution creating a double tracked system of justice, departing for the first time from a system that is civil and based on the English common law. Has that made Malaysia a better place to live in? Instead it. has led to persecution. Dead bodies are snatched from hospital mortuaries. The sight of the body of the wife of the country’s former Lord President snatched by a group of religious department body snatchers was only the physical manifestation of something that has gone ominously wrong.

    It didn’t happen under a PAS administration but UMNO. And to think that PAS broke away from UMNO because of the secularism and the secular approach to politics displayed by its leaders under Tunku Abdul Rahman! Am I missing something here? Has things changed so much that PAS would allow Malays to choose their own religion now?

    That amendment made to the federal constitution is unconstitutional and adds yet another tool that could be used to oppress the country’s religious minorities and religious freedom and another step to towards the establishment of the Islamic state – and all this happened under UMNO’s watch. Anywhere else that amendment will not pass constitutional muster.

    No. It would take not Allah but the rule of law to put the fear of God into our leaders.

  7. Christian orientated Ku Klux Klan, etc.

    Ha ha and ha. KKK is White supremacist Hon. Comrade Tan not Christian oriented.

    Visit Kelantan and talk to the Chinese there how they are treated.

  8. Commies tend to burn crosses too, semper. What a -stan
    I’ll have to agree with Bean for the time being, until the chicken really crosses the road. But that does not deter me from encouraging a change in the despicable, rotten and uncouth way, Malaysians are being treated by their gomen.
    For example: 3 Malay youths, one only 15yrs old, are said to be summarily ‘executed’ by the Law and there is no hue and cry from the affected community. Truth and search for justice has become subservient to the proverbial periok nasi.

  9. That’s right, CL. It is not about Allah (He has not put fear in the hearts of belivers). But the rule of law will put the fear of Him in the hearts of evil l doers. No matter how they appear i.e. in kippah or in skullcaps.

  10. Doesn’t matter Malay, Chinese or Indian atau lain lain, any death resulting from Police activity needs to be investigated. Sadly there is no other body apart from the Police that has been established to investigate police shooting. Over here we have the Sheriff investigating the Police and Highway Patrol investigating the Sheriff and even US Marshall and FBI are often called in.

    Life is cheap in Malaysia.

  11. I am all for what RIGHTWAYS opines about keeping religion well away from politics. But could it be that DAP and the whiff of power will succeed in bringing about a real transformation within PAS and make it amenable to more Malaysians?

    It is after all about creating an alternative and under the present circumstances what other possibility do we have? If only BN had reformed itself, we would not be in this situation.

  12. The issue of reform, Manteqi, will have to come from the bottom. The bottom will first have to drop out of UMNO. UMNO’s ass will first have to be exposed. Right now only Saiful’s ass is being exposed. And all that prodding of Saiful’s ass will come to nought if the reason for the prodding is miised.

  13. The new team in PAS will make UMNO sit up and listen. The 5 snippets are elements of their GE 13 election manifesto. Kudos to Nik Aziz and Ustaz Hadi Awang and PAS members.

    The welfare state that PAS is now pushing forward to gain voter acceptance is based on the Quran and the teachings of the Holy Prophet. It is about self and community help. That is why Islam urges the Ummah to be economically and financially strong so that they are self-reliant and can undertake philanthropic work. As Dr Welsh says, “PAS leaders point to the critical role of philanthropy and volunteerism, as they articulate this more active approach to welfare, and highlight the need to empower initiatives and embrace a more active civil society and citizenry”.–Din Merican

  14. One thing’s certain, in order for the bottom to fall off, we need uncertainty.
    That my friends, is to allow Entropy do it’s duty.
    As UMNO decays, it’s certitude betrays.
    PAS clings to certitude of moral law they call justice- an ethereal beast.
    That too is subject to decay, for conscience is oftentimes betrayed by power.
    If we could be ruled by anarchy and uncertainty.
    Therefore, the wise must Not play by their rules, but with their uncertainty.
    It is Our Freedom of choice, if there were such a thing..
    By which time our kerbaus will certainly passed through the Gates.

  15. Constitutions are one thing – interpretations quite another. And don’t we know it…There is nothing in the reference to PAS’s constitution (Zaid Ibrahim, above) that precludes an accomodation (liberal?) with modernity. This is what Turkey is grappling with right now. (And breaking news : his brave stand has won him a third term today).

    It is all about live-and-let live and PAS’s leaders must have grappled with this before the recent get-together. If so, could they have concluded that now was the time to break free from the AKHIRAT-based outlook and embrace the real world and that doing so would not dilute their cherished principles?

    Interesting times ahead…

  16. “..old Octopussy could be one of the virgins.”

    Hahaha,., Possible but not likely. I’d rather he serve the Obedient Wives Club.
    Well, it’s either that or Hades guarded by the 3-headed dog, Cerebus.
    No there’s no infatuation involved on my part. Way past that stage. Just seeing it light of choices. Right now, that’s obvious and i’ll live for the present, but watch the future.

  17. Ha ha and ha. KKK is White supremacist -semper fi

    Yes Ku Klux Klan is not only White supremacists but also Christian fellowship. According to Wikepidia, They are explicitly Christian terrorist in ideology, basing their beliefs on a “religious foundation” in Christianity. The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to, “reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible,” and believe that “Jesus was the first Klansman.”

    Christian terrorism comprises terrorist acts by groups or individuals who claim Christian motivations or goals for their actions. As with other forms of religious terrorism, Christian terrorists have relied on idiosyncratic or literalistic interpretations of the tenets of faith—in this case, the Bible. Such groups have used Old Testament and New Testament scriptures to justify violence or to seek to bring about the “end times” described in the New Testament, while others have hoped to bring about a Christian theocracy.

    Similarly in Malaysia, we have PAS an Islamic Party; Perkasa Malay supremacist , and UMNO who also shouted Malay Supremacy, all seek political powers.
    White supremacist and Christian terrorism are like Malay supremacy and Islamic/Muslim terrorism who seek political powers. If the religious politicians cannot get the powers and privileges they wanted, they would resort into terrorism just like the Christian Ku Klux Khan, Muslims Osama, Al Qaeda, Hindu Tamil Tigers, etc.

    Messing politics with religion and race is therefore a common ‘threat’ to the society. Fortunately, European and American learned the lessons well long ago. That is why Pope Paul is not allowed to involve in politics. However, they are either silent or subtlety encourage others to mess up, the double standards. Hope the our Malay and Arabs wake up fast.

    Thus, the Malay majority mess up politics with religion is a ‘threat’ to the minority Non-Malay in Malaysia! Take this as a warning!.

  18. I’m busy watching one man’s quest to recover the remains of Osam-a been laid from the Arabian Sea because his Russian girlfriend doesn’t believe the man is dead and feels her government should have put on display the man’s body just the way they did in the old wild west with Billy he Kid.

  19. Mr. Bean, Osama’s spirits still alive. This time, more fierce one than Osama emerged, a doctor, proficient in 3 languages, guess who?

    The the real ‘threat’ now and future is religion messed up with politics, race included, be prepared.

  20. What are you babbling about Mr Bean?

    rightways,

    Just because you don’t agree with organized religion, doesn’t mean you have to relate them with extremist groups. Are you saying that the politics in Europe and America are free from religion? Sorry to break it to you that they are not. Your China isn’t perfect either despite separating religion and politics.

  21. ” Fortunately, European and American learned the lessons well long ago. That is why Pope Paul is not allowed to involve in politics.” -Rightways

    It makes sense if most of them are not Roman Catholics. Why would a non-catholic want to be subjected to the Pope?

  22. My comments on Welsh’s article:

    1. KJ is smart but an unprincipled political opportunist. Judge politicians by their actions, not their words. Remember his deeds when his FIL was the PM?

    2. A decent Welfare State should also include a public transport system that is affordable to the poor

    3. The “govt’s money” is the people’s money. What we demand is a govt that spends the people’s money with prudence and manages public funds with proper stewardship. There is nothing wrong with the govt spending a lot on the Welfare State if it promotes the health and well-being of the people, improves human capital,
    gets rid of slum housing, results in a good public transport system. What we don’t want is the “UMNO-style Welfare State” where rent-seekers are rewarded while subsidies to the poor are cut. Or a Con-Dem UK-style David Cameron “welfare state” where bankers and other financiers responsible for the current economic crisis in UK, USA etc are bailed out at public expense while public services are cut simultaneously. We demand a Swedish-style welfare state where the quality of life is high while economic competitiveness is maintained.

