Leadership is an Extreme Thing, says Roshan Tiran


Kuah, Langkawi, Kedah Darul Aman

Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing–Vince Lombardi

February 20, 2011

Roshan Tiran on Leadership

Din, Roshan and Dr. Kamsiah

Dr Kamsiah and I are in Langkawi  since February 18, 2011. My board colleagues and I am here to attend a Brainstorming session with the management team of Bina Darulaman Berhad and a Board meeting. Dr. Kamsiah and I return to Kuala Lumpur tomorrow.

Almost immediately upon our arrival at the Westin Hotel and after dinner, we attended a presentation on Leadership by Roshan Tiran, Leaderonomics Sdn. Berhad. It was an interesting session that left impressed me with Roshan who thrilled his audience with his passion for Leadership and Leaders. Roshan, known as “Godfather” to his colleagues and students of General Electric (GE) Financial Management Programme ,was unbelievably energetic, cheerfully contagious, and positively charged.

In his presentation, he talked about building a corporate culture that encourages people to learn and grow continuously. Because leaders are made, not born, top management have a responsibility to develop leaders, build leadership skills at all levels of the organization, and ensure that there are always leaders in the pipeline to take over.

No man is for all seasons and knowing when to quit is also part of leadership, as typified by South African President Nelson Mandela. Mandela could have been a President for Life, but he chose to step back, after having brought an end to Apartheid.

Leadership is, Roshan said, an attitude which is premised on being a champion, not an also ran. It is an extreme thing. So a leadership programme worth anything should instill in an individual the need to change, learn, unlearn and relearn in a lifelong journey and deal with adversity and failure along the way.

Today, more than ever, a leader must be a technically or functionally competent person with humility that enables him to always be a learner, a clear thinker, a communicator and motivator, an innovator, and a teacher-mentor who symbolised a passion for change and personal growth in his people.  In short, he is a servant-leader. And a great leader must also know when to call it a day and leave a legacy  of attainment with humility.–Din Merican

Leadership is an Extreme Thing

It is about traits but not just about traits, says Roshan Tiran.

In 1997, while I was working at NBC News, Mother Teresa, Nobel Prize winner, died. While preparing for a special programme on her life as a tribute to her, I started browsing stories and facts about her. Here was a shy, introvert woman, born as Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiuin, who impacted the world.

At the height of the siege of Beirut in 1982, she managed to persuade the Israelis and Palestinians to cease fire long enough to allow the rescue of 37 children from a hospital.

A captivating story was when she went to an Indian bakery and insisted on getting free bread for her homeless children in Calcutta. The baker slapped her hard and asked her to get out of there. She did not become defensive or smack the baker for his assault on her. Instead, she calmly said, “I probably deserved that slap for asking for free bread. Now, please give me my bread.”

She harassed the baker for two hours until he could no longer tolerate her and just gave her the bread to get rid of her. Here, she displayed her extreme humility but also her extreme assertiveness in one situation. And I started to get a sense of what leadership was.

So, what is leadership? Being outspoken, charismatic, visionary, inspiring and passionate does not mean that you are a leader. Leadership is about traits but not just about traits. I have discovered that all leaders, from Mother Teresa to Jack Welch, have this same ability: They are experts at using the right traits at the right moment.

Here’s a quick question. Which is more important for leaders to have: The ability to listen or the ability to talk? The ability to be detail-oriented or the ability to see the big picture and be strategic? The ability to learn or to teach? The ability to be humble or to be assertive? To rule by authority or by influence? The ability to drive change oneself or to empower others to lead the change?

These traits are generally the polar opposites of each other. Ironically, the answer to each of the questions above is: Both. Leadership is about context and situation. It is the ability to behave in the right way at the right time and to do the right thing at the right moment.

In interviews, Mother Teresa said she learnt to move seamlessly between the two extremes from her studies of Jesus. He displayed such extreme contrast in behaviour when he authoritatively removed illegal sellers from the temple premises with a whip. And yet just after that, he humbles himself to wash the feet of his followers.

From my personal research and observation of top leaders in action, including Jack Welch, I find that great leaders are a peculiar bunch – almost like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde when it comes to their leadership actions. They effortlessly move from opposite leadership traits with expertise.

Sun Tzu’s The Art of War says: “Benevolence and righteousness may be used to govern a state but cannot be used to administer an army. Expediency and flexibility are used in administrating an army, but cannot be used in governing a state.”

Sun Tzu understood that leadership was contextual and situational. Leadership “tricks” cannot be applied in government as to military as to business. Context matters.

Jack Welch always said leadership was all about 4Es: Energy, Energise, Edge and Execution. Jack lied. (He forgot to mention the other E – Extreme).

Welch is a classic example whose entire leadership legacy is based on swinging between extreme leadership traits. Having worked at General Electric for more than 12 years, I have personally seen Welch constantly switch between extremes.

He swung from staying macro, visionary and discussing strategy to instantaneously digging deep, asking questions that enable him to plough through the details of a situation. That’s what real leaders do swing from one extreme to another and be able to handle both extremes perfectly well.

Jack "Neutron" Welch

I have also seen Welch use authority and fear to drive home a point or to ensure that an action is taken but, at the same time, he also encouraged his employees to have ownership, engagement and empowered them to take action by themselves. This seems rather contradictory but it is really situational.

Welch knew when positional power was necessary to get things done and when to use influence to empower his employees. That’s the power of great leaders – the ability to use both extremes of leadership traits to the fullest extent.

Great leaders know when to abandon or quit a failed idea and when to pursue it until it succeeds. Many would say that Nelson Mandela’s greatest legacy as President of South Africa was the way he chose to leave it. Mandela could have been president for life (and he had good reason to do so) but he chose not to.

Nelson Mandela: Knowing when to Quit

Mandela knew that leaders lead as much by what they choose not to do as what they choose to do. Yet, he did not quit the fight in those 27 years he was in prison. He persevered. He knew when to quit and when not to.

Mahatma Gandhi led a fifth of humanity to independence in a leadership style that broke every political rule in the book. He took numerous beatings without a fight and readily accepted prison terms but, at the same time, he also mobilised a march against the British in the 240-mile Salt March and defied his colonial rulers by urging his fellow countrymen to burn their foreign-made clothing.

Gandhi was also wise enough to mobilise people from all walks of life to stand up for him.Yet, he took personal leadership to a different level by inflicting himself with pain and fasting. Here was a man who was the epitome of leadership – leveraging the power of “extreme leadership.”

So what does this mean for me? Can you become the next Gandhi, Welch, Mandela or Moyes? Of course you can!

Everton's David Moyes: Expertise and Execution

I met David Moyes, the manager of over-achieving football club Everton, and he mentioned how he learnt very early in his life the importance of decision-making and managing each situation differently. He said there is no formula for leadership. Leadership is about reading and reacting accordingly to every situation and knowing each is unique.

For example, if there is a decision that needs to be made, there are two ways to approach it: One, by using data and the other, by using intuition.

Great leaders know when to use what. Or managing your employees – should you use compliance or should you empower? Great leaders know when to employ a directive style or when empowering leadership is needed. They react to each situation according to its context.

Markus Buckingham in his book, First Break all the Rules, did research on thousands of leaders. He found that the greatest managers in the world seem to have little in common, differing in sex, age, and race and employing vastly different styles.

Yet, despite their differences, they share a common trait: They do not hesitate to break virtually every rule held sacred by conventional wisdom. And they break these rules because they understand that each situation faced is unique and requires leadership “flex”.

There is a time to be humble, yet there is a time to be assertive and take action. There is a time to ensure perfection, yet there is a time to go for speed and simplicity. There is a time to smile and a time to get serious. A time for discipline and a time for spontaneity.

Great leaders know the right time when to alternate between contrasting leadership traits. Decision-making based on context and situation lies at the heart of great leadership. So, you want to be a leader? Learn to be extreme. Leadership is, after all, an extreme thing.

Roshan Thiran is CEO of Leaderonomics, a social enterprise. You can hear him live every Monday at 1pm on his own radio show on BFM89.9. His dream is to see Malaysia produce its own Gandhi, Mother Teresa and, hopefully, a David Moyes to take Malaysian football out of its current state.

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22 thoughts on “Leadership is an Extreme Thing, says Roshan Tiran

  1. A leader is one who walks the talk??

    That would be suicidal, don’t you think? A leader is also a pragmatist. He talks of the walk and then walks of the walk he talks.

    How do you think ‘muddling through’ management get its name?

  2. Mother Teresa , a leader?

    I personally never saw her as a ‘leader’ in the modern sense of the word. I saw her as a person who loved much, was determined, resolute, confident in her relationship with God (even though she yearned for His Presence in later years) and knew nothing would stand in the way of righteousness. In fact her behavior towards the recalcitrant baker is found explicitly in the Gospel. She lived the way of Christ. Period. How many of us could have done the things she accomplished in her ‘miserable’ existence? Wearing cast off miserable ill fitting shoes, for decades? (Yet we do have all these shoe throwers, don’t we?) She is much more than leadership, she inspires Awe and Reverence. That is not leadership, but a calling that goes beyond personality. No, i would NOT take Mother Teresa as a role model for Leadership as her motives were not her own..

    It really depends how you define leadership.
    Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Abe Lincoln, Nelson Mandela, JFK, Deng Xiaoping, Mao Tse Tung and even Stalin or Hitler. And we will never run out of examples, depending on whether one wants to reflect on positive or negative leadership.

    ‘Good’ or Effective leaders also have innate skills to manipulate others to do their bidding. Some are indeed psychopaths. But in a sense Mr. Tiran is right about being able to switch to extremes. And then there is the enigma of “Charisma”, a very wooly sort of ability.

    You may ‘train’ someone, but you can never really succeed in making him/her one a Leader, if there is no internal resolve and will. I think that although such ‘Talks’ are interesting, they seldom change the way things are done fundamentally. I would rather employ a Change Management with an Organizational Psychologist and a Mediation/Conflict Resolution Consultant to help identify weaknesses in any organization.

    And yes, rightways, i have immediate family members who are all of these, but not Sinocentric – and who speak gobbledygook like me…

  3. Abnizar7,

    Be leader by working hard at it. The capacity to bounce back and learn from failure and operate at extremes can be developed. Leaders are made, not born.

    I disagree with Mongkut Bean. A leader is not a pragmatist; he is a realist, someone whose feet are always on the ground, and who acts on the basis of facts. On the other hand, a politician is a pragmatist, someone who will compromise on first principles.–Din Merican

  4. Leadership is an Extreme Thing, so says Roshan Tiran.

    Basically, leadership is both functional as well as situational. It has a broad base and a spectrum of purposes, objectives and needs. But the goal can only be one.

    The personalities quoted by Roshan are among the finest we can identify as exemplified and accomplished leaders. Let us not forget that we also have rogue leaders who apply a combination of different extremes as means to an end.

  5. …in some contexts, leaders were considered by others as terrorists and tyrants. The Vietnam War comes to mind.

    Vilified by the West, in particular the French and the Yanks, Ho Chi Minh and his military commanders, proved extremely successful in doing what they wanted and getting others to follow their dreams to see the nation out of the clutches of colonialism and imperialism. Were they leaders, or common thugs? Ask the Frenchies and Yanks, and their answers today will be different from what is in their history books.

    The same for folks like ben Laden. A small ragtag band running rings around the coalition. If they were lousy leaders, would people like him have survived? Especially in such a clannish and tribalist society like in the NW Frontier regions.

