Netto comments on the Mansor Matter


August 24, 2012

Netto comments on the Mansor Matter

by Terence Netto@http://www.malaysiakini.com

COMMENT: Next time there is a PKR meeting on strategising for the general election, attendees will have to be electronically vetted for recording devices. Otherwise what some participants might say about assorted others from the Pakatan Rakyat fraternity may wend its way into blogs and cause a lot of red faces as a consequence.

Then what the French philosopher Blaise Pascal held to be a maxim about interpersonal relations – “I lay it down as a fact that if all men knew what others say about them, there would not be four friends in the world” – would be confirmed as indisputable truth.

mansor othman 300909Later this morning at a press conference in Komtar, Deputy Chief Minister Dato’ Mansor Othman, the PKR State Chief, in the presence of DAP Secretary-General Lim Guan Eng, would in all probability attempt to disavow disparaging remarks he reportedly made about the Penang Chief Minister at a party strategy meeting in March.

A recording of the remarks was uploaded in June on an obscure website (there is an anarchic plethora of them these days even dedicated netizens find it difficult to keep track) where the potentially embarrassing stuff lay, like a predator undetected among its prey, until disgruntled elements in PKR called attention to it and, as a result, have now succeeded in causing a furore that Mansor, with help from Lim, would have to struggle to tamp down.

How much is this highly avoidable incident due to politics – which, even at its least deplorable, is practice to deceive – and how much due to the cussedness of human nature – against which even the precaution of electronic safeguards would not be sufficient insulation – is the question?

Who did it?

To strip a convoluted story to its bare – and motive comprehending – essentials, one has to go back to the strategy meeting between Chinese leaders in Penang PKR and Dato’ Mansor that was held in March.

One of the attendees was a person already nursing a grievance against the DCM1 which led him to surreptitiously record what was said at the meeting on tape and keep it for strategic deployment later.

NONEPart of the reason for holding the meeting was to allay the fears of the Chinese leaders in PKR that should Sim Tze Tzin (right), PKR state assemblyman from the Chinese-majority seat of Pantai Jerejak, be chosen to contest the parliamentary constituency of Bayan Baru, occupied by Zahrain Mohd Hashim who defected to the independent benches, Sim’s seat would not be given, as bruited about, to a PKR Malay to contest.

Chinese PKR leaders, sensitive to the DAP Chinese perception of them as unduly subservient to Malays, would be apt to view a PKR decision to allow a Malay to contest in Pantai Jerejak as fodder for the derogatory view of them held by their counterparts in the DAP.

At the meeting, Dato’ Mansor had to wrestle with these perceptions, which perhaps were what led to a desire to overcompensate by taking PKR frustrations out on Lim in front of a group of people who see the Penang Chief Minister as the epitome of what they dislike in the DAP – ethnic chauvinism.

When in June the list of PKR candidates for the election was finalised, one or two incumbent legislators found that their names were excluded. It is speculated that the excluded, apprised of the existence of the tape, sought to discharge their rancour at being dropped by persuading the recorder to upload the material on a little known blog (they did not go to the stridently anti-Lim Guan Eng blogs because they feared exposing their identities) where it lay unheralded until another of PKR’s malcontents decided to post a flaming red siren on it.

This led to the tape’s entry into the glare of media publicity where something that was potentially bothersome but latent is magnified into a full-blown controversy.

Mansor may not continue as DCM

The upshot is this morning’s press conference where Mansor would have to go through the motions of disavowal and contrition and Lim would play the role of magnanimous skipper of the Pakatan ship of state by accepting the proffer and hinting that all’s well that publicly comports to be well.

The ultimate result would be that after the general elections, Mansor cannot be Deputy Chief Minister because that would constitute an unwarranted affront to the DAP. This would almost certainly mean that he will be tapped for the parliamentary constituency of Nibong Tebal, occupied by Tan Tee Beng, formerly, like Zahrain, of PKR and now of the BN-supporting independent group in the Lower House.

mansor othman 300909Come to think of it, this would be a good finish to the whole contretemps because Dato’ Mansor, nice man though, is not a leader.

He is a good engine room man, strong on research and backing up the front pack, which was what he was when he was an academic in Universiti Sains Malaysia where he did good work for Anwar Ibrahim, which prompted the latter to make him his political secretary in the last years before Dr Mahathir Mohamad executed his decapitation in 1998 that was the trigger to all that is happening today.

Talk of unintended consequences, politics is rife with it – not all of which, mercifully, is bad.

19 thoughts on “Netto comments on the Mansor Matter

  1. I think bodoh Chot deserves to be booted out as DCM1. He is a lousy leader and poor politician. Anwar, however, is impressed with this fella. It doesn’t speak well of PKR. A good man like Malik Abul Kassim who works hard and enjoys the confidence of the Chief Minister is sidelined. Privately, Anwar thinks Malik is too close to DAP. Isn’t that typical of Anwar when it comes to politics.

    The two DCM1s from PKR, Fairus and Mansor, are poor choices. The job should have been given to Malik from the outset. That did not happen because Anwar does not like Malik.

  2. It got worse when Mansor at the disavowal press conference today said gelaran ‘tokong’ untuk ‘sanjung’ Guan Eng. I fell off my chair and ROTFL.
    Adoi!

  3. I believe you are right about Abdul malik. He’s one good mamas unlike mahathir. Perhaps, malik will cross over to dap. Just sink pkr in Penang.

  4. Dear Ahmadi,Malek for for me as my business manager before he join politic and contest in the election.I dont think he is a good candidate for DCM due to his acedamic backround and political exposure.

  5. ” …. and hinting that all’s well that publicly comports to be well”

    ” And yes, “All’s well that ends well”- a lesser known play by Shakespeare. Also the favorite expression of our beloved first Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj.

  6. In Malay talks, Wali ALLAH, Ustaz, Tok Sheikh and the likes (“tokong” to Chinese) do refer to people we respect.

    So what the fuss? Unless we want PAKATAN to break up…Just move on!

  7. Hamid,
    We need technocrats such as khalid. See Singaporean second generation leaders are technocrats & Singapore become strong. Perhaps anwar has chosen the wrong guru, if anwar’s guru is lee kuan yew. Hehehe

  8. Bean,
    Hope that’s the case. Perhaps it’s time for pkr to reflect their past actions. Tactics such as these for preservation of seats should be abandoned.

    Halim,
    Pkr folks should heed anwars advice. Talk less & do more.

  9. Bean,
    Just to bring you to the attention on the comment that I made in response to you in double sentencing.
    I disagree on bringing back trial by jury of peers. My mum may agree with you. Hahaha, she kinda loves to be jury. Hmmm..,… My
    Mum should start a blog on her experience as juror in makamah tinggi ipoh
    Just like flying an aeroplane, though pilots make mistake. You still need the competency of 2 pilots to fly the plane. You can’t have 12 pilots deciding which direction the plane to go.

  10. “Bean, just to bring you to the attention on the comment that I made in response to you in double sentencing.
    I disagree on bringing back trial by jury of peers” — looes74

    Like I said. We live in communities and we have laws made to safeguard the interest of the community we live in. The community we live in defines the values we live by. What better way then to have members of the community we live in decide if we have transgressed those values (read: law). That right to be judged by members of our peer has found its way into the country’s Constitution.

    In jurisdictions following English common law (like the U.S.) you have the right to choose a trial by jury or by judge sitting alone. You have the right to a speedy trial by jury: Fifth Amendment U.S. Constitution.

    The downside of a trial by judge alone is that you are likely to have stiffer sentences as the judge is trained in the law and is more prosecution oriented. Jurors are ordinary folks chosen from a pool of prospective jurors from citizens whose names appear on the electoral roll, vetted by both counsel and chosen according to strict rules laid down by the courts. Usually a judge would not be present.

    The reason why the jury system has been abolished no longer applies forty years later today. Malaysians are more educated today and the pool from which jurors could be chosen has widened. More are conversant in English and Malay.

    Yes. In some cases jury trials could lead to a miscarriage of justice. And in some jurisdictions the trial judge can overrule the jury over sentencing. Whatever judicial system we follow adversarial or inquisitorial, jury trials or non-jury trials by judge sitting alone, the system is not perfect. Sometimes criminals walk free and sometimes the innocent found guilty and executed. Sometimes exculpatory evidence was not disclosed by the police and prisoners walk free ten years later richer by tens of millions of dollars paid for by taxpayers. It is not because they did not do the crime but because of the emergence of reasonable doubt. Double jeopardy prevents a re-trial.

  11. “Sorry bean, I am no law expert. Trial by jury of the peers. If the felon is an illiterate, you must have 12 illiterate juries izzit. My mum has taken up jury services before. Mind you, it’s tough to be holed in a hotel without any news to read. Mass media, papers even blog. People get so tiring that at times, they will settle for anything. What if the jury is a businessman, how do you justify his compensation” — looes74

    Jury duty is compulsory if you are qualified. Jurors are selected from the electoral roll at random to appear for vetting by both counsel. If you fail to appear you will be found guilty of contempt and jailed. Over here you are paid a nominal sum per hour and you will take as long as required in your deliberations. Verdict in murder trials must be unanimous or declared a mis-trial and a new trial ordered. A minimum of six jurors is needed or a maximum of twelve.

    Yes. Jurors are sequestered and have no contact with the outside world. No TV. No newspapers to read. Any contact means a new trial by different jurors.

    You know of a better system?

  12. What is this Netto up to? This proves that Netto is a paid writer for Anwar and PKR. He is not an independent journalist that he claims to be. Mr. Bean, what can you say about such a person? Would you recommend to our bloghost that he should not post his articles here? Read this:

    LGE, Mansor shake off effects of teacup tempest
    Terence Netto
    7:11PM Aug 25, 2012

    A day after nerves were rendered taut in the DAP-PKR relationship stemming from the contents of a surreptitiously recorded meeting that purported to show Deputy Chief Minister Mansor Othman deriding Lim Guan Eng, the two principals were able to relax in congenial company.

    The latter was provided by Abdul Malek Abul Kassim, the PKR state executive councilor whose Aidilfitri open house in Batu Maung, Penang, saw Chief Minister Lim and deputy Mansor drop in to celebrate the occasion.

    All the tension of the previous two days when the purported contents of the recorded meeting were ventilated – to Mansor’s acute chagrin – dissipated in the glow of the welcome rendered the two VIP invitees at Malek’s open house.

    Mansor made a beeline for where Lim was seated and the latter, an early arrival at Malek’s open house, held out a warm greeting to the DCM.

    The two who have not been known to have any strong disagreements in the 38 months that Mansor has been DCM got down quickly to exchanging notes and small talk.

    Fraught with tension

    Mansor had been visibly fraught with tension the past couple of days as the effects of the alleged remarks he made at the PKR meeting reverberated across the ruling state coalition.

    It is understood Lim felt that Mansor had been more sinned against than sinning in the entire contretemps while Mansor, incredulous at the treachery implied by the act of recording the meeting and then uploading it, is crestfallen that someone from within the state PKR circles could attempt to do him in.

    However, at Malek Kassim’s open house, both a benign CM and a rebounding DCM were out to prove that the entire episode is only a tempest in a teacup, with no lasting effects on their personal relationship and that between their parties.

  13. This blog presents a diversity of well considered and informed views for our intelligent readers and commenters. So Ahmadi Hussein, there is no way I will not post Netto’s pieces. I am sure Bean agrees. By all means, you can criticise Netto, but I will not deny him space on this blog.–Din Merican

  14. My problem with Nett-0 as a writer is that he’s too much in love with the sound of his voice to care whether his message is getting through to his targetted audience. He really should write like Dato – succinct, to the point and none of the poetic language. I find his style off-putting and distracting, more suited if at all to literary journals. None of the flow you would expect of a journalist and contributor. I wish he would cut on the verbosity. I would stop reading after the first para.

    But whether to post Netto’s articles as contributor to Malaysiakini on this blog is up to Dato as bloghost. I don’t think you Ahmadi Hussein meant to question the right of the bloghost to publish anything.

  15. Bloggers today have Sec. 114A of the Evidence Act breathing down their necks. If anything advocates of Sec. 114A who are out to put bloggers on the hot seat have no choice but give Netto’s articles a pass because they cannot understand what Netto writes to care.

  16. Bean suk,
    Like the Salem witch hunt case Nong Nong time ago. Constitution can be changed for the sake of the nation at large. Doesn’t have to be trial by juries of the peer.
    Not sure trial by juries can be that speedy. Again me no law expert. Read some John Grisham books. One of them is the runaway jury.
    Hehehe, never heard of not having judges present in the court hearing. I disagree with your notion that judges can be very punitive in sentencing. If the prosecuting lawyer can influences juries so well, the juries can place stiff penalties towards the convicted fella. Likewise if the defence, such as David Saul Marshall so bloody good, criminals can walk out free. Lee kuan yew argued in great length why trial by juries not workable. Perhaps, you can challenge the grand old man of Singapore. I agree with lee.
    Precisely when juries are paid at nominal fee, temptation of bribery may be there. Plus people may try all sorts of reasons avoiding it. One of them is sole proprietor. Mum told me about vetting by both sides. Fun listening on the autopsy reports. Hehe, actually wanna be doctor but ended up being an engineer.

    Bean,
    Better way would be having independent minded judges. Following the British styles, judges have their own way of selection. Ensure to be independent, untainted. Follow Singapore way of compensation. Pay them very very well. You know how much chief justice is paid in singapore. At least 1 million a year. Have 2 or 3 judges for serious case. Voila. Let the real professionals to do the job

  17. The DAP and its staunch supporters mainly Chinese Malaysians may just get carried away with the perception of how a wonderful job LGE is doing in administeering Penang State only to wake up post GE13 to realise the Malays in 10 other Malayan colonies where they are in the majority have had enough of over zelous ethnic Chinese showmanship reverting fully to the status quo…

  18. Guys,
    Here is Terence Netto’s response to Ahmadi Hussein’s comment (received via e-mail) :

    “Ahmadi Hussein ought by now to tire of his hoary old charge against me — that I’m a paid Anwar Ibrahim-supporting journalistic hack.He uses the latest news story I wrote for Malaysiakini to impugn my motives. I happened to be at the open house of State Executive Councillor Abdul Malek Abul Kassim where I saw how chummy Lim Guan Eng was with Mansor Othman and wrote about it accordingly.

    If the Seberang Perai-residing Ahmadi had accepted my long ago-extended invitation to tea, perhaps he would know by now the difference between a comment piece and a news story. The comment piece I wrote just before Malaysiakini posted my news story had a tenor seemingly at odds with my latest piece; but one is a commentary — which has to try to grasp and take note of underlying currents — and the other is a news story — which has to make do with the fleeting and the fragmentary. In essence, the two forms are different and so to say, as Ahmadi does, that I have been inconsistent is to mistake the woods for the trees.

    Ahmadi can sometimes sound meaner than I suspect he really is. He urges Din Merican to stop using my pieces on the latter’s blog for reason of my apparent shifty and mercenary ways. Me thinks this frequent respondent to Din Merican’s blog postings does go on a bit, imputing motives rather than vetting content, chasing shadows rather than scrutinising substance.

    By that Ahmadi appears to exemplify what Hegel called ‘negative activity’ — a fanaticism of the abstract (that there could be independent journalists in conditions as obtain in Malaysia) that assaults the actual (there are journalists paid by political patrons who nevertheless preserve a certain degree of objectivity) without having in mind any practical plans for improving the actual (under the UMNO-BN government, there is no possibility of independent journalism). In politics, such ‘negative activity’ by the Ahmadis of this world always ends up serving a private motive: preservation of the status quo.

    I may be an Anwar-leaning journalistic hack but there’s no mistaking who Ahmadi is. He is a rank obscurantist.
    ________________
    Thanks, Terence for your intervention. You have my assurances that your articles are welcome on my blog.Keep up your good work, and I know you understand that there are “rank obscurantists” in the cyber-world. But Ahmadi is the mildest of them.–Din Merican

  19. Thank you, Mr Netto for your comment. Search yourself as you alone know what your real motives are. I can only judge you by what you write. I saw a difference between your two articles and reacted accordingly. At least you are honest enough to admit you are an “Anwar-leaning journalistic hack”. Never realised that I am an obscurantist.

    That said, I would not accept anyone calling someone a “Tokong”. Mansor went beyond the bounds of propriety in using that word to cast aspersions on LGE, the most effective and competent CM Penang had since Tun Lim Chong Eu.

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