    4. Turkey’s Ergodan is a good role model for PAS politicians.

    5. As a non-Muslim, I can accept continued moderate Islamisation if PAS comes to power in a coalition govt at the federal level if the rights of non-Muslims are respected and dare I say, the rights of Muslim women are also protected. Moderate Islamism will counter the anti-PAS propaganda of the MCA types (junior partners in the current kleptocratic regime).

  23. Well, Mr Bean

    Groups like SIS (Sisters in Islam) will say that they are in danger of being eroded
    by the more conservative religious elements here in Malaysia.

    Regards,

    Phua

  24. You cannot find better women anywhere. Malay women share their husbands with three other women and have their own Obedient Wives Cllub wiht Dato as Chairperson and Saiful las Deputy..

  25. It is bad enough for DAP, PAS and PKR to be sharing the same bed. But expecting PAS to consummate their marriage without first converting the other? That’s a little too much, isn’t it?

  26. Well, Mr Bean

    I am much more optimistic than you, I suppose.

    The primary aim now is for all anti-UMNO/anti-BN forces to unite and throw out its
    kleptocratic regime (peacefully, through People Power and the ballot box)

    Disagreements etc can be worked out in a spirit of give-and-take later after a new govt comes into power. Meanwhile, the joint effort to take back the country from the kleptocrats, fascists and cynical race-card players is leading to greater co-operation and trust between the component parties of PR.

  27. Sorry to dampen your spirits Phua but I can see the storm over the horizon. Which is why I believe in the spirit of Chivas Regal. It never disappoints me. It is there when I need it.

  28. ” Which is why i believe in the spirit of Chivas Regal . It never disappoints me .” – bean

    Way to go bean . Keeps “coitus interruptus ” active and it is good you don’t practice medicine anymore .

  29. Darkest before the dawn, Mr Bean.

    Who would have imagined, during the 1980s, the end of the racist apartheid Souith African regime in 1994?

    Who (including the political scientists) predicted the rapid collapse of the Eastern European Communist police states during the late 1980s and early 1990s?

    Who could have imagined the ousting and fleeing into exile of kleptocratic leaders in Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen just a year ago?

    I continue to be amazed by the bravery of the ordinary people of Bahrain and Syria in their respective People Power movements. In Bahrain, after a brutal crackdown, the people are mobilising again. It looks like in Syria, army units are defecting to the side of the people.

    Quote from Cornel West: “When ordinary people wake up, elites begin to tremble in their boots”

  30. PAS to lead PR now! PKR I dont trust at all because honestly a lot of ‘cari makan’ types there. DAP … other than a few trust worthy leaders like LKS, Guan Eng etc there a major question marks about the likes of that Jeff Oois, Kee Hiongs, Ronnie Lius, Tony Puas etc etc.

  31. If I may add one more comment:

    DAP needs to keep its chauvinists in check.
    Just like PAS needs to keep its radical Islamists in check.

    JJx : I am quite surprised that you are suspicious of Tony Pua.
    Check out his blog.

    DAP needs to emphasise more on its founding ideology of social democracy
    and suppress its impulse to narrowly defend ethnic group interests.

    YB Liew ChinTong (whom I know quite well – he was in my political
    science class many years ago) is one strong advocate for social democracy
    within DAP.

  32. For me, it is capitalism with a human face. The disadvantaged and those who lost the competition race need to be looked after or given a second chance.–Din Merican

  33. PAS must seize the moment and show that it can be a real alternative to the present regime, not in 2013, but some time in the future. It needs to convince voters that it is truly a party for all Malaysians.–Din Merican

  34. For all i care, it all boils down to governance.
    Irregardless of whether it’s secular or ‘religious’ based political entities, a government based on meritocracy, democracy with a holistic socialist agenda and the freedom from state sponsored coercion in whatever fields of human endeavor would be ideal.

    Many seem to think that humanity can get rid of ‘Religion” as a human characteristic. That is impossible. Communism and like minded socio-politico-economic ideologies with atheist roots, has failed dismally. “Religion” – in its widest context and in whatever form – be it in rabid ideology (e.g. Fascism) and idolatry of political leaders (e.g. Maoism) can never be expunged from the human psyche, but only changes its outward form.

    What is important is the governance of citizens without prejudice and without cynical, hypocritical justice. Such governance must not hampered by laws written in Stone but instead be with the heart of Conscience and the fact that Every-man is your brother..

  35. So our Dato and semper retired U.S. Marine are down in Phom Penh searching for a good spot for piling — and Tok Cik is recovering from his binge in Ipoh Clu. What else is new??

