September 13, 2008
The arrests of MP Theresa Kok and journalist Tan Hoon Cheng under the ISA following that of blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin raise grave concern for Malaysians.
An endearing legacy of Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s leadership that we have come to appreciate is the openness albeit limited, that has come as a breath of fresh air after 2 decades of punitive control of the public sphere.
The arrests of the three individuals under the draconian law at a time when Malaysians have become more mature politically and less inclined to be baited by racial politics will no doubt further erode the legitimacy of and support for the ruling party, perhaps irrevocably.
Of no less import will be the repercussions to Malaysia’s reputation internationally, that time and again the ruling party resorts to an unjust and antiquated piece of legislation to silence dissent in order to sustain her cling to power.
It is clear to all that the arrests of MP Theresa Kok and journalist Tan Hoon Cheng are completely without justification. Tan was merely doing her job as a journalist and UMNO has undertaken the appropriate measures, including an apology from its deputy president. In the “Puchong Azan Issue”, MP Theresa Kok was arrested over what is clearly a false allegation. We urge the authorities to immediately release the two and bring to book those responsible for fomenting racial and religious hatred.
It cannot be completely denied that Raja Petra Kamarudin in his writings and those who contribute to his blog have expressed views that many Muslims consider as denigrating the prophet and the religion of Islam. However we believe this can be countered by sound arguments based on well accepted teachings and sources of Islam. In the extreme, the authorities may take him to the Syariah court. The use of the ISA is excessive, inhumane and runs counter to Islam’s principles of justice.
In this blessed month of Ramadhan, we urge the authorities to act justly in carrying out their responsibility of maintaining the peace and security of the country. We also urge everyone in the public sphere to exercise restraint and wisdom in discussing issues of race and religion.
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Muslim Professionals Forum:
Dr. Mazeni Alwi
Dr. Shaikh Johari Bux
Haji Mohamed Ali Ghazali
Dato’ Dr. Musa Mohd. Nordin
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Din Merican: the Malaysian DJ Blogger 
“The use of the ISA is excessive, inhumane …”
I have always thought that RPK seems to have a death wish of some kind because of the many warnings he received and his persistence in engaging in the same line of argument with reckless disregard for the law – laws like the law of defamation. For that he would have to face the consequences of his actions. We cannot play by double standards i.e. on one hand we say we need a return to the rule of law and on the other hand we seem to want to excuse someone who has broken the law – allegedly, of course.
Their only interest in applying laws such as the ISA is in the absence of legal safeguards. The right to due process which is a constitutional right is denied anyone arrested under this law. The legal burden of proof is reversed and sits instead on the shoulders not of the party who alleges but those alleged to have committed the crime. What is worse is that the party alleged to have committed the wrong has to discharge his or her burden without ever seeing the state’s evidence!
Nobody is saying that RPK is completely innocent but at least give him his constitutional right of due process. Have him charged for crimes he allegedly committed and allow him bail so he could prepare for the state’s case against him. Give him the same rights enjoyed by murderers and thieves. Is that too much to ask?
Obviously it is! There is another agenda.
Tell me, Mr. Bean who is practising double standards? RPK’s sources are impeccable. If it is defamation, then people like Najib, Rosmah and others should sue him in our courts. In stead, the government got him under ISA.
On the basis on what the government has been doing all these years, those in power seem to act with impunity. Why has no action been taken against UMNO leaders? Mahathir seems to get away with his racist remarks of late. As far as I am concerned, the Rule of Law in Malaysia is all screwed up. Please explain, smart lawyer.—Din Merican
“As far as I am concerned, the Rule of Law in Malaysia is all screwed up. Please explain, smart lawyer.—Din Merican
You cannot screw the rule of law but you can screw the institutions essential for a rule of law to exist,
__________
Sorry pal, semantics again. Rule of Law first, institutions are created to give life to the Rule of Law. When you manipulate institutions to implement the Rule of Law for political ends or other purposes, you screw up the Rule of Law, but ah…the QC knows better.—Din Merican
” If it is defamation, then people like Najib, Rosmah and others should sue him in our courts” Din Merican
They should! Why haven’t they done so is obvious. Lots of dirty linen to wash in public.
What the prosecutor has charged him with is criminal defamation. It is harder for the Public Prosecutor to prove criminal defamation than it is for Najib and wife as Plaintiffs in a civil action to prove civil defamation because of the different standards of proof involved. The criminal standard of proof is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ as opposed to the lower standard of proof in all civil cases which is ‘on the balance of probabilities’.
These people want to put RPK out of circulation for a period of time and see what happens. Also when his defamation case comes he would be ill prepared since he would not have the same kind of access to counsel the way he’d have if he were a free man.
“Tell me, Mr. Bean who is practising double standards? RPK’s sources are impeccable. ” Din Merican
The government – and those who seem to want to excuse RPK from blame.
Don’t get me wrong! I’m with RPK as far as freedom of speech is concerned. We all are. What got RPK into trouble is not so much the freedom of speech but the contents of that speech! His reckless disregard for the law is what got him. What good is he to the rest of us now that he is detained indefinitely??
You say his sources are “impeccable” . Well the rest of us don’t know that. I don’t know that. I’m not challenging the veracity of the evidence that he says he has – and I’m not casting aspersions on his character by saying that I do not know. Lawyers don’t decide the guilt of the accused. The court does.
To the members of Muslim Professional Forum, I salute you.
I salute you for the stand you are making, standing side by side with the just.
I salute you for your voice.
I salute you for your support in one of our darkest hours of despair.
We must right the wrong.
The time has come for RAKYAT to stand united and snatch our beloved motherland from the jaws of annihilation and destruction.
“Why has no action been taken against UMNO leaders? Mahathir seems to get away…” Din Merican
Yes, why??
There isn’t the same respect for the law as there is over here. Malaysia’s judiciary functions as an appendage to the executive branch and has lost enough of its credibility to become the butt of jokes of not only Malaysians but of lawyers everywhere.
Mahathir and his ilk, just like Dollah and his ilk, are immune or above the law – at least for now. Soon they will be out of reach from the long arm of the law. Through abuse of power and the threat of selective prosecution, they managed to silence their critics.
The country’s top prosecutor sits on his ass all the day until he is told to move. When he does he acts more like an instrument of oppression than of justice.
You escape from being charged with sedition when you are defending UMNO and its policies but fall foul of the law of sedition when you criticise UMNO and its policies. That is not new. It only became glaringly so only recently.
So what do we do?? Make more donuts and knead more buns? 🙂
TO THE BOARD OF MUSLIM PROFESSIONALS,
I salute you for your clear, unbiased, rational, and balanced stand. I am proud that there are muslims whom we Malaysians can look up to in these troubling times.
Mr. Bean,
Could you further elaborate how the content of RPK’s article shows reckless disregard to the laws.
RPK has his source of information, and he put forward his analysis. It is up to us to believe or not based on our own judgment. Furthermore such investigative journalism is much needed in this nation when state institutions such as police and judiciary are badly malfunctioning.
How could putting up articles without any resort to violence constitute reckless disregard to the laws?
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I found something of interest on Tehsin’s blog, the statement from the Masjid that Teresa Kok “allegedly” tried to stop from broadcasting the azan on loudspeakers. Seems like our suspicions of Khir Toyo having his fishy dirty hands in it is not unfounded.
http://tehsinalwaysbetter.blogspot.com/2008/09/tangkap-sitoyol.html
“Could you further elaborate how the content of RPK’s article shows reckless disregard to the laws. “ shiou
If you’re referring to this article “Let’s send Altantuya’s murderers to Hell”
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/6604/84/
“It seems the Affidavit also reveals that Altantuya was camped outside Razak’s house and this caused him to panic. He then went running to Najib, and Rosmah summoned Najib’s ADC, Musa Safri, and instructed him to solve Razak’s problem. Musa then summoned the two police officers currently on trial. So, it appears like Razak and the two police officers are not the only ones involved. Najib, Rosmah and Musa have also been implicated in this entire thing. And why the need for the police officer to declare that he had already killed six people before this if murder was not what was on everyone’s mind?”
I find nothing defamatory here.
But RPK did make a sworn statement, a statutory declaration, didn’t he? He adopted what was told to him by unnamed sources (?) as being his own(?) and true. That apparently could have exposed him to allegations of slander, libel and defamation – and sedition(?). I don’t know the contents of this statutory declaration.
When I said RPK has a reckless disregard for the law, I’m referring to his habitual use of hearsay as substitute for the truth, his reliance on hearsay to make his point, his use of hearsay as talking points probably in an attempt to increase readership for his blog. I believe his focus is on entertainment rather than serious journalism. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe he expects visitors to his blog to take everything he writes with bucketfuls of salt and separate the truth from fiction themselves. Their failure to do so is their fault and not his.
Is it surprising at all that many of his readers visit his blog to find out what is the latest in the grapevine? I do. Where truth stops and gossip begins is something he leaves it to his readers.
However, I believe he knows there is a line he should not cross. He is not stupid. Whether he did cross the line in this particular case is the subject of the charge and for the court to decide.
I do not know enough to say that he did cross the line in this case for him to be charged with criminal defamation. Criminal defamation, in any event, is not easy to prove. But if he did I’m not surprised because I think he has a careless disregard for the truth and his near contempt for lawyers suggests to me that he has a reckless disregard for the law as well. It is understandable because the guy suffered a lot as a result of the abuse of the law and the legal process.
That having been said, based on the little that I know, I believe the government has no case against him in criminal defamation. I do not know about sedition though. My opinion on both counts, however, is not relevant to prove the truth. 🙂
“Tell me, Mr. Bean who is practising double standards? RPK’s sources are impeccable. ” Din Merican
I tend to agree with Bean in this instance. There were times when RPK’s statements were taken out of context. He wrote about the Bersih rally in KL where armoured vehicles were sighted attributing it to an Agong’s directive who being the supreme commander of the armed forces had deployed the armoured regiment to counter any moves by he Police to act on the protesters. I had verified this with my friends in Mindef and they told me something else. The armoured vehicles were deployed to KL in anticipation of a need to assist the Police. The vehicles were there to quell the protesters not to support them.
In time like this when the mainstream media are so unreliable resorting to rumours is the rule of the day. We all like a good story where the ending is to our liking.
“When you manipulate institutions to implement the Rule of Law for political ends or other purposes, you screw up the Rule of Law, but ah…the QC knows better”—Din Merican
I think we could agree that certain preconditions must exist before there could be a rule of law.
One of those is an independent judiciary – the third pillar of government. But having an independent judiciary is not enough. An efficient court system is another. Judges would have to be appointed along bipartisan lines, based among other things on their judicial philosophy and not based on their political affiliations. Lawyers are also officers of the court and it is important that as members of the legal fraternity they live up to their strict training and uphold the values of their profession.
It is not semantics. Here’s why. You can have an independent judiciary and yet not have a rule of law. But you cannot have a rule of law without an independent judiciary.
As a non Muslim, I am indebted to RPK for educating me on how beautiful Islam could be when its more profound truths are practiced. Instead of the wild-eyed sterotype Muslim of the Western press, RPK taught me the strong emphasis on truth, justice, fairness that it teaches. So I am shocked when he is accused of being the blasphemous Muslim of the worst kind. Between the Islam practiced by the government leaders and that practiced by RPK, no right thinking person could beleive that the former is superior to the latter.
Is Malaysia mature enough like Mozambigue where political parties that are based on tribe or religion are not allowed? In Malaysia we have seen and are still seeing how dirty politicians play up race and religion for their selfish greed for money and power. Can we follow Mozambigues’s example? Can Malaysians not call for all political parties that are based on race and religion to open up their membership to all Malaysians.
I love Malaysia!
Theresa Kok is innocent and I believe that even the Minister of Home Affairs knows that.
But arresting her for being “against Islam” can hopefully cause many Muslims to think that DAP is really against Islam and should not be allowed to form part of any government.
And if UMNO succeeds in creating this negative image, then PR will lose support.
Shit Aba said that idiot Ahmad mamak is Umno member, therefore
only the party can punished him. And the party had suspend his membership
for 3 years, which is severe to him. Therefore, no need to arrest/trial him under Malaysian Law.
I would like to ask all out there, does his statement subject to contempt of
Malaysia Law? ? cause.. by given that statement as an official minister, he is
telling the world, that Umno member are beyond/immune from Malaysia Law and that the Malaysia Law only apply to the rest of the Malaysian. Can we take any legal action against him for this statement??? I guess No, As he already said that he is beyond the Malaysia Law!! What the shit!!
ISA is an outdated law inherited from the Mat Salleh and shud be discarded and repealed.The point here is the 3 of them shud not be charged under ISA.If they had broken the law they shud be charegd in court. This is what majority of law abiding citizens want.These are end times for the corrupt gomen. May not happen in 916 but soon in the not too distant future.It is written in the stars.May the force be with us.
RPK’s writings had not created any racial or religious tensions in Malaysia. Many
malay muslims aren’t even aware of his writings to begin with. The only tension is in
UMNOville and the only threat to peace the subsequent disintergration of Malaysia is
and was always UMNO.
the toyo’s son, x-mb of selangor should be arrested and dumped into the ISA cell, not theresa. and the utusan meloya’s stupid-journalist too should be detained and put in the darkside of bukit aman jail. the racist daily i.e. utusan malay(sia) should be given surat amaran by kdn, not to SIN CHEW, THE SUN or SUARA KEADILAN.
utusan malay(sia) sudah lama memainkan isu/sentimen perkauman. apakah polis raja dimalaysia begitu BODOH, DANGKAL atau tidak membaca perkembangan berita semasa termasuk daripada internet? bukankah ketiga-tiga masjid yang kononnya mahu dihalang azan oleh yb teresa (difitnah oleh anak toyo) menafikan berita anak toyo(l) itu?
Bean,
I am not a lawyer but you are. You say that RPK has reckless disregard for law. Which law are you talking about? You live in the US assuming that a journalist has information about Barrack’s secret life shame. Though it may be hearsay, wouldn’t it be front page for his newspapers? The probably Barrack would sue the newspapers for false information or something. The newspapers and the journalist would have to defend their source of information. So at least both sides defend what is truth and let the jury of the court decide. Where else in RPK’s case, he is in ISA, how is he to defend himself? I don’t know what wrong has he done. My opinion of RPK is that he is brave enough to speak about issues where the powers that be feels its taboo and use this issues negatively for cheap publicity.
I am a non muslim and i have learn to appreciate and respect Islam through RPK’s writing.
Like i said i am not a lawyer so i really don’t know what law he broke. To me the powers that be are just afraid of him and because they have power to abuse power is the reason why he is in ISA.
Just my opinion.
The Simple Man
I have a new title for umno cabinet members. for acting like morons and retards,
YANG BERMORON
YANG BERRETARD
YANG BERDUMBER
YANG BERGILA2
YANG BERTAUBATLAH
YANG BERKUTU
YANG BERPUTAR-BELIT
YANG BERKRONY
YANG BANKRUPT
YANG BODOH
YANG BEREPEK
YANG BERKURAP aka kucing kurap
YANG BERKUMAN
YANG BANYAK-KOTOR
YANG BERKORRUPSI
Yang berSCUM-BAGS
AND LAST AND NOT LEAST
YANG BLUR
So the next time you call them YB, DON’T FORGET THESE TITLES.
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Muslim Professionals Forum:
Dr. Mazeni Alwi
Dr. Shaikh Johari Bux
Haji Mohamed Ali Ghazali
Dato’ Dr. Musa Mohd. Nordin
A BIG thank you to the above, for your support, your fair judgement, your open mind, and you have stood up to the plate. Please continue to support and correct the awful situation created by the government. The fair Malaysians like yourselves need this kind of support to make it a better MALAYSIA of the future. During this time at Ramadhan, your good deed will be rewarded to your and your families in generations to come.
We are all Malaysian regardless of race & religion, what we cannot tolerate is act of injustice towards fellow Malaysian…
Voice from the Street
Thursday, September 4, 2008
The begining of end mahatir’s legacy
The beginning of the end of mahatir ‘s legacy and his brand of unmo .the result of permatang puah but the final nail to its coffin yet this old man never shut his mouth.He has so much Vernon in him each time he fight is more maybe all the good ofHim has turn into this but why dsai what he did u so bad u are picking on him it looks like u have made up with Pa Dollah after the by election. U have repaid him for his royalty in you style .he cannot stand as your no, 2 when u sodomise this nation the to The maximum yet u falsely fabricated him tell the world he is a sodomiser. But now you are jealous of his raise from ashes all him. All of you wrote him off When he comes out from spending six years in prison all because of u and you’re fabricated charges .you are jealous because he had created history in this country guiding the voters that unmo and partner can be thrown out u got sacred then u whispered to najib to recycle you’re sodomy 2 .what happen after that is history making 2 .NOW U ARE MORE SACRED u are sending signal to PAK LAH to Makeup with him, but too late The people u sodomise for last 22years has open their eyes u cannot drug them anymoreYou’re brand of racially divide and rule is finish as like u re days of ripping off this great nation ours… Now you are at dead end the person whom you forced Pak Dolah to as his deputyWas totally rejected by the voters he has became a burden to PAK DOLLAH…and you are no more in umno . all this is gods wish like you’re slip off tongue a when you’re are forced resign you’re presidency of unmo and you’re prime mastership now you are asking god to stop dsai but god is always with good people not evils like you. You said that there are others to offer better money to BNMPS.. dsai never offered money . Now I remember the guy who made peace between u and KU LI to bury his semagat46. I understand he is holding in trust you’re ill-gotten wealth .are u planning to use this black money to buy over go ahead find a proxy to do this for u whatever u do it will be on dsai terms only. the thing u get is to topple the government that u left . U sees how god is playing with. I appeal to all right thinking members of house you were given the mandate by the people…It is pay time you cannot miss this great chance in history making lets not play politics of end justify the means. let us think this great nation of ours with one vision with one Malaysian race and take to great developed nation .you don’t have cross over be what u are u cannot change them but u can chase them this my wish on the of our independence day.
Give our children the meaning of REAL INDEPENDENCE.
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To the members of Muslim Professional Forum, thank you very much for your voice of conscience and we need more of people like you because it will be people like you who will take Malaysia many steps forward and upward.
Malaysia can achieve that but malaysians must change and that change must be initiated through conscientious effort on the part of leaders.
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The next person in my race who still can’t understand why muslim and malay can clearly see the line between right/wrong is going to get his/her butt kicked real hard by me.
For many years i thought to myself, unless this older generation of chinese/indians and malay pass away, the racist sentiments will always be around, they are just too “brainwashed” by the gov to think straight.
God is great, how wrong can i be. RPK is one solid example and now look at this press release by the Muslims professional.
In unity we stand and Daulat Tuanku.
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Bean, I agree with simple man. Don’t judge RPK unjustly. You may have to answer to your Maker!
RPK is trying to make the govt understand and remedy its mistakes in adminstration. I admire RPK for whatever methods, stunts, tricks etc…… he has used knowing full well that this govt would use the draconian law, the ISA (which has been abolished by its founding fathers) on him. RPK was prepared for it and it is the acid test for the govt. If this govt survives then we can savely say RPK is wrong. So until then we cannot judge RPK, our mentor and maha atma!
Barbaric caveman has come a long way through trial and error in application of the law. The law of yesteryears may look ridiculous today. For all you know RPK may have started the ball rolling for Malaysians to use their heads.
Please read what happened between Galilei Galileo and the clergy! What happened then is seen ridiculous today!
Lastly, RPK did not attack you or me, he attacked govt policy! So let the govt prove RPK is wrong but in a more professional way! The ISA is not the way.
I sum up thus. RPK is one soul amongst all of us who had dared to get his fingers burned. He must have immense spiritual strength to take a whole govt to task!
I thought you guys were a bunch of “whatever”
Now I RESPECT YOU ALL.
If you are free to talk, Iam free to listen.
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You are the Towering Malays.
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I salute all of you.
To the Board of Directors, Muslim Professionals Forum,
I applaud your stand on these issues. You have shown strength, courage, responsibility and maturity of thought when some irresponsible parties are trying to stir up issues of hatred on the basis of race and religion, to achieve their own political ends.
Being a non-Muslim, I am proud to walk beside my fellow Malaysians such as you, in our endeavour for a better Malaysia. Race based politics MUST end now, today, to preserve our beloved country’s legacy for our future generation.
My wish is for more Muslim groups in Malaysia to come out to publicly declare and state their stand against such injustice (the current ISA detentions) which has no place in Islam. This is Ramadan, a Holy Month. Not only must we do things right, we must also be seen to do the right thing.
A million words by non-Muslims will not carry much weight to the current Government and Politicians whose intent is clearly to manipulate us Malaysians.
It is words and stands by Muslims themselves that can debunk this malicious insinuation by our own Government and Politicians. Once again, other fellow Malaysians are waiting for, and urging our responsible Muslim citizens of Malaysia to step forward and tell our Politicians that they shall not, and are unwilling to become pawns in this dangerous game to promote religious hatred in Malaysia.
This is a great opportunity by you, my fellow Malaysians, to send a strong message to our Politicians that you reject their wicked attempt to pervert your revered religion, Islam, to manipulate the Rakyat.
The goodwill of all non-Muslim Malaysians rests upon your actions.
Peace be upon YOU,
XEQ.
Nice argument, good plots, and beautiful speeches, but what is lacking behind the mountains of theory is ‘ACTION.’
Go and rescue those in distress, the jail birds of ISA, then I’ll salute you !!
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