Federal Government Debt: Evidence of Fiscal Irresponsibility


December 27, 2011

Federal Government Debt: Evidence of Fiscal Irresponsibility

by Dr Subramaniam Pillay

That the Budget that was tabled in the Dewan Rakyat on October 7, 2011 was an election budget is very clear. There have been numerous detailed comments on the Budget by politicians and analysts (since then). In this article, we are just going to focus on one of the long term issues from the Budget. It concerns the increasing debt burden of the Federal Government.

How big is the government debt?

The Federal Government’s outstanding debt has been increasing since 1970. From the detailed data available from Bank Negara’s website, in 1991, it reached a temporary peak of RM99 billion and then decreased to RM90 billion by 1997. From then, it has been virtually doubling every five years. By the end of 2011, we can expect the figure to reach RM450 billion.

In other words, since the Asian crisis of 1998, we have been growing by borrowing heavily. In the 10 years since 1999, our debt has quadrupled. If we continue on this path, by 2020, our national debt will reach RM1.6 trillion. If our population is 40 million then, each Malaysian will have a debt burden of more than RM40,000 and this does not include our own personal borrowing. Assuming an interest rate of five per cent, paying the interest alone will cost the taxpayers RM80 billion per year!

The government has been reassuring us by saying that our debt is manageable. It argues that the debt at the end of 2012 will be only 54 per cent of our GDP, which is relatively low compared to the current crisis nations like Greece and Italy.While it may not reach the levels of Greece by 2012, at our current rate of borrowing it won’t take long before we become another Greece. Just to put this in perspective, our giant neighbour, Indonesia has a debt of only 23 per cent of GDP! Singapore has no debts.

The Federal Government debt alone does not tell the full story. Many government-owned enterprises also have borrowings. If these figures are included, then the total debt would be much higher. It is difficult to get the complete data on these borrowings.

Why has the debt been growing so rapidly?

Since the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis, government expenditure has consistently exceeded its revenue by a considerable margin. For example, in 2011 the spending is estimated to be RM229 billion while the revenue will be only RM183 billion. So the shortfall of RM46 billion has to be met by borrowing.

Of course it is not expected that the government balances its books every year. Prudent economic management requires the government to balance its budget over an entire business cycle. So we can have deficits during bad years and budget surpluses during good years. Since 1998, we have had at least two business cycles; yet every year without fail we have had budget deficits!

This is evidence of fiscal irresponsibility. Here is a government which does not know the meaning of saving for a rainy day. A good example is the situation in the current year.

Actual revenue for 2011 is going to be higher than the budgeted figure by RM17.6 billion. This is mainly due to the increased income from the rise in oil prices in 2011. The Federal Government relies heavily on different forms of revenues (corporate tax, petroleum profit tax, royalties, Petronas dividends, etc) that originate from the production and export of oil and gas in Malaysia. The proportion can be 30-40 per cent of the total government revenue. Thus a rise in the world price of oil translates directly into higher income for the government. So essentially, we had a windfall income.

What would a prudent government do with this windfall? It would reduce the planned borrowing. But that’s not our BN government’s way of financial management. Uncannily, the increase in the actual spending is going to be the same amount of RM17.6 billion!

When asked about this at one of the post-budget forums, a Treasury official explained that it was mainly due to higher spending on salaries and increased subsidy for petrol and diesel. We can understand the increased subsidy but why the higher salary? Did we just increase the size of the bureaucracy? This is a clear case of a government that has no control on its spending.

Why is the federal government spending more than it earns?

There are a few reasons for this consistent imbalance. A major factor is the large leakage in government spending due to corruption and wasteful spending that has been highlighted by the Auditor General year after year in his annual reports. It has been estimated that we can easily save RM25-30 billion without changing any of the deliverables if we can get rid of corruption and cronyism. Transparent practices like open tendering can cut down the cost of much of the procurement and project spending.

In addition, spending can be reduced on military procurements. If a fraction of the money that is saved here can be used to improve the quality of our diplomats in Wisma Putra, we can avert any potential threat to national security. We can also cut down on the excessive use of foreign and local consultants by the government for work that ought to be done by the civil service. Reduction of subsidies to the operators of privatised projects such as the independent power producers and toll road operators will also narrow the deficit.

Another reason for the deficit is the under collection of revenues including income tax and customs duties. Better compliance to and enforcement of existing laws and provisions can increase government revenue.

It is common knowledge that many business operators evade paying their full share of income tax by under declaring their true income. Similarly, evasion of customs duties is rampant due to corruption in the Customs department.

What will happen if the debt keeps increasing at the same rate in future?

As the debt gets larger, interest payments will take an increasing share of total government spending.

If the government continues with the trend of the past 13 years, by 2020 we may be spending about 18-25 per cent of the operating budget on interest payments. In fact, as the borrowing increases, the government will be forced to pay higher interest rates to borrow more because its credit rating will be downgraded. (For example, in Europe, currently the German government can borrow at around 2 per cent per annum while the Italian government has to pay about 7 per cent for its loans.) So the interest cost will rise exponentially.

This will leave much less money for other social and economic spending. It will also widen income inequality as the government will have to cut spending on many public goods like education, health care and public transport. At the same time, the interest it pays goes mainly to foreigners and the better off segment of the population.

What is even more worrying is that given our large revenue from petroleum-related sources, we should not really be running deficits. It is only a matter of time before we run out of oil and gas and thus become net importers of these two commodities. When that happens, our budget situation may become very critical.

A prudent Malaysian government would have saved a sizeable portion of the petroleum revenue from the past few decades as a fund for rainy days. Many other countries have done this. Norway is a prime example. Abu Dhabi is another country that has a huge sovereign wealth fund set up from its petroleum windfall. Botswana in southern Africa saved its windfall earnings from the discovery of diamonds and invested it abroad for its long-term well being.

Unfortunately, we are governed by a spendthrift government that is beset with problems of corruption and incompetency. Unless the situation changes, we are leaving a huge burden to our children and grandchildren. They are not going to forgive us if we do not try to change the situation. — aliran.com

* Dr Subramaniam Pillay, an Aliran exco member, is an adjunct associate professor with the School of Business at the University of Nottingham Malaysia.

32 thoughts on “Federal Government Debt: Evidence of Fiscal Irresponsibility

  1. Hey, Governor, Bank Negara, as Financial Advisor to the Government of Malaysia, you have failed in your duty and you should be embarrassed. You have no guts to stand up and tell the government that running deficits of this magnitude is unacceptable and certainly not sustainable. Per capita debt is around rm20,000 and what is our per capita income?

    With this kind of record you should resign from being head of our national bank and perhaps to return to academia where you can sit down and relax and rationalise.

  2. In the 90s we used to lecture to the Africans on how to achieve developed status. I am afraid that the Africans have given us a good lesson on how to run deficit budgets. It does not matter. For the US with debt 98% of GDP no tipping point. In fact many Third World countries are running into the safety arms of the US dollar. Third World countries such as Zimbabwe 40% you are over the tipping point.

    In the affairs of the state what you do today will only show results 10 years from now. So the present crop of leaders of the nation are all in the clear of blame. Some of us may not be here then. Who is going to bell the donkey?
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    Anon, we are the donkeys. Those fat cats are gone with the money to enjoy the remainder of their lives.–Din Merican

  3. If our per capita federal debt is RM20,000 and our per income is, say, RM8,000, what does it mean? I think the smart man, Mahathir, can help us figure that out.

    And how long more can we fiscally irresponsible, like giving RM 100 to every school kid, when we can use the same money to have better libraries and sport facilities? You did it, Mr. Prime Minister, for politics and to buy popularity. That is not doing the right thing.

    You don’t need to do that. Make us believe in you, that is all to it. Do the right thing. In stead you allow Mahathir to run the show for you. That may not be true, but perception is that you are listening to him and other UMNO warlords. My advice is that be your own man, stand up for your beliefs and live your own dreams, before it is too late. If you have to lose your UMNO Presidency so be it. But what is important is that you have people’s support for doing the right thing and with that you can win GE-13. Happy New Year, Sir and All the best.–Din Merican

  4. One can spin the figures multiple ways – I can just as well argue, with justification, that the government debt level is not a problem.

    For example:

    In other words, since the Asian crisis of 1998, we have been growing by borrowing heavily.

    Actual data: For the decade 2000-2010, nearly 80% of the growth in real GDP came from private consumption and investment.

    While it may not reach the levels of Greece by 2012, at our current rate of borrowing it won’t take long before we become another Greece.

    Most of the increase in debt over the past few years can be directly attributed to the Great Recession – debt increased 13.9% in 2008 and 16.8% in 2009, mostly from a sharp drop in revenue. Debt growth has since fallen to more sustainable levels of around 10%. Based on the trends over the current three year period (2010-2012) where the economy was/is operating at more normal levels, it would take us about 100 years to get to a debt to GDP level over 100% (approximating Greece under crisis). This of course completely ignores the fact that if we take 2012 projections alone, the debt to GDP ratio will actually start falling.

    Of course it is not expected that the government balances its books every year. Prudent economic management requires the government to balance its budget over an entire business cycle. So we can have deficits during bad years and budget surpluses during good years.

    That’s a popular view of Keynesian economics. It’s also wrong – there’s no theoretical basis for a government to run a balanced budget, except under the very special and unlikely circumstance that private expenditure exactly matches the national supply of goods and services. The only time it is theoretically desirable for government to save (i.e. run a surplus) is when private consumption exceeds economic production. Since Malaysians have this remarkable habit of saving instead of consuming, at no point during the last decade was it appropriate for government to consume less/save more. This idea of a balanced budget is based on the idea that a government is like a household – nothing could be further from the truth.

    Actual revenue for 2011 is going to be higher than the budgeted figure by RM17.6 billion. This is mainly due to the increased income from the rise in oil prices in 2011.

    Actually, the contribution of petroleum revenue for 2011 explains less than half the increase. Most of the rest is coming from corporate taxes.

    A major factor is the large leakage in government spending due to corruption and wasteful spending that has been highlighted by the Auditor General year after year in his annual reports. It has been estimated that we can easily save RM25-30 billion without changing any of the deliverables if we can get rid of corruption and cronyism.

    Getting rid of corruption and cronyism would be wonderful. But there’s this little problem that spending=income in the national accounts. I would rather talk about redistributing efficiency savings towards other uses – otherwise you risk a drop in growth, or worse a recession. RM30 billion is nearly 3% of nominal national income.

    In addition, spending can be reduced on military procurements. If a fraction of the money that is saved here can be used to improve the quality of our diplomats in Wisma Putra, we can avert any potential threat to national security.

    Oh right, we can talk China to death. Or maybe put them to sleep. Will nobody learn the lessons of history?

  5. Being no economist (yeah, not even a shred of financial gumption), people like me have no clue what you guys are talking about. Realistically or truthfully or religiously. So i go placidly by, and think metaphorically on things I have no inkling about.. Like the nature of Good and Evil.

    So my thoughts are filled with wonder at how the Establishment borrows money to give out Ang-Pows to the ‘poor’ and disenfranchised, before the next GE – even as the fiduciary irresponsibility, inefficiencies, corruption and large scale plundering continues unabated. I can only compare the state of our economy to the state of our public transport – deplorable.

    For example: Imagine pouring in RM 400 mil into Buses, run by UMNO lackeys? Where is the logic in that? Bas mini again? Yeah make my day..

  6. Good defence, Hishamh, but my view is quite clear: high levels of debt and wasteful spending are not sustainable.

    I am not a Keynesian economist neither am I too enamored with monetarism. Although I am more inclined towards Nobel Laureate Douglass North’s institutional economics, I would regard myself as a common sense economist who likens running a country to running a home, except that the provider of this home does not have the power to tax and has to depend on his capacity to earn an income by hard work and by managing his finances so that he has a surplus at the end of each month to put aside as savings for a rainy day.