  36. Semper Fi and his colleague, Mike Rice are now heading for Singapore and will be joining me at KLIA at 7.45 am on February 15 and from there we will be on a MAS fight to Phnom Penh. It is business trip. Sorry Mongkut Bean, you are not able to join us.

    As for our friend, the resident gatekeeper of Wat Siam, I think he has changed since the recent passing of his Guru in Bangkok. Give him time. I will blog from Phnom Penh.–Din Merican

  37. Non Muslims who still insist PAS abandons the Islamic State issue are a bunch of stupid idiots.

    Every fool knows, except those chauvinist narrow minded non Muslims, especially the Chinese in DAP and MCA and Gerakan, there is NO way any party can constitutionally make Malaysia an Islamic state. Malaysia has too high a population of non Muslims. Even Kelantan with only 5% non Muslims, it was not possible for PAS to make that an Islamic State.

    What is happening is that racist UMNO under that senile kutty-supremo with the help of Anwar Ibrahim when he was with UMNO, to allow creeping Islamisation of the country.

    Now you have secular judiciary with judges who allows Sharia laws to take precedence by default. You have Education Ministry bureaucrats and school principals acting like Little Napoleons pushing the Islamic religion by stealth to non Muslim children and the Malay cultural dress of songkok and baju melayu replaced by the Arabic white skullcap, long green/while robes and women in tudungs in a country tbat has 95% humidity in 33 C heat. And of course the latest wanting Malaysian women to become first class prostitutes to husbands because Islam says so.

    PAS has come to realise that catering to the Islamic State to appeal only the Malay voters will not bring them win Govt at their own right. If they join up with UMNO, PAS will either be marginalised or bullied like what happened to Datuk Asri and Datuk Nasir when they brought PAS into BN.

    PAS now learns that it can and has to work to work with non Muslim parties to win non Malay votes. The tipping point for PAS leaders to wake up was the 2008 election when non Muslims would vote PAS by PAS appealing to the universal values embedded in Islam.

    PAS leaders have woken up to one fact which they had refused to admit: Using Islam as a basis to win Federal Govt or any state govt with a substantial number of non Muslim is no-brainer. That is why PAS is still stuck in Kelantan with 95% Malays… and it so happens Kelantanese Malays are different from the Malays of the other states.

    Non Muslims who still insist PAS drops the Islamic State issue totally from their platform before they can trust PAS means these are non Muslims whose brains are buried between their legs.

  38. Dato Din,
    I would love to go back to Phnom Penh again. Was there in 2004 for a month on a UN mission to assess an 11 year project funded by the Japanese Govt to resettle the IDPs (Internally displaced persons coming from the border of Thailand) into the villages in various provinces undertaken by the Ministry of Rural Development. Asean countries (including Malaysia) provided the technical assistance on rebuilding their livelihoods in the newly resettled villages. At that time Hun Sen was still having trouble forming a govt. Quite a mess then at the govt level.

  39. “Every fool knows …. there is no way any party can… make Malaysia an Islamic State” FRANK

    So why do folks in PAS keep repeating every so often the words “Islamic State” and by doing so throw a big spanner in the works? Is it not better just not to utter these words and make life so much easier for themselves and for the country?

  40. Isa Manteqi

    There are also idiots of the same degree as those nonMuslims whose brains are wired to the 7th-8th century Arabia, and who fantasize with wet dreams about making Malaysia a caliphate or to rule 21st century borderless nations based on some bearded turban wearing whose outlook of the world is between the covers of the Quran and the hadiths. Each time they see the world, they try to form arablic words from what they see.

    To see people, Allah only speaks and understands Arabic… and the lingua franca of the Islamic Heaven is Arabic. That means in Muslim Heaven, Allah’s chosen people are the Arabs and Malay Muslims might end up as house maids and butlers to the Arabs in the Muslim paradise.

    In Christianity, God speaks and understands all languages, and the Christian heaven is multi lingual. Buddhists have no hevean… when they die, they are like a drop of water in an ocean.

    Those bearded skull cap ulamas in PAS have not got their brains evolved to 21st century.

  41. correction

    To these people, Allah only speaks and understands Arabic… and the lingua franca of the Islamic Heaven is Arabic. THat is why Islam is one religion where all prayers whether from China or to the South Pole, MUST be conducted in Arabic. If you don’t understand a word in Arabic, you memorise and pretend you know what you are mumbling… after all, it is for Allah to understand your prayers.

  42. Frank,

    As proof of your undying love for PAS, you will be required to give up your foreskin submit yourself to the prodding and prying hands of members of the Obedient Wives Club. Do you think you have what it takes to survive the ordeal at your age?

  43. Mr Bean

    It was the Jews who first used God as an excuse to lose their foreskin. I am still wondering why the semitic desert people j days gone by were obsessed with losing their foreskin… is it because it disturbed their sex play in the sand…. kind of the sand get into “glans penis” and caused rashes on time after intercourse. Or it has to do with the desert heat in the tents even at night. Or because in the desert there is lack of water between oasis, hygiene became an issue for their womenfolk and must have rejected their advance and affected their performance.

    So along the way in history, the ancient semitic desert people found an excuse for removing their foreskin…. they say GOD demands they lose their foreskin. My question is , if GOD made man in HIS image as the Jews and Muslims and Christians believe, God must have the foreskin too ( since semitic religions refer to God as Father or male). Even if that is not the case, why must God make man HAVING foreskin in the first place? Did God blundered when he carved out that tool between the legs of man….

    In Darwinian system of thought, the foreskin was critical and a necessity to protect the \\male organ of the evolutionary cousins of the Jews, Muslims (including Muslims like Ibrahim Ali) and Christians and others as they climb the trees and walked naked in the jungle. Exposure of the glans penis to the elements in the jungle was not a good idea and it was evolution that put the foreskin on primates including the Jews, Muslims and Christians.

    God NEVER demanded that you lose your foreskin… it was an excuse made up by the semitic desert people because they had the sand-problem while having intercourse in the intent and also because of their poor hygiene due to lack of water in the desert.

    These semitic religions always blame God for their short comings including their desire to chop off their foreskin…. against the rules of nature and evolutionary demands made on the primates ( ie include mankind)

  44. From a public health point of view, losing your foreskin is
    actually a good thing.

    Latest research shows that it helps to reduce risk of
    HIV/AIDS infection. Good for penile health too! 🙂

  45. Phua Kai Lit

    It depends.Nature always give a skin to protect what is precious. Always remember, the banana has to be peeled to be used. When it is never used, it is covered.

    The research you cited might have been conducted by Jews or Muslims. Check the research by the atheist Chinese,Hindus and the Buddhist scientists.They might find the results otherwise.

    Prior to the idea of circumcision, the human race has never default with the foreskin on. If the foreskin is useless, evolution would have removed it, you don’t need to see a surgeon or the witchdoctor with a rusty blade doing it.

    The tail was removed from the human body (check your back for the remnant of it) and so is the uselessness of the appendix in your body.

    This foreskin nonsense is propagated by RELIGIONISTS to please their God(s)… and till today I have not heard any evidence God say , take off your foreskin if you want to tak to Me. This foreskin debate was started by some desert people writing those fairy tales considered sacred today because they had a problem with managing their tool between their legs in the desert and in the sandy tent under the clear dry desert sky.

    It is disgusting to blame on the Divine when people have a problem with their foreskin. Sheeeesh!!!

  46. Bean,

    You being a alcoholic and a drunk quack and a sexual deviant as a medical practicioner, i guess i can understand why you are afraid of PAS in its new image .

  47. C’mon, why in the Name of Foreskin are you guys babbling about the Mosaic Law for?
    Circumcision was practiced from ancient times, even before the Moses. Egyptian Priests did it, Moses just copied it. Early Paulian Christians deem it inappropriate.

    It was just a way to confer a Covenant and to mark irrevocably a people as a tribe of ‘Entitled’. Easier to identify the dead among the warriors.

    Health benefits of Circumcision? Yeah, you can extract stem cells from the prepuce if done early enough in infancy. None, if circumcised later. But to say it confers ‘protection’ against STDs, is in fact detracting or absolving male responsibility in sexual health. In other words, you’d just making ‘Hornified’ excuses. The only medical indications for it, is a pinhole outlet and adhesions. The rest is totally Legal and Aesthetic(?). Best you guys talk of Female Genital Mutilation and it’s role in OWC. Sheesh..

  48. The Foreskin, which has to be expunged, has become a symbol of the Devil between your legs. God made a mistake by allowing the Devil to be part of his Image.

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