    The Prophet Mohammed is another example often overlooked. He knew context and timing. At Hudaibiyah he was willing to postpone his mission for a year when he knew his message was still raw to many and needed time to be palatable to his many enemies.

    Leadership is not the monopoly of tokoh korporats, like Welch, or politicians like Churchill. And it is never easy to identify the conditions that spawn leaders. We can talk till the cows come home and we will never get a handle on this elusive thing called leadership.

    So its nice to see energetic and jovial gurus prancing around pandering to our thirst for pinning down the unpinnable. Like the blind men and the elephant. Ultimately however, to rephrase the property pundits, its more about context, context, context.

  6. Countless leadership theory has been written and spoken by the countless management gurus, some said a leader is ‘born’, or/and ‘made”.

    I would say a leader is both born and made. A 21st century leader is different from ancient leader as new leader is driven by science, technology, systems and know-how.

    A leader can be trained provided he or she possesses common attributes of an ancient leader like Genghis Khan, one of the greatest leaders feared and recognized by the West. http://right-waystan.blogspot.com/2010/12/leadership-secrets-of-genghis-khan-one.html

    Steve Jobs of Apple Computer is an example of new leaders of our times …. Leadership, Why, how, what? How To Innovate Like Steve http://right-waystan.blogspot.com/2010/10/leadership-why-how-what.html

  7. Great post for a corporate seminar…I am also inspired. Thank you Dato.

    So in such situational & contextual environ, would apanama be a great ‘leader’ then? thousands if not millions feared/worshiped/cuss’d the ground apanama contaminated for 20+yrs…

    A ‘leader’ like apanama, can also at times, leave a lingering stench of corruption, rot and enmity towards all…but i digress.

  8. I was reading the Havard Business Review and one article speaks of introverted leaders versus extroverts. The researcher found that in the case of introverted leaders they were not threatened by their team of people who are extrovetrs whilst those who are extroverted were threatened by extroverts in their team. They also found in the study conducted that those who run the highest realm of Organisations are mostly extroverts, the CEO’s. However it says do not underestimate the introverted and quiet leader for he or she will encourage his or her team to go far and develop their individual strengths becasue the intorverted leaders are not threatened at all.

    Another article speaks of the correlation between guilt ridden persons and being extremely good leaders ,which has never been studied and thses people are also exemplary, model citizens because they always strive to do the right thing out of guilt.

  9. A leader must create great impacts to awaken the people he leads. Look at today’s China when the late revolutionary Chairman Mao declared to the world at Tiananmen Sq,: ‘ We have stood up from now, Oct 1, 1949’. Outsiders demonized him as threats to all. Is he a hero or zero?

  10. “I met David Moyes, the manager of over-achieving football club Everton”.

    Heh, heh, heh! I think the last time they ever won anything was the 1995 FA Cup and since then, nothing, and the Premier League, like never!

    Le Blues has always been poor 2nd cousins to Liverpool and Moyes is hanging on by his boot straps!

    dpp
    we are all of 1 race, the Human Race

  11. “..because they always strive to do the right thing out of guilt.” Kathy

    Interesting hypothesis.. Thanks, Kat. Will read that asap. I guess that’s what made JFK and Clinton such a good leaders. They were shagging away in the Oval office – but not their respective spouses. I also happen to think think ‘hate’, jealousy, greed etc also makes good leaders. Any human emotion that is in Mr Tiran’s words ‘Extreme’. Unfortunately, unconditional Love in the sense of ‘dying for others’, never makes a leader. That too is a truism – Darwinism revealed!

  12. Dato Din – I am a great fan of both you and Roshan. Leadership is the difference between good and great. Keep up your great blog. Thanks for sharing.

  13. Pleasure CLF. Happy to share what I find! Isnt it interesting the correlation. There you go, now we have to make sure all CEO’s might be better off being introverts and all future leaders be guilt ridden to be effective! Psyche test in order?

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