    Good financial housekeeping, be it at a personal or macro-level, is a must and I learned that basic principle from former Sime Darby Chairman Tun Tan Siew Sin who was one of the best Finance Ministers we have had and from Tun Ismail Mohamed Ali, the legendary Governor, Bank Negara Malaysia. Both men were concerned about price stability and the effects of running budgetary deficits year in year out. Look at the purchasing power of the ringgit now. It tells you a dismal story of how we manage our national finances.Isn’t? Or do you think fiscal irresponsibility is normal and acceptable?

    Percentages? They give us a false sense of security. To my simple mind, RM30 billion is a lot of money, and it is prudent to use it properly. For example, you don’t give RM250 million away to Shahrizat and family to acquire condos and what not. Neither would I spend some RM15 billion on PKFZ as if there is no tomorrow. Nor would I allow Khir Toyo to get away with a jail term of 12 months for his corruption and abuse of power.Nor would I give RM100 to every student in our country. That money would be better used to build good libraries and sport facilities through the country, especially in the rural areas, for them. Nor would I raise the salaries to civil servants in an already bloated bureaucracy, when we know they are inefficient and incompetent.–Din Merican

  7. Dato’

    While I would support efforts towards reducing waste and corruption, the fact of the matter is that Malaysia’s government debt is not high by global standards, or even by Malaysia’s own historical standards.

    Malaysia’s ratio of debt to GDP reached its highest point in the 1980s when it touched 70% – in fact, for most of the decade and in the early years of the 1990s, it was above 50%. The ratio of debt to government revenue is currently about 2.5 to 1, compared to 4.5 to 1 in 1987. Back then, concerns over the sustainability of debts and fiscal deficits were merited, but we’re quite some ways off of that point right now.

    Look at the purchasing power of the ringgit now. It tells you a dismal story of how we manage our national finances.Isn’t? Or do you think fiscal irresponsibility is normal and acceptable?

    The Ringgit’s loss of purchasing power over time is no worse than any other fiat currency, and in many cases is quite a bit better – Malaysia’s inflation record is actually better than the US over the last three decades. Absolute price stability is a double edged sword – the price is zero growth.

    But getting back to the main point, my concern here is that in demonising fiscal debt, we risk losing sight of the real issues – what that debt is used for. They ARE NOT the same issue, nor should they be seen through the same lens. Our level of government debt is not a problem, even if misuse of power and government monies is.

    Conflating the two risks an inappropriate response – let’s say BN is thrown out and PR transforms government machinery into an efficient and transparent mechanism. Yet the prevailing economic circumstances may dictate running continued deficits and debt accumulation. Equally we could continue having corruption and misuse of government monies, yet circumstances dictate that the government run a surplus. See the problem here?

    By creating an environment where debt in itself is seen as bad and equated to fiscal mismanagement, that ties the hands of the government of the day (whoever it happens to be) from doing what’s necessary to keep Malaysian incomes and livelihoods afloat. And that is something I will not support. There may come a day when PR will regret making government debt an issue.

    BTW:

    Or would I raise the salaries to civil servants when we know they are inefficient and incompetent.

    I don’t know if this has been reported in the media yet, but there are civil servants who are refusing to sign on with the new civil service salary scheme. Nor is CUEPACS all that happy with the new terms. While salaries will go up (in some cases significantly), this has come with a rather nasty condition – neither increments, promotions or employment itself is guaranteed any longer. Seniority no longer counts (except for pensions) and Government employees who do not meet their KPI can now be dismissed with cause.

  8. Can we ever justify spending 3000 when we earn 1000? We certainly are in trouble going a la Greece and finally Zimbabwe. That’s why its urgent to put our foot down come this GE.

    Otherwise we only have ourselves to blame…

  9. I am trying to see both sides of the coin, as a lay person, in the arguements between Dr S Pillay & hishamh, and i stand corrected.

    ‘ One can spin figures in multiple ways – I can just as well argue with justification, that Govt debt level is not a problem ‘ – hishamh seems to disagree that ‘ debt itself is seen as bad and equated to financial mismanagement ‘. Well yes, debts & borrowings are normal for the economic viabilty of the nation, much like running any normal Public or Private Enterprise. Debts & borrowings are incurred by the usual Feasibility study which makes financial projections and/or financial forecasts, that in order to obtain financing, the Lender has to be convinced of Revenue & Profit/s exceeds its total costs & spending. In terms of private enterprise, it would be almost totally transparent.

    The problem with the Government in terms of its debts & borrowings as against Revenue & Income is that it is less transparent, if not completely hidden behind the Veneer of ” apparent ” legitimate Spending, such that the yearly Deficits get larger & larger over time. In this, we can see what Dr Pillay is saying that ” it is estimated that We can save approx RM25-30Billion annually caused by leakages & imprudence or wastages in Govt Spending due to corruption and cronyism ” ( which actually is a collosal figure of monies dissipating as Ill-gotten gains by public officials, esp Politicians) – at the expense of Public Misery !

    It is this i would like to express of the real thing Unsaid : those whose business is to govern and ensure Economic viabilty of Society at large , are truly NOT Interested if Yearly Deficits get larger & larger for the future generations to take care of themselves, since it doest not affect the present who indulge in Corrupt practices – its deliberate & by design meant to be so….

  10. When was the last time you guys used the L/MRT or took a bus downtown? Or buy some ikan kembong of adequate size to fry? Do that first, then we can talk ‘economics’.

    Economic Theories, Projections and Arguments has no meaning to us, simple folk. Inflation, job security and purchasing power has. All this, is like talking about Theology and Philosophy to kindergarten kids (in which most of us remain, once outta our comfort zone). It has no impact whatsoever, politically. The Opposition should concentrate on the fulfillment of the Stomach (and other basic necessities) instead of the metaphysics of Economics.

    Bill Clinton used “It’s the Economy, stupid!” in this existential manner. But Monica Lewinsky thought it was the economics of smokin’.

  11. “To my simple mind, RM30 billion is a lot of money, and it is prudent to use it properly. For example, you don’t give RM250 million away to Shahrizat and family to acquire condos and what not.” — Din Merican

    You forgot the multiplier effect. First you buy two lembus. They in turn will make four lembus. And more lembus will beget many more lembus; and before you know it Sharizat would have made lembu out of everybody else — and it is time to write off the loss.
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    What multiplier effect, Bean. Usually, these corrupt characters send their money abroad without Bank Negara knowing it, using the moneychangers in Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman. There is no hassle.–Din Merican

  12. “Unfortunately, we are governed by a spendthrift government that is beset with problems of corruption and incompetency.”

    Spendthrift? I thought it was more like Big Spender, paying more for than what it’s worth. Nothing short of billion ringgit will do.

    Mongkut Bean, UMNO multiplier effect goes like this ” 1 for you and 1 for me, 1 for you and 2 for me” The lembus will have a hard time multiplying in that fashion since they are milked dry everyday.

  13. Yes common sense & downright pratical – those whose business is to govern, they are the ones who deliberately ‘corrupt the Entire System’ (have’nt there been outcries of Corruption in the MACC, AG’s Chambers, Police or even in the Judiciary ?) – just so that it enables the FEW top elites to Corrupt ” Themselves ” ? You see, its Corruption within the Bigger Corruption (of the total system ) that we get this Double Corruption : THAT IS WHAT I MEAN AS DELIBERATE !
    Now RM 30Billion deliberate Wastages, (almost RM 3 Billion a month ), is Supposed to be the ” Profits ” . If it is saved, it becomes RM300Billion in Ten Years of ACCUMULATED SAVINGS. Instead its the Savings from Profits that’s devouvered by the Corrupt few – so we get CUMULATIVE LOSSES over Ten Years – And that’s what that we term as deliberate, by DESIGN ! The Attitude of these Corrupt Few is : Who cares, Let the Future take care of Itself…..
    Sorry i am no economist nor an accountant – its plain crude language

  14. Abnizar: For a long time I can’t help but feel the whole thing was designed to maximise the plunder. An example is when you see simple things having to be redone a few times over; I supposed to distribute the spoils evenly among the cronies. At worse they’ll always use the disguise that incompetence is not a crime.

    Mr. Bean, write offs are for those who no longer have any means to repay. In this lembu case, they have to repay every single sen back. A quarter of a billion can provide a lot of the much needed internet access to our rural cousins. This will at least keep them abreast of what is really going on in plundered Malaysia.

  15. @Dato’ Din,

    Just a clarification: current per capita government debt is around RM15,000. The income figure that you quoted is actually in USD, not RM8,000. The Ringgit equivalent is at RM26,000 as at 2010.
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    Hishamh,

    I stand corrected. Thanks. But with debt rising faster than income, the picture could change. There is therefore a need to monitor debt to income ratio (Debt to GDP). We have not figured private sector debt into the equation.Maybe you have the national debt data at your disposal to comment further.–Din Merican
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    @abnizar,

    You might be interested to know that the fiscal deficit has actually been falling since 2009, and next year’s projected deficit will be the lowest since 2007.

    ?If it is saved, it becomes RM300Billion in Ten Years of ACCUMULATED SAVINGS.

    That also means that in ten years time, unless these savings are not offset by private consumption, that the economy will be RM300 billion smaller than it would have been otherwise.

    We can certainly argue over where (and who) that income is going to, and I’d be in total agreement regarding the need for efficiency and transparency in government spending. But from a macro perspective, it’s not necessarily advisable for the government to reduce its expenditure unless there’s some evidence that the spending slack can be taken up by either private domestic consumption and investment, or through external demand.

    Gentlemen, what I’m seeing here is what I fear – total confusion between the issue of government debt, and responsible government spending. They’re NOT related issues, which is the problem I have with Dr PIllay’s article.

  16. Who is this idiotic hishamh…trying to explain with his ridiculous financial uttering the “scorched earth” plundering by those dUMNO scumbags. This national debt will make financial slaves of future generations of Malaysians of all races whilst these thieving scumbags have flown away.

    Hidup Malaysia!
    ABU!!!

  17. @fairplay

    And if it’s PR in charge I will just as rigourously defend their debt raising on the same grounds. This is a matter of principle and sound economics, not politics.

    This national debt will make financial slaves of future generations of Malaysians of all races…

    Paul Krugman disproves this point more eloquently than I can.

  18. @hishamh

    don’t spin with flowery financial uttering…the Malaysia National Debt was accumulated by CCC (Corruption by Cronies and now Cows) and not “sound economics” as you assume

    Paul Krugman is not about Malaysia but the war mongering US of A whose deficit grew out of all those senseless wars.Don’t compare USA Apples with Malaysia Durians.

    Hidup Malaysia!
    ABU!!!

  19. @fairplay

    I assume nothing – my viewpoint relates to government expenditure as a whole as it relates to stabilising national income and employment, and not the specifics per se. We can certainly make improvements in the latter.

    Re: Krugman, he is not referring to the US, but to any country generally. The usual test case is Japan, which carries a debt to GDP ratio in excess of 200%. Yet nobody thinks Japan is in any kind of trouble, because almost all its government debt is held domestically. Contrast that with Greece which has half the debt load relative to income, yet is on the brink of defaulting because 3/4 of its debt is held by foreigners. Malaysia’s position is actually a little better than the US – both a lower debt to GDP ratio, and a lower proportion of debt held by foreigners.

  20. While it is true that the bulk of Malaysia’s debt is domestic but the local honey pot is smaller than Japan. How long can local debt sustain irresponsible spending?

    Its always prudent to keep our gearing ratio within manageable limit otherwise our earnings will be disproportionate between loan servicing and dividends to the rakyat.

    The underlying issue here is “irresponsible spending” through inflation of tender prices et al awarded to cronies. When we spend, “value for money” should be the priority. A small trading nation like us cannot afford to be extravagant.

    Billions have been wasted for the last several decades. Imagine the dividends we could have reinvested into nation building.

  21. Spot On ARMS728 !

    Nobody like me could have Expressed Better….we need more of yours, not only with clarity, but substance & Truth – bravo to those who speak in terms of truth.

  22. Crude language again : its the dividends for the Rakyat which they ” sapu” ( from the ” profits’) all cleverly done through this mechanism of deliberate Wastages, lavish Spendings etc as a ” disguise” done in cohort with their Vendors or Contractors : simply put, Escalation of Costs, and under=counter monies are drawn out as ‘black monies’ !

    Ill-gotten Gains, U consume ” fire ” !

  23. @ARMS728,

    Re: gearing – that’s why we use the debt to GDP ratio, to compare across countries with different levels of resources. Which would you consider the better credit risk, one with debt half the level of income (Malaysia’s case) or one with debt double the level of income (Japan’s case)? And in both cases, most of the debt is owed to ourselves. There’s an even better example for comparison (see below).

    @Abnizar

    If you read my comments a little more closely, I have no beef with trying to achieve greater efficiency and transparency and less corruption in government spending. But I reiterate, this is really a separate issue to the level of public debt.

    To illustrate, out of sheer curiosity, I decided to check the comparative figures Dr Pillay quoted (debt to GDP of Indonesia at 23%, Singapore 0%). What I found was so surprising I had to cross check with IMF data. Indonesia, based on IMF World Economic Outlook data, is actually about 25% this year, and 24% next year. Close enough, so far so good.

    Singapore on the other hand, far from having zero public debt, is listed as having debt to GDP reaching 93% this year and 90% next year.

    In fact, based on historical data, Singapore has consistently had a higher debt to GDP ratio than Malaysia since at least 1990. Perhaps Dr Pillay is referring to external public debt, of which Singapore does indeed have zero. But in that case, it is more correct to compare against Malaysia’s external public debt, which is all of RM17 billion, or just 2% of GDP.

    And if you cross-reference this data (along with other East Asian economies) against Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, you will come to the conclusion that higher public borrowing results in lower public corruption.

    That’s nonsense of course – nobody’s going to dispute that Singapore’s public sector is more efficient and less corrupt than Malaysia’s. But it does show that you cannot demonstrate a causal relationship between public corruption and public debt levels – these are, as I’ve repeatedly said, two separate issues.

  24. hishmah, sincerely with applogies, we don;t mean to malign you directly on your professional intergrity. As i had qualified it, we the untrained in this respect, i have stressed thai i use the ‘crude’ language.

    You are well qualified here, and its simply mind-boggling for lay people to understand or ‘see’ the way professionals do the way you have described and explained.
    Sincerely, i accept your ‘technical’ expertise, whereas lay people like my, we are venting our anger, at the level of corruption those whose business is to govern are indulging in. I mean, corrupting the System, people simply loose TRUST in their Leaders !
    Brw its ok if they are prepared to loose Elections…

    No, i respect your professional views….

  25. This hishmah is an idiotic spinner but persistent. To give a layman example. A lady (Malaysia) can get pregnant (high debt ratio) but it can be because of husband (sound and legal economic reasons) or because of rape (corruption by dUMNO scumbags) and this idiot (hishmah) always harp on high debt ratio but not how it got that way.

    Hidup Malaysia !
    ABU!!!

  26. @Abnizar,

    I never saw you as questioning my views, nor was it ever my intention to speak down to anyone – but I did want to make sure we were clear on our respective positions. And trust me when I say I fully support your views on corruption.

    @Fairplay,

    I’m an equal opportunity critic – I call it as I see it, no spin. From my perspective, there’s little difference between BN and PR, just a matter of degree – such is the political culture in Malaysia. And if you must know, most of the debt accumulation over the last five years hasn’t come from extra spending, but because tax revenue fell.

  27. @hishmah

    01. I call it as I see it,no spin…well,whatever you are smoking GET OFF IT.. cos you are deluded!
    02. little difference between BN and PR…just that BN is 99 % corrupted and PR is much,much less…13thGE is ABU!!!
    03. debt accumulation…not extra spending but tax revenue fell…Ya, the Auditor General Reports for last 5 years on overspending and funds mismanagement are just tales of fantasy!!!

    the rest may be polite to you but frankly your financial idiocy uttering Stinks to High Heaven!….lol

  28. hishamh,

    My concern is the relationship between the “gearing” and “what” causes it. In Japan’s case while their gearing is high indeed but its not public secret that its incurred through the euphemism “irresponsible spending”.

    Getty said to get rich use OPM (other people’s money). Perhaps they government has overstretched this.

    Debt in a general sense is always bad. Its something than can spin you out of control quickly without proper financial management. The annual audit report is testimony enough that the government is severely lacking in this respect.

    If we look closely into the components of the government budget any reasonable person would be concerned. The cyberspace is full of commentaries and some even made a joke out of it. This does not bode well especially in this uncertain times.

    While the statistics as you have referred to would not automatically trigger an alarm but when it come to financial matters prudence is always king.

    Borrow as and when necessary but make sure it is invested into “value” than contributes to nation building. For certain people to hitch a ride to riches from these borrowings through all sorts of unsavoury tactics, that is unforgivable.

    Putting a numerator over a denominator will yield a number expressed in either absolute or relative term. What’s important is what underlying story this number is telling us. That takes expertise applied objectively within the context of the big picture.

  29. @fairplay

    Do you honestly think a PR government would be different? This isn’t a case of different political beliefs or philosophies or greater integrity, but the simply the nature of the political system we have in Malaysia, which is essentially feudal.

    Bring back local government elections, which will break the stranglehold of state party machinery over grass roots politicians, and then maybe I’d agree with you.

    As it is, unless something fundamental changes in the underlying political structure, with its incentives towards influence peddling and money politics, I simply see no prospect for any serious reduction in the propensity towards corruption in any Malaysian political party. Moreso since we’re talking about trying to change the nature of the beast – government officials and politicians everywhere are subject to the temptation towards abuse of power and corruption, not just in Malaysia. We are hardly unique in that respect. As dumb as many BN politicians and ministers are, I don’t exactly see a surfeit of talent on PR’s side either.

    BTW, politeness is a sign of a civil society. If we can’t discuss issues of public interest on their repesctive merits, we hardly deserve the appellation.

  30. @ARMS728

    My position is and always will be that from an economic perspective, public debt and public governance are two separate issues. In my view, the overriding macroeconomic goal of government is to maximise social welfare, which over the short term means ensuring the maintenance and growth of nominal income and gainful employment for all citizens who are willing to work.

    If that means rapid debt accumulation, then so be it. Especially since in this case, our higher debt load was caused not so much by higher spending, but through a sharp drop in tax receipts over 2009-2010, something that affected many nations and not just our own. In any case, just as in Japan and in Singapore, most of this is debt we actually owe to ourselves.

    Otherwise, you’re going to have to argue that Singapore’s consistently higher debt burden over the last twenty years (both absolutely and relatively) is also due to fiscal irresponsibility, which is an indefensible position.

    From my point of view, achieving greater value for money would be nice, as that means more money that can be spent on other things which would hopefully increase future income. But the overriding mandate would still be to maintain incomes and employment, an aim I doubt a PR government would disagree with. Nor do I think a PR government would have acted any differently faced with the same macroeconomic situation. Hence getting “value” means the same level of debt accumulation, it’s just that the distribution of this largesse would be more transparent, effective and equitable.

    Believe me, I share your view on reducing corruption in government, I just don’t think this issue should be tied to that of managing public debt. The way the government’s budgeting and spending is formulated, corruption typically happens after spending priorities are decided on, not before – you spend the budget that’s given to you. Abuse of power, influence peddling and outright bribery are of course different matters, but these usually don’t involve government spending.

    If you’ve read Pakatan’s alternative budget, you’ll see pretty much the same giveaways that the government is doing, expcet that they factor in the “savings” from efficiency and transparency. For me it would be more ideal for them to maintain the government’s level of spending but make those giveaways both larger and more permanent. If you’re all concerned about the distribution of income and wealth in this country, you’ll know why.

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