Mahathir-Pakatan Harapan Deal: Bordering on Political Naivety


March 9, 2016

Mahathir-Pakatan Harapan Deal: Bordering on Political Naivety

 

 

by  Cmdr (Rtd) S. Thayaparan

If an offence come out of the truth, better is it that the offence come than that the truth be concealed.” – Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D’Urbervilles

COMMENT: Opposition Leader Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail made a rather queer proposal recently. She said, “I proposed a truth and reconciliation commission be set up. This is because in order for the country to move forward, we must reach reconciliation. This is a small price to pay compared to a heavier one if the country refuses to change its course.”

Normally, such commissions are proposed after the fact and one of the by-products of such commissions is amnesty. I suppose it is more carrot than the stick approach. Public mea culpas apparently do wondrous things for the souls of those who were part of the system but very little for those abused by the system.

Furthermore the goals of such commissions is (seeking) the truth and make no mistake: truth in this instance is not a soothing balm but has a cauterising effect. While the Opposition leader may feel that it is “small price” to pay, this entirely depends on who is paying the price.

In a piece about deaths in custody, I explained my scepticism of these so-called commissions. “I’m sceptical of truth and reconciliation commissions for reasons which are beyond the scope of this piece, but I often wonder how a commission like this would play out in this context.

“What would they reveal? Malaysians are prone to conspiracy theories and who could blame us? A muzzled press and the constant shadow plays that are a part of our lives are conducive to a particular mindset that sees tendrils of connections where none exist.

“How would we as a nation react to the banal evil that confronts us in these proceedings? How would certain communities react when the truth of racial profiling as standard operating procedure is exposed to the harsh glare of the truth?”

In addition, what is there to discover or reconcile with the 1MDB scandal? The scandal has ruptured the Malay polity. The Najib refuseniks led by former Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad have decalred war on the UMNO Baru establishment he created and has joined forces with the so-called progressive forces of this country to dethrone (Prime Minister) Najib (Abdul Razak).

There is hardly any need for Najib to acknowledge his guilt or repentance or even the need for amnesty because, if Najib is dethroned, Umno exacts its own retribution. There is nothing anyone can do about it except control the narrative or make wide-ranging systemic changes if there is a realignment of power in Putrajaya and the political will to carry out such changes.

Shameful ‘Operation Lalang’

However, there are other shameful, forgotten incidents in our history that need reconciliation, especially considering the political personalities involved and the reality that UMNO has been a somewhat legitimately elected government.

An example of this would be the shameful ‘Operation Lalang’. To recap with acknowledgement to Aliran: “The more serious event involving the direct abuse of human rights occurred in 1987. Just the year before there was yet another patent abuse of human rights in the form of the Memali incident. The Oct 27 political crackdown on opposition leaders and social activists known by its police code name, ‘Operation Lalang’ (weeding operation) saw the infamous arrest of 106 persons under the ISA and the revoking of the publishing licences of two dailies, The Star and the Sin Chew Jit Poh and two weeklies, The Sunday Star and Watan.

“As this event is possibly the most significant in Malaysian political history since the May 13, 1969 ethnic riots, it bears some recounting.

“The political developments which brought this second largest ISA swoop in Malaysian history (exceeded only by the number detained during the May 13 riots) were sparked ostensibly by mounting political tensions having strong racial overtones.

“According to the White Paper explaining the arrests, various groups who had played up ‘sensitive issues’ and thus created ‘racial tension’ in the country had exploited the government’s liberal and tolerant attitude. This racial tension made the arrests necessary and further, forced the government to act ‘swiftly and firmly’ to contain the situation (as cited in AI, 1988: 10).”

Please keep in mind that the Mahathir regime used this incident to further erode human rights in Malaysia, tightened existing restrictive laws and demonised a community who, by his own admission, had saved his political career.

Dr. Kua Kia Soong’s piece on the so-called Citizens’ Decalration got a frosty reception. Kua (pic), who was detained under the operation, has always been a passionate advocate for social and political reform. He has never been afraid to speak the truth to the powers-that-be, which is why he ended doing a stint under the ISA.

Of patriotism, Kua wrote: “Patriotism is indeed a ‘terrible’ thing – when the Irish use the adjective ‘terrible’ they mean something equivalent to ‘awesome’ rather than ‘contemptible’. While under detention his patriotism is tangible when he relates – ‘while in detention, my wife and I made the decision to change our six-year-old son’s British passport to a Malaysian one since otherwise, he would have to leave the country with his mother every two months to have it stamped.

When some of my camp inmates heard about this they exclaimed: ‘What! You mad ah? As soon as we’re released, we’ll be leaving this country! You crazy lah, giving up his British passport for a Malaysian one!’

“Several of these Operation Lalang jailbirds have flown and good luck to them. Patriotism is not something that you can foist on people. People make choices according to what they have experienced, especially in today’s globalised world. They certainly love the country where they were born and grew up but alas, the country does not seem to love them in return but instead robbed them of their precious freedom.”

Malay-Muslim Hegemony

But is there really any need to revisit these historical incidents or are they not part of the whole truth and reconciliation package? Have we moved on and those left behind are those unlucky few who have felt the wrath of the state?

The reality is, those same opposition leaders and activists who were detained under the ISA are now leading the charge to reform the system and this is a good thing. However, the truth doesn’t care about what we do now, only how we do it and what we did.

During the run-up to the Kajang election, the role of Anwar Ibrahim in this despicable operation was brought up by UMNO and its propaganda divisions. Indeed even Mahathir claimed that Anwar had played a “key role” in the operation.

However, as reported by the Malay Mail under the headline ‘Guan Eng absolves Anwar of Ops Lalang role’, the Chief Minister of Penang was reported to have said: “My detention order, like those for DAP leaders such as Karpal Singh and Lim Kit Siang, was signed by Tun Dr Mahathir. Among the reasons for my detention without trial under the ISA was that I had defended Chinese education” and that Anwar was repentant.

I have no idea how to reconcile such sentiments. We should be careful when opening doors to our past. Who knows what will spill out? Being Malaysian is being guilty of something. We are all touched.

The best way to reconcile is by dismantling those mechanism that define us as the “Other” such as Article 153 (of the federal constitution) and policies that promote the idea of Malay-Muslim hegemony.

That is true reformasi and the way forward that acknowledges the past.

S THAYAPARAN is Commander (Rtd) of the Royal Malaysian Navy.

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35 thoughts on “Mahathir-Pakatan Harapan Deal: Bordering on Political Naivety

  1. “The best way to reconcile is by dismantling those mechanism that define us as the “Other” such as Article 153 (of the federal constitution) and policies that promote the idea of Malay-Muslim hegemony. That is true reformasi and the way forward that acknowledges the past.”

    Yesssss!!!

    To which I only add a simple 3rd point, that every Malaysian should be issued a personal rainbow made of candy, that also comes with an endless pot of self-refilling gold.

    At least I’m practical.

    Ahhhh, Utopia.

    A great little place to live after severing all connections to the reality of here and now.

    Or….

    “Let’s shoot for Step 12, without going through any of the necessary 11 preceding steps first!”

  2. “Opposition Leader Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail made a rather queer proposal….” must rank as among the most unintentionally funny opening lines in history.

  3. We will be naive to entertain the idea that by going after YAA Tun we will be able to solve whatever we are trying to solve. It is nothing but a lame excuse to either delay and buy time or to scold our daughters in the hope that our sons -in-law will get the message. Well you can wait. A decade from now our future will emerge clearly and then we can praise or scold the people responsible for it. That has been the history of Third World Countries.
    Point To ponder.

    Just imagine if your mother or father had not disciplined you at home with regard to homework during your school days

  4. It is so sad to read so many write-ups and comments casting doubt or criticising initiatives by Dr M and Pakatan / civic organisations to rid Malaysia of a scum.

    It seems that Malaysians are happy to have this scum continue to rob and rape our country even as we write / speak, so long as they get to continue to harp on the past crimes of Dr M.

    Our house is burning and we are arguing whether one of the fire-fighters should be allowed to help put out the fire!!!

    When will Malaysians ever learn to put aside their baggage and come together to deal with this scum. And no one ever said that we cannot pick up and deal with the baggage after the scum is in jail.

    We Malaysians are a pathetic lot.

  5. Ahhhhhhh, Ops Lalang.

    1987? Was it? Yes.

    It was a very good year…

    Since then, things have improved greatly:

    https://cpj.org/2015/03/malaysian-police-arrest-editors-executives-of-news.php

    http://cartoonistsrights.org/cartoonist-zunar-faces-43-years-in-prison-over-tweets/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/malaysia-1mdb-lawyer-idUSL3N12916620151009

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/opinion/malaysias-deplorable-sedition-act.html?_r=0

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/bersih-balloon-girl-to-be-charged-tomorrow

    https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/306999

    http://thecoverage.my/news/malaysia-woman-charged-by-mcmc-for-insulting-najib/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-protests-idUSKCN0QW0TL20150827

    http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2015/04/05/anti-terrorism-or-gagging-all-dissent/

    Enjoy Frank’s dulcet tones while reading this at leisure. There’s plenty more where that came from, and plenty of Malaysians are going to find that out the hard way. (Oooh, I forgot, your “reading list” above was “compiled” in about 2 years, not 22.)

    NEWSFLASH: Scientists have discovered Reverse Alzheimer’s, an affliction that makes people live in the distant past while ignoring a far worse present danger.

    PS: Once we screw Mamakutty, let’s bring Admiral Zheng He and Parameswara in for questioning and force an apology out of them. I’m not happy with them either. And don’t get me started on the Japanese and British…

  6. “At least I’m practical.”

    Holy crap only in Malaysia where the Melayu and BN/Oppo racial game playing is mainstream can something like “all men are created equal” be viewed as something utopic.

    We have been stuck on the first step for decades because folks like Ferdi supported by the “house is burning” sheep like Muthu have pulled the social contract long con arguing for “pragmatism” or some other bull shit, because it sustains a parasitic system of government and opposition.

    Have things gotten worse since 1987, well duh and Mahathir was at the helm until 03′. Badawi was a notch better but Najib is worse. What does this prove, exactly ?

    Wait, wait, the goal is not to prove but to misdirect and obfuscate. That’s why Ferdi uses phrases like “chattering classes” and makes ad hominems against critics of this screwed up alliance. Don’t worry about the truth, make the easy choice , so you won’t have to deal with the real issues that keep them in power.

    According to Ferdi, we should all get down on our knees and fellate Octo because we are going to get screwed big time by Najib. Well does this sound familiar. Of course it does, This is exactly what Octo used to say when he ruled the roost.

    We must thank the gods that folks like Ferdi were not part of the civil rights movements. And by civil rights I mean any movement any where in the world that has brought change. What wonderful insight he would have brought to those tables.

    And when OCto does win and he will and UMNO goes on only this time with the blessings of a duped Opposition, we can all get back to raging against the UMNO machine and cleansing what we thought was rain but were actually folks like Ferdi et all pissing in our ears.

  7. “….must rank as among the most unintentionally funny opening lines in history.”

    You think that was unintentional ?

    Of course you do.

  8. Yang Berbahagia Dato’

    Pardon me for putting my inference as follows (no malice intended),

    In my opinion, no need to harp on the “operation lalang” anymore.
    To me it was then a timely, wise and decisive move (as expected of brave leaders) by the bright Tun Dr M, as the opposition were too rowdy and it seemed that provocation and inciting of racial discord was the norm then.

    The situation now is different. Here we are confronted with the issue of apparent dishonesty, thefts and plundering of the nations wealth.
    ________________________
    Dear Aziz,

    I appreciate your comments. I agree that Tun Mahathir is a clever man. My former boss at Bank Negara, Tun Ismail Mohamed Ali, called him an intellectual and I agree. He was my hometown (he is from Alor Setar) hero. My parents knew him and my late mother worked for Tun Dr Siti Hasmah at Alor Setar General Hospital in the 1950s. I grew up admiring him. But after becoming Prime Minister in 1981, especially after 1987, he changed. Power got to his head and he deformed our nation by subverting the constitution and by destroying our system of checks and balances.

    Please read my comments about him in Tom Plate’s book Conversations with Mahathir and you will know what my views are about the man. The system he left behind and the people he anointed as his successors are corrupt to the core because he was their mentor. That is why I wonder why we must count on him to oust Najib. We can do it ourselves democratically.–Din Merican

  9. Aduhai Pakcik Conrad!

    Rilek lah, yop. No need to get hot under the collar. Sembang2 jer. Here’s a song to calm you down:

    You seem to have a fairly tenuous grip on reality, kawan, but let me just humour you a little:

    a) “Holy crap only in Malaysia where the Melayu and BN/Oppo racial game playing is mainstream can something like “all men are created equal” be viewed as something utopic”

    Holy crap, you missed my point completely, viz. it’s silly to say “let’s shoot for Step 12, without going through any of the necessary 11 preceding steps first!”

    This is not a defence of s.153 (the article says “The best way to reconcile is by dismantling those mechanism that define us as the “Other” such as Article 153 (of the federal constitution) and policies that promote the idea of Malay-Muslim hegemony.”)

    Can, lah. I’m with you, bro(s). Honestly.

    But we are trying to fend off mass abuses of the law, the imposition of the NSC, and a global corruption scandal that is tearing the fabric of the economy. Can I just put you hold for a while on the abolition of Article 153, while we sort this out first? Thanks. We’ll attend to you shortly. (You can listen to Frank while on hold.) Or we could do yours first, but that would be Utopian. See the problem?

    b) “Have things gotten worse since 1987, well duh and Mahathir was at the helm until 03. Badawi was a notch better but Najib is worse. What does this prove, exactly?” Ummmmm, that Najib is a live problem, while the others are not? Duh. Too easy.

    c) “Don’t worry about the truth, make the easy choice , so you won’t have to deal with the real issues that keep them in power.” Ummmmm, that keep “them” in power? Like…mass abuses of the law, the imposition of the NSC, and corruption? (refer above)

    d) “According to Ferdi, we should all get down on our knees and fellate Octo because we are going to get screwed big time by Najib.” Well, I am not homophobic, but please don’t let Siti Hasmah catch you at it. Enjoys!

    e) “We must thank the gods that folks like Ferdi were not part of the civil rights movements. And by civil rights I mean any movement any where in the world that has brought change. What wonderful insight he would have brought to those tables.” My only insight (refer above) would be to deal with immediate problems first, and to give short shrift to those who enjoy living in 1987. Or 2003, even. You don’t have a tangible solution, do you?

    f) “And when Octo does win and he will and UMNO goes on only this time with the blessings of a duped Opposition, we can all get back to raging against the UMNO machine and cleansing what we thought was rain but were actually folks like Ferdi et all pissing in our ears.” Nope. Octo has a very, very slim chance of winning, but a better chance than the utterly incompetent, ever-squabbling Oppo have going it alone. And piss? Why, I’ve filled your ears with Frank Sinatra!

    You’re most welcome : )

  10. “That is why I wonder why we must count on him to oust Najib. We can do it ourselves democratically.”

    Does Najib intend to afford us the privilege of ousting him “democratically”?

    I have my doubts.

  11. Dear Dato’ Din

    I am absolutely agree with your fair and rational views about Tun Dr, M. Yes, he started off very good but later set up this firewall for the top UMNO leadership. The firewall kept the leaders at bay and high and mighty.

    I have an uncle who was a great fan of Tun Dr M but towards the end he totally despised him out of the money politics installed within UMNO.

    Yes, Dato’ I intend to read your commentary and will search in the internet for it.

    TQ Dato’ for being a fair and rational man. May your tribe increase!

    __________________
    Aziz,

    Men of my tribe are fading fast. I am now 77 with not many years left. It is sad to see Malaysia in such a mess, thanks Mahathir and his successors.Men of character should lead Malaysia. Plato calls them philosopher-kings endowed with knowledge and high moral principles.

    Let me quote from a book titled by Character by Samuel Smiles as follows:

    “Character exhibits itself in conduct, guided and inspired by principle, integrity and practical wisdom.In its highest form,it is the individual will acting energetically under the influence of religion,morality and reason,”

    Character in my personal opinion exemplifies human nature in its highest forms, for it exhibits man at his best. Please comment and share your ideas and views without fear or favour.

    Here is something that may interest you
    :http://steadyaku-steadyaku-husseinhamid.blogspot.com/2015/09/din-merican-mahathir-learning-his.html

    and this https://books.google.com.my/books?id=JcuIAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=Din+Merican+on+Mahathir&source=bl&ots=mryak_JuEa&sig=9Ex5qwLSRtgqie1QeQxmwrz5Tko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQkMXt8LPLAhUDWo4KHepSDPM4KBDoAQgfMAE#v=onepage&q=Din%20Merican%20on%20Mahathir&f=false

    Salams–Din Merican

  12. I dunno what all this fuss is all about?

    A lot of hot flatus and belchings being passed – especially from so called activists and commentators for and against this C.D. Step back folks and see the big picture.

    If some wanna to be Faustian, so be it. I think everyone is using everyone else – like buggery in a ring-a-ring of roses.. No need to hammer those who signed that declaration lah, just cuz they didn’t think we small farts were ‘distinguished’ enough to make a difference. The fact is that it has been done,simply means we either go along with it or sit on our sorry arses. That’s Liberty ain’t it? No one has illusions about Octo – especially Kit. He knows this is but a ceasefire. What izzit, that those against don’t understand? Truth? What is that?

    Remember: “Per Rectum Ad Astra” (L: Thru the rectum to the stars) – i.e one sometimes has to go thru shit before finding success. Don’t be so full of crap, either way.

  13. “If we want to change the same old, same old, we have to understand politics is not a (American) football game. … Politics and democracy mean every single one of us has to be actively involved,” Sanders told a crowd in Dearborn, Michigan on Monday.

    Good advice for us in Malaysia too. Are we going to let a bunch of crooks and their greedy, utterly shameless, hangers-on run the country into the ground?

  14. “Character exhibits itself in conduct, guided and inspired by principle, integrity and practical wisdom. In its highest form, it is the individual will acting energetically under the influence of religion, morality and reason.”

    I think the only Prime Minister we have ever had who truly approached this ideal was Tunku Abdul Rahman. Tun Hussein Onn bore no malice to anyone, was honest, but plagued with ill-health.

    Opinions of Nos. 2, 4, 5 and 6 may vary.

    But the undeniable fact is that only No.6 is a live problem.

    I vote for Practicality and Urgency over Archaeology.

  15. I wonder if Churchill ever balked at the idea of cooperating with Stalin to fight against Hitler. That is after Stalin has signed a pact with Hitler

  16. “Our house is burning and we are arguing whether one of the fire-fighters should be allowed to help put out the fire!!!” Muthu.

    If Malaysia is on fire as a Muslim-majority country, it would have looked like this: suicide bombings, coups, political assassinations, refugees emigrating to neighboring countries, sectarian fighting, and people disappearing in thin air.

    1MDB scandal is bad, but Malaysia is a nation that still clocks 5%-6% growth. When we cannot hold leaders accountable for corruption, it means only our political and judiciary systems are not matured enough compared to some developed nations. It does not means Malaysia is on fire. We should appreciate the resilience of Malaysia political system for not falling apart even if we apparently have a PM who misused 1MDB fund; A lesser country, such as one of those 56 Muslim-majority nations, would have exploded in chaos with PM politically assassinated as dreamed by Dr. Bakri from California.

    Who has told us that we are entitled to matured political and judiciary systems, without working for it? Working toward more matured political and judiciary systems must not consist of removing PM through unconstitutional means, such as removing PM from within UMNO.

  17. Ayuh Ferdi, what a disappointment, bro. Starting off with a passive/aggressive dig then moving on to the whole “tenuous grip on reality” bid. Man, that’s so Usenet.

    But what the hell, I dig the old stuff and you’re border line amusing, so I’ll play along.

    “Holy crap, you missed my point completely, viz. it’s silly to say “let’s shoot for Step 12, without going through any of the necessary 11 preceding steps first!”

    And you miss the point that we have been on step 1 since…like forever, dude. Nobody except maybe for Harry Lee thought to move beyond step 1. So you see the problem isn’t taking small steps but that people don’t even want to take steps to move further. Certainly not BN and more worryingly, not PR or whatever the hell it’s called now.

    Can you dig it or do you want a youtube video for illustration purposes ?

    And it really pisses me off that I have to speak about Harry in a positive way.

    “But we are trying to fend off mass abuses of the law, the imposition of the NSC, and a global corruption scandal that is tearing the fabric of the economy. Can I just put you hold for a while on the abolition of Article 153, while we sort this out first? Thanks. We’ll attend to you shortly. (You can listen to Frank while on hold.) Or we could do yours first, but that would be Utopian. See the problem?”

    Oh please, unless you have been having Frank in your ears all these years (see what I did there ?) we have been dealing with abuses of the law, systemic corruption, racial supremacy and a screwed up economy (anyone remember the 80’s ?) for decades. Has it ever occurred to that that this shit didn’t exactly happen in a vacuum and perhaps 153 and the Ketuanan mentality was part of it ?

    So yeah, why don’t we get a grip on that since we are talking about “systemic changes” or maybe the idea is to ignore the problem , replace Old Pink Lips and keep the gravy training running.

    “Ummmmm, that Najib is a live problem, while the others are not? Duh. Too easy.”

    Not really that essay, since apparently you don’t understand the meaning of context.

    “Ummmmm, that keep “them” in power? Like…mass abuses of the law, the imposition of the NSC, and corruption? (refer above)”

    No like the folks who dismiss Operation Lalang, decide that the former prime minister who destroyed institutions is the best person to reform it (although he has shown no evidence of this), voting for pragmatism, not voting because of apathy, support article 153 because they believe in the “social contract”, voting for the opposition knowing full well, they do not intend to change the System but are very good at paying lip service to changing the system and lastly people who listen to BFM.

    “Well, I am not homophobic, but please don’t let Siti Hasmah catch you at it. Enjoys!”

    Why worry about Siti Hasmah ? She is used to sycophants metaphorically fellating her husband in public.

    “My only insight (refer above) would be to deal with immediate problems first, and to give short shrift to those who enjoy living in 1987. Or 2003, even. You don’t have a tangible solution, do you?”

    No your insight is attacking anyone who disagrees with this poisoned declaration. Your straw man is the no solution gambit and your agenda is misdirection in the guise of pragmatism.

    “Nope. Octo has a very, very slim chance of winning, but a better chance than the utterly incompetent, ever-squabbling Oppo have going it alone. And piss? Why, I’ve filled your ears with Frank Sinatra!”

    You are right but not in the way you think you are. Octo has no chance of winning alone. But he has a chance with a ethically challenged Oppo. This is about Octo winning and not the Opposition.

    I was never really a Sinatra fan. Chet Baker is the only jazz guy I listen to. But you obviously need a dose of Frank . So, here’s Frank in a medium that he had his moments in :

  18. Is there naivety? Yes. But isn’t that what the opposition is confronted with with the voters? The single biggest obstacle to ridding Najib and UMNO is now Hadi’s PAS and even Mahathir treats them with kid gloves for keeping Najib in power. The Malay reformist clamour for change but yet cannot confront the dyfunctionality of their religo racial politics.

  19. Oh dear, oh dear, Conman.

    Always simplify to the mental level of your audience. All right, here goes:

    a) You talk Article 153. You talk Lee Kwan Yew. You go seance and call him. You say people no want take first step. You miss point. If patient jugular vein cut, you no treat ingrown toenail first. First things first. You moron (see below). Is easy to understand. Ask adult to help you.

    (PS: You think Malay want kill Article 153? You go do survey. You no ask your crowd in Bangsar. You go nationwide. You find they very, very want. Now you whine about “change mindset”, “decades of…”, etc. Me yawn. Me know all your cliche. No need say. Spare us. You boring. You predictable. Yes. You very, very predictable. You blame politicians. So you go change politicians. Now. You can? Go ahead. You cannot. Oh-oh. No change govt, can no change Article 153. Chicken, egg. You understand principle – chicken, egg? Yes?

    b) Phrase like “forever dude” and “dig it” make you sound like 60-year-old uncle trying to sound young. You no do it no more. Stop it. You silly.

    c) You live in past. You repeat thing everyone know. To death. You make me sleepy-sleepy. Also you must be non-Malay, because cliche that “Article 153 and Ketuanan Merayu is cause of all ills in country” is lazy non-Malay cliche. Is also gross over – sim – pli – fi – cation. (Long word hurt your brain, owwwww!) Your non-Malay cliches as bad as Melayu cliche that Article 153 is all good. You are parrot. Parrot no think. Polly want cracker? Polly don’t want crackpot. You crackpot.

    d) If Oppo no good, Dr M no good, history ot country no good, FC no good, then me think you put up or shut up. You have time machine? You go back fix. Now. Go. We wait. But you no have time machine. No. You no have solution. You never answer dat. You avoid. You only got recycled smelly bum-bum sounds. We hear all before. You have shallow cliche only. You go Malaysiakini now and make bum-bum sounds. Make mouth froth. Repeat pre – dict – able rant. Make more shallow cliche. They like. You like. Everybody happy.

    But nothing change.

    Now, me choose song for you:

  20. “Who has told us that we are entitled to matured political and judiciary systems, without working for it? Working toward more matured political and judiciary systems must not consist of removing PM through unconstitutional means, such as removing PM from within UMNO.”

    Would that not be constitutional?

    If he is removed from within UMNO, that would seem to be a purely party issue. Hence not very different from Thatcher or Abbott or Mahathir stepping down, for whatever reason. That does not seem to impinge on, or even involve, the Federal Constitution, as it does not involve the legislature at all.

  21. /// Ferdi March 9, 2016 at 6:50 pm
    “According to Ferdi, we should all get down on our knees and fellate Octo because we are going to get screwed big time by Najib.” Well, I am not homophobic, but please don’t let Siti Hasmah catch you at it. Enjoys! ///

    What a Freudian slip. If you are not homophobic, does that mean you love gays? All the more you should get down on your knees and show that you are not homophobic.

  22. “What a Freudian slip. If you are not homophobic, does that mean you love gays? All the more you should get down on your knees and show that you are not homophobic.”

    Huh ? What are you babbling on about The ? Why do you assume by “we” I meant only men ? Bit sexist of you don’t you think ? Not being homophobic does not automatically mean “loving gays”. Although a statement like the one you made does sound homophobic.

    I don’t discriminate based on gender, sexuality, ethnicity or religion. I discriminate based on literary and film preferences.

    Also I don’t think you have a clue what Freudian slip means. Lastly if I was not homophobic why would I have to prove I was not homophobic ?

  23. “What a Freudian slip. If you are not homophobic, does that mean you love gays?”

    No, perhaps you do not understand English?

    “Homophobia – irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”.

    Hence, for example, a person who does not call for death to gay people is not necessarily gay.

    Some other examples may make this clear:

    “Sinophobia” – “fear of or contempt for China, its people, or its culture”. A person can be non-Sinophobic without being Chinese, or loving the Chinese.

    “Ailurophobia” – “the persistent, irrational fear of cats” – a person can be non-ailurophobic without being a cat, or loving cats.

    “Islamophobia” – “prejudice against, hatred or bigotry towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims.” – A person can be non-Islamophobic without being a Muslim, or loving Muslims.

    And so on.

    It’s fairly simple, right?

    I cannot help you with your lack of wittiness (which is not curable, as far as I know), but for your more pressing malady:

    http://www.english-online.org.uk/course.htm

    http://www.openenglish.com/en/course/

    https://www.britishcouncil.in/english/learn-online

    (You’re most welcome.)

    Thank you.

  24. Oh dear Ferdi, not used to being challenged eh ? got under your skin ? It was so easy.

    a) Dumb analogies don’t help your point. You don’t need analogies. It’s simple really. Mahathir and Oppo talk about systemic changes. Art 153, is what the system is built on. Harry knew exactly what the problem was. You use analogies in an attempt to divert from the problem. That’s typical Malaysian way….ok maybe dumb Protun way.

    (Yup the “Malays” don’t want to kill article 153. Most folks don’t even know what 153 means. No need to go trawling around your clichés, to find out what the majority of the Malay polity wants. You think I have heard not your type of rhetoric before ? It’s old but more importantly boring. Don’t be boring Ferdi, being marginally interesting was what you had going for you)

    b) I don’t mind sounding like a sixty year old dude. Most of the folks here are older than that. But your prattling sounds like the kind of vernacular, the Mara kids thought cool back in the 80’s.

    C) Dope, you are the one ejaculating to the Mahathir Renaissance . Let me guess, you are of those Malaysians probably Malay, who think that as long as you can blame the Non Malays for everything in this country, it makes it easier not to look into the woes of your own community, right? You instinctively understand that art 153 has not really given you the advantage you hoped it had. That’s like so Malay Dilemma. I mean can’t you come up with something original or do you need Octo to do that for you ?

    d) And ending with a straw man . Please-lah, dude, trying reading and understanding before getting into a flame war. There are no special privileges here to fall back on. Teacher won’t give you cheat notes. Being critical of something does not mean a rejection of it. When you get your head out of your arse, you will understand that criticism also means attempting to change or influence the political parties of your choice.

    And for someone who goes “yawn” , “boring” , “cliché”, your musical taste reflects that. That’s something I suppose.

  25. Removing PM from within UMNO is unconstitutional because the Constitution only allows removal of PM through no confidence vote. Article 43-4:

    —–
    ● If the Prime Minister ceases to command the confidence of the majority of the members of the House of Representatives, then, unless at his request the Yang di-Pertuan Agong dissolves Parliament, the Prime Minister shall tender the resignation of the Cabinet.
    —–

    The reason behind not allowing internal UMNO politics to remove PM is to ensure UMNO does not have a dog leash over the PM who is appointed by Agong as the PM for all Malaysians including those not voting for him. An analogy is that a mother does not have a right to kill her baby simply because she gives birth to her; The baby has become a human being with certain independent right. UMNO cannot by itself removes PM per the Constitution, Article 43-4. And the Constitution wants a PM for all Malaysians, not just for UMNO members.

  26. Oh my.

    I responded to The harshly because I thought he was responding to me. I gotta to admit The your comments were a bit off, queer even. In this instance, Ferdi has the right of it. My apologies. I blame the fog of war.

  27. Well, article 153 is useless anyway but then because of the numbers game, Article 153 shall stay forever. Judging from the fight (Ferdi vs Conrad), wouldn’t it time to revisit……..Separation…….Partition………Why those words are so taboo? Because under the present system, Conrad shall surely lose…….hahahahaha.

    Time to go on separate ways…….Look at european history, you have noticed how the tiny holland gone against Spain? Even Holland’s anthem reflects that……

    Time for some folks to read history……..

  28. Din wrote:
    “But after becoming Prime Minister in 1981, especially after 1987, he changed. Power got to his head and he deformed our nation by subverting the constitution and by destroying our system of checks and balances.”

    Yes, and the consequences remain with us until this very day. Never before have I been so far from Opposition thinking …. Dr M had been called machiavellian by the DAP, but that party is now following his footsteps.

  29. I think the problem is big and systemic. Democratic removal of Najib by election might not be possible, 1. is there going to be a election 2. now precedences exist on how it can be rigged , are you going to get a favorable outcome.

    as much as you guys(as i ) hate Tun M, the is a force . Now it is up to us to use it. Do you really think the save malaysia campaign by citizen can easily be robbed by one guy? Nope but he can and will cause implosion within UMNO which necessary for things to move. Yes slipt hair and cite polity and ethics all you want . What choice do you have? now that all has been tried what do you have to lose? a 90 year old man awaiting death can do this and you guys are afraid to get behind him.

    Or yes await this white knight second coming, many pious person have talked about their fav prophet returning. Good luck with that one.

  30. It is just strange. We wanted a different PM because of inappropriate money flowing into his personal bank account.

    But, we are ok with another PM as long as we do not know that he/she has a personal bank account.

    In Jesus’s spirit, I say this… “let the first man without big bank account leads”.

    Dr Azmi Sharom comes to my mind. We have an integrity problem. We have a messed up Constitution issue.

    For the rest, I do realize we talk a lot about each other. Imagine if Sarawak Report could know about 1PM’s personal bank account info, what is there to suspect that one would not know about the next PM’s bank account info.

    Ferdi and Dato Din are right. Choose someone with integrity. Pardon my ignorance.

    Azmi Sharom is the only one that came to my mind.
    If one really need an UMNo guy, 1PM’s brother has been raising his hand quite often at important times.

  31. You may think it’s about Madhater. Ktemoc will certainly certify that Madhater is the Malaysia version of Richard Nixon. Of course, everybody comes to suspect this clown’s association with Najib, Razak.

    Anyway another perspective on Richard Nixon……….Najib is doing the same thing…….hahahaha

  32. There is so much fighting in here that my little brain got confused.

    Any way the short of it seems to be either we support TDM and the unlikely coalition of enemies to get Ajib out, and the idealistic stance that we wait for the next election and somehow, the people will vote out BN – to ignore that BN spent 1.5billion in GE13, pumped in ghosts and printed mail votes, ensured a corrupt EC to control the electoral process, and so on.

    That TDM, PKR, DAP and past enemies have somehow patch a deal together to remove a corrupt PM, an idea that was unthinkable even weeks ago have not propelled Malaysians to act on this unique opportunity speaks volume. It is idealism versus practicality.

    We all need to see this window that may never open again, and have the balls to take a risk – to do something now, or to hope, like the virgin under the banana tree waiting for those lovely green bananas to ripen and fall at the right location.

    There is untold talents of leaders here, all fighting – Malaysian versus Malaysian, while robbers clean out the Treasury.

    My kids would say, kill the robbers, then fix the safe. You guys want to wait till the safe is gone, and there will be nothing to fix, unless of course, it amuses you to see the ringgit going zimbabwean billion dollar notes.

    We are all Malaysians and we need to come together to save this beautiful country.

    And of course, if any of you could clone the great Tunku, and his team, and takeover Putrajaya, I will support that whole heartedly, but where are such men of principal?

    There is one, Old Uncle Lim, and he says it – I do not hate Tun, politics cannot be personal. I think also our problems came when TDM entered politics and was instrumental in getting Harry out. When Harry left, and when TAR left, our country was robbed of two great minds that could have made Malaysia the true jewel of the East, a powerhouse that could have easily surpassed Japan with our resources.

    Brothers and sisters, lets come together, and I the man with a smaller brain, asks you of greater minds, to join in and provide the leadership sorely needed. We are tumbling towards a country like Haiti, and your talents could surely steer our country to greatness and not to further bigotry and corruption. If you do care!

  33. James,

    A modern state like Malaysia was founded on the Constitution, and its progress must proceed along the path created by the Constitution. To do otherwise is to start a revolution, which comes with all its cost and bloodshed and only possibly a longer-term gain.

    At this moment, walking the path created by the Constitution means to endure the robber’s action until we train cops and judges capable for catching and prosecuting the robber. Walking the path created by the Constitution also means resist temptation of a quick fix via cooperating with TDM, whose record shows he had removed PMs unconstitutionally through coups since our first PM and down. The price of the quick fix is that the whole nation is not forced to take necessary steps to improve along the path created by the Constitution.

  34. James,
    You have directed to wrong crowd. Perhaps, you should first target ktemoc who seems to have association with Razak through his uncles being in the military. Not many chinamen in the military during then. Tok Cik can help on that
    I fully understand Din’s frustration. I too have my fair share of hatred towards Madhater. He is the destroyer of my beloved town called Ipoh. However, I do not understand how an english educated chinaman hated Anwar Ibrahim over chinese education issue. That is really a mystery. Perhaps, something to do with the cat…….hehehehe

    Guys and Gals,
    Remember what Nixon said about hatred…….That eventually destroyed himself………hahahahaha

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