A Vote for Trump is a Vote for Fantasy–November 8, 2016


November 8, 2016

It is Super Duper Tuesday today–Americans go to the polls to choose their POTUS. 270 Electoral Votes is the Target.

Asian fallout from the US election: A vote for Trump is a Vote for Fantasy

Author: Editors, East Asia Forum

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The United States heads to the polls on Tuesday (November 8) for what has been a bitterly contested presidential election marked by scandal. Given the leading role that the United States plays in global affairs, as the world’s top military power, largest economy, and the primary architect of the current international political order, the stakes are huge not just for those casting their ballots but the entire world. The difference between the two candidates, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican nominee Donald Trump, couldn’t be more stark.

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Secretary Hillary Clinton is the most qualified president in US history

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for incremental reform, inclusiveness and cooperation led by an avowed policy wonk. Her experience as former First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State would, the argument goes, make her the most qualified president in US history. In her role as Secretary of State, Clinton was responsible for the US ‘rebalance’ to Asia during President Obama’s first term. A great deal of foreign policy continuity from Obama to Clinton could be expected.

A vote for Trump, on the other hand, appears based in fantasy. Trump’s foreign policy includes the construction of a giant wall between the United States and Mexico and a restriction on the entry of Muslims (and others) into the United States. No one knows the foreign impact of these promises. When it comes to the economy, Trump is unashamedly protectionist, threatening to slap tariffs on major partners willy-nilly. His economic chicanery risks trade wars, job losses at home and global recession.

There has, naturally, been considerable angst around the Asia-Pacific about the outcome of the election and what it will portend for US policy in the region. As Sheila Smith explains in one of our leads this week: ‘Trump shocked the region by arguing that US alliances in Asia, like those with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, no longer serve US interests. Japan and South Korea…should be left to fend for themselves against a nuclear North Korea. Trump views these longstanding security arrangements not as part of a broader strategy, but as a transaction to be renegotiated at Washington’s whim’.

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Dorothy Sellers has lived through 103 years and 17 presidents, never minding that they were always men.But the lifelong registered Republican — born September 18, 1913, seven years before the 19th Amendment guaranteed women’s suffrage — is still pleased as punch to vote on Tuesday for Hillary Clinton, the first woman to become a major-party presidential nominee. She knows what she wants–Hillary Clinton for POTUS

 Trump’s bluster here would not only be detrimental to US allies but would be a case of the United States shooting itself in the foot. ‘Taxing US allies for the use of US forces would destroy the United States’ close network of partnerships in Asia, the very strategic assets that successive US administrations have laboured to build over the last half century’. The success of the US forward deployment strategy and the ability of the US to retain its status as a Pacific power are both predicated on these relationships.

Reliable forecasts—despite the damage to her lead in the polls done by FBI Director James Comey’s precedent-breaking announcement of investigation of new Clinton emails—suggest that Clinton is likely to win. But as TJ Pempel explains in our other lead this week, while Asian states will be ‘unified by their collective sigh of relief’ that the possibility of a Trump presidency is averted, the relief may be short-lived.

The US rebalance to Asia is already wanting. ‘Instability and warfare in the Middle East will continue to devour disproportionate amounts of policymaking bandwidth…and obscure the vision of any moves toward Asia’. The ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), key to Obama’s efforts to engage and structure Asia-Pacific trade and investment, is dead for the foreseeable future’ at least until the 2018 Congressional elections.

Domestically, ‘Clinton will enjoy no honeymoon’ as ‘party and cultural divisions in the United States have taken on tribal exclusivity’. Uniting a divided nation will be all the more difficult given the uncertainties over whether Trump will accept the result of the election: he has repeatedly complained about election rigging and he quipped in the third presidential debate that he plans to keep us in suspense when directly asked if he would accept the election outcome.

As Smith notes, the region faces many challenges. They include: ‘containing Pyongyang’s ambition to create a viable nuclear force’, ensuring maritime security in Southeast Asia, ‘creating barriers to cyber-intrusions’, and persuading the Chinese and American people ‘that their future prosperity and security will depend upon a shared set of rules and norms for all of the people of the Asia-Pacific’.

The common thread across these challenges is that they ‘will all require partners’ if the region is to face up to them successfully. This is the most critical difference between Trump and Clinton. Where Trump promises that he is the only one who can fix problems and will do it all alone, Clinton emphasizes the importance of smart diplomacy and multilateral cooperation. Neither Trump’s isolationist and authoritarian streaks nor the temptation of US unilateralism are going to cut it. Today’s world requires intensive consultations and cooperation among nations in order to uphold shared peace and prosperity. A Clinton presidency is the only one that can realistically offer a US Asia policy built on a foundation of cooperation.

The EAF Editorial Group is composed of Peter Drysdale, Shiro Armstrong, Ben Ascione, Ryan Manuel, Amy King and Jillian Mowbray-Tsutsumi and is located in the Crawford School of Public Policy in the ANU College of Asia and the Pacific.

Asian fallout from the US election

12 thoughts on “A Vote for Trump is a Vote for Fantasy–November 8, 2016

  1. The fears and anxieties of Uncle Sam’s client states in Asia, of being abandoned and placed at the mercies of their mortal enemies by a Trump administration are not unfounded. Having said that, I thought the message put across by Trump was pretty clear that Uncle Sam can no longer afford to be the world’s police man and if the world wants a continuation of that service, they have to share its entailing costs and burden.
    The irony is not lost though since it was the neocons in perpetuating Uncle Sam’s geo-political interests, who created the perceived notion that the world will be a better and safer place, if not, America’s client states will need the necessary protection from the perceived threats of their mortal enemies, vis a vis, South vs, North Korea, Japan vs China and now, China vs the respective countries embroiled in the territorial disputes over the oil and gas rich SCS region.

    Be rest assured that under a more hawkish Killary administration, tension in the region will continue unabated if not accelerated as the involving countries continue to be instigated and pitted against each other.
    With a Trump administration, if his pre election promises are good as gold, his priority will be to focus on rebuilding America , drain the massive swamp at Capitol Hill to bring its house to order, mainly to increase employment, improve health care, law and order and renegotiate all the trade deals that are to America’s disadvantage to reduce the trade deficit. With his work cut out, to achieve his monumental tasks, he will prefer peace, not hostility with Russia and China and surely, the world will be a better and peaceful place.
    For all we know, Trump as POTUS will turn out to be another pussy like Obama, all talk and no action. Grandstanding to the gallery during campaigning is one thing, delivering the goods later, is another, all together. In any case, his corterie of advisors, generals and administrative staff will probably set and tone him down. Just saying….:)

  2. Trump has an Incorrigible hatred and Prejudice against Muslims , perhaps he may be partially right because of the small number of the so-called Extremists Muslims . But extremism arise out of several Causes , when even in their own homeland environment they have been oppressed by cruel regimes : its no excuse, but a factor in the larger scale of consideration. The other Contributory factor is the large-scale Poverty stricken Muslims all around the globe : their OWN fault from beginning of time for Neglecting their worldly existence , for neglecting in the Sciences which they wrongly conceive as Derogatory to their religious Faith.

    That’s the general WRONG Perception of the majority Muslims who, having failed in the Economic or Scientific sense in this very harsh and difficult world, seek to blame others (as kafirs ) for their own pathetic state of livelihood and well-being.

    Despite that, Trump should not harbour Grudge in TOTALITY (or 100 %) and say ALL Muslims in the world are Extremists, and should be wiped out from the face of the Earth , hence his Arrogant and capricious Policy , if elected , will be to bar Muslims from entering USA , with also a total Extermination of existing Muslims who are presently residing in US. – That is sheer Lunacy on the part of Trump.

    For Trump’s enlightenment , allow me to try and appease his screwed-up total bias or prejudices, by making a few quotations by Eminent scholars of the West themselves who have undertaken in-depth studies , on the Positive aspects of the Religion which Trump harbours so much ill-will against :

    1. ‘ The nobility and broad tolerance of this creed , which accepts as God-inspired all (yes ALL ) religions of the world, will always be a glorious heritage of mankind. On it could indeed be built a perfect world religion …..’ – The Gospel of Islam by Duncan Greenlus (1948)

    2 . ‘ The Mohammadan law which is binding on all from the crown head to the meanest subject is law interwoven with a system of the wisest , the most learned and the most enlightened jurisprudence that ever existed in the world …..in The Impeachment of Warren Hastings by Edmund Burke ) –

    3. ‘ Philosopher , orator , apostle , legislator , restorer of rational dogmas , of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and one spiritual empire , that is Muhammad . As regards all standards by which human greatness is measured , we may well ask , is there any man greater than he……? ‘

    From the minority of one Man from the deserts of Arabia , the Religion (Islam ) spread to half way around the Globe within the first one hundred years of its existence ……any Many greater than he ? ? (yes, 20 terrestrial Empires )

    I call upon the verbose Donal Trump NOT to be blinded by sheer Prejudice he harbours , that which he exudes so much Arrogance and hatred through blind Ignorance….. – Peace !

  3. Democrats and Republicans have never failed to compromise so long as it befitted them. But now the rest want them compromise to also benefit them. We are now entering interesting times and the rest have their work cut out fully aware that their position can be very easily undermined with more migration.

  4. “I call upon the verbose Donal Trump NOT to be blinded by sheer Prejudice he harbours , that which he exudes so much Arrogance and hatred through blind Ignorance….. – Peace !”

    Well said, Abnizar. Perhaps, your gut feelings tell you that he will be the 45th POTUS? 🙂 I don’t envy the Americans, the Hobson’s choice of having to pick the less deplorable of candidates.
    Quite possibly but it is also possible that crooked Killary will win but will be booted out of office and Tim Kaine will take over, IF the GOP controls Congress.

    I am not a fan of Trump and even less so of Killary. However, I will attempt to argue the logic to make some sense of how someone like Trump ends up as a final contender in the race.
    Trump is an opportunist who sees the writing on the wall and hops on the train of populist support to achieve his ends. He is applying Marketing 101 to sell and deliver what the market wants. Being a demagogue also enables him to connect with and capitalise on the fears and aspirations of the people.
    He is not the first to commit such a sin. There were quite a few before him, Dr. M, Nigel Farage, Rodrigo Duterte, et al. Will he arrive at the final destination at Capitol Hill? We will find out soon enough, on Nov. 8th.

    If he becomes the 45th POTUS, he will have no choice but to reset his tone which he has already. He’s smart enough to realise that while his gung ho arrogance may endear him to his supporters, it lacks the charm factor to win him all the votes that will carry him to the White House.
    A case in point closer to home. Dr. M was a hard core Malay ultra who ascended on the wave of populist support but had to tone down to the reality of the political landscape.

  5. “A case in point closer to home. Dr. M was a hard core Malay ultra who ascended on the wave of populist support but had to tone down to the reality of the political landscape.”

    Ok can folks see why this ignorant little Trump supporter is so moronic in his ideas ?

    Octo the guy who decimated the civil service in favour of Malays, who carried out registration of Muslims immigrants turning them into Malays to bolster the Malay demographic, who tacitly approved of an Arabisation process that changed the Malay polity , who imprisoned his political opponents, who encouraged crony capitalism, who amended the Constitution, who created UMNOb, who destroyed the judiciary….

    This is an example of a politician changing his tone once his bigoted base carries him to the highest office in the land ?

    “I will attempt to argue the logic to make some sense of how someone….”

    No, no please don’t.

    And what did I tell you about using words like “logic” and “sense”.

    You got to demonstrate some basic reading comprehension skills before even attempting to use them.

  6. Quote:- “Trump has an Incorrigible hatred and Prejudice against Muslims , perhaps he may be partially right because of the small number of the so-called Extremists Muslims”

    The problem is not just “the small number of the so-called Extremists Muslims”, but the large number of the so-called non-Extremist Muslims who do not openly, I repeat openly, oppose these small number of so-called Extremist Muslims.

    The Ummah is more bullet proof than a Kevlar jacket.

    Quote:- “For Trump’s enlightenment…..the Positive aspects of the Religion which Trump harbours so much ill-will against….”

    Has Trump said he harbors ill will against the religion of Islam? Since it is most unlikely that Trump will be reading your enlightened piece, you can enlighten us instead?

    Quote:- “From the minority of one Man from the deserts of Arabia , the Religion (Islam ) spread to half way around the Globe within the first one hundred years of its existence ……any Many greater than he ? ?

    Yes, Jesus of Nazareth who has more believers, more churches, more Bibles printed and read by more people, translated into more languages and in existence longer by 600 more years than the Quran. On top of that He is also the Son of God aka Allah.

  7. “Octo the guy who decimated the civil service in favour of Malays, who carried out registration of Muslims immigrants turning them into Malays to bolster the Malay demographic, ….blah, blah’

    Tell us something we don’t already know. You are the one who serously need to improve your comprehension and stop taking what you read out of context and twisting it to support your argument.
    What has your blubbering nonsense got to do with what I said? Where did I say that Dr. M was not responsible for the damage his policies affected the nation?
    All I said was he changed his tone to the political landscape. Did he not change from a Malay ultra championing only for Malay rights, moving from a Bangsa Melayu to a moderate Bangsa Malaysia and later, to a Wawasan 2020 stance?.

    I did not say that he was a saint. FYI, Tun Razak was responsible for NEP and affirmative action, not Dr. M . Anwar was the one responsible for the politicisation of Islam in Malaysia and the issuance of IC to illegal alliens to alter Sabahan demographics. Get your facts right and if you want to bullshit at least learn to do it right. 🙂

    To recap and to put in perspective what I wrote which you twisted and took out of context.

    ” If he becomes the 45th POTUS, he will have no choice but to reset his tone which he has already. He’s smart enough to realise that while his gung ho arrogance may endear him to his supporters, it lacks the charm factor to win him all the votes that will carry him to the White House.
    A case in point closer to home. Dr. M was a hard core Malay ultra who ascended on the wave of populist support but had to tone down to the reality of the political landscape.”

  8. “What has your blubbering nonsense got to do with what I said?”

    Pay close attention. This is exactly what YOU said –

    “A case in point closer to home. Dr. M was a hard core Malay ultra who ascended on the wave of populist support but had to tone down to the reality of the political landscape.”

    This was YOUR example of a politician closer to home (like Trump) winning an election with a divisive populist base and vote and THEN changing to middle ground politics and policy.

    Octo was definitely not this kind of politician.

    So either you are lying when you wrote that I take things out of context or you really have a reading comprehension problem but when you write this –

    “Did he not change from a Malay ultra ……”

    It is clear you really have no idea what you are talking about and that someone as mendacious and ignorant as you should not be discussing politics at all. No Octo certainly did not change. The evidence of this is what he did. What you mention is his propaganda, which you seem to confuse with reality.

    “I did not say that he was a saint. FYI, Tun Razak was responsible for NEP and affirmative action, not Dr. M….”

    I did not claim you said he was a saint. Stop crating strawmen. Learn to read. Furthermore I did not claim he was responsible for the NEP or affirmative action. I said he decimated the civil service , and he tacitly approved of the Arabistion process and you do understand that Anwar was working for him. Learn. To. Read.

    “To recap and to put in perspective what I wrote which you twisted and took out of context.”

    “This is an example of a politician changing his tone once his bigoted base carries him to the highest office in the land ?”

    Do you understand know or do you need pictures ? Either you truly do not understand what you write or you are a type of useful idiot that political parties rely on to further their cause.

    I assumed there was no such type on this board.

  9. “Do you understand know or do you need pictures ? Either you truly do not understand what you write or you are a type of useful idiot that political parties rely on to further their cause.

    I assumed there was no such type on this board.”

    And you obviously seriously believe that anyone gives a damn of your personal diatribes ? 🙂
    Mendacious? More verbosity from someone who obviously have serious difficulty in grappling with the truth and reality and who has an apparent sense of inadequacy.

    Get this through your bruised self inflated ego frank that you are as opinionated as everyone here. YOU do not have the monopoly of opinion except that of your own ignorance. Like I said before, taken a chill pill and go play with your grandchildren. 🙂

  10. “And you obviously seriously believe that anyone gives a damn of your personal diatribes ?’

    Apparently you do because when caught in a lie, you just throw a tantrum like a kid who has just been spanked by his parent.

    Try to understand, when you can’t read well, when you can’t lie convincingly, when you can’t articulate a coherent argument, the best thing you can do is just write me too posts instead of attempting to engage people in a discussion because if you do, you just keep repeating yourself like a parrot.

    The parrot does not have anything really interesting to say and neither do you.

    And do not use words like “opinionated” or if you do, look it up before you use it.

    People here are not opinionated. They normally just make post without actually engaging which is fine. People post here in a passive manner and only occasionally mix it up with each other.

    Do you need a drawing or something , or are you still having trouble keeping up ?

  11. That’s where you got it wrong Wayne ( Nov.9 ) :

    ‘ The problem is not just the small number of Muslims but the large number of the so-called non-Extremist Muslims who do not openly , I repeat openly , oppose these small numbers of so-called Extremist Muslims ….’ –

    Please ‘open ‘ your eyes and importantly your ‘ heart ‘ , if you cannot see Muslim governments everywhere are HOUNDING the ISIS , Daesh , Talibans , Boko Haram….. ( in conjunction with western powers ) …… strange ? –

    No Wayne, Islam accepts all the Prophets preceeding Muhammad (pbh) , to Jesus (pbh) , to Moses (pbh ) the Prophet of the Jews, backwards all the way down to David , Solomon, Zachariah….. ( that was the final Message of Muhammad as the Last Messenger , if you read the few Quotes I’ve quoted above ) ,

    One of which, : ” …..Philosopher , orator , apostle , legislator , restorer of rational dogmas of a cult without images , , founder of twenty Terrestrial Empires….with one hundred years…..etc, ……any man greater than he ? …”
    (you see, throughout history , one empire ONLY for One Emperor ….. )

    Islam differs from Christianity only on the subject of Trinity that’s all, just read again the few quotes above , PLUS, on the thread of Prof Azmi Sharom dated 24th March 2015 on ” Rape , Hudud and Murder , re the Epistemological aspect of Islam …..by Western Scholars ) =

    Curiosity : People of other Faiths , I believe , accepts ONLY their own Prophets ? = I guess, the answer by you will be ” The Final Messenger , was a copy-cat ” ? – its a long, long story , because the Revelation begins from the Prophet Adam on Earth …. from beginning of time of Creation ! Too long…..

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