The Views of a Muslim Man


January 9, 2016

The Views of a Muslim Man

by Dr. Tawfik Hamid

We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them.  Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change !–Dr. Tawfik Hamid

https://defendingiraniandemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/from-the-heart-of-an-honest-muslim/

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I am a Muslim by faith, a Christian by spirit, a Jew by heart, and above all I am a human being.” says Dr. Tawfik Hamid. I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam. 

After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.

I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward non-Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.

We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the mosques.

What message do we convey to our children when we call the Jews “descendants of the pigs and monkeys”? [Yet, both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Ibrahim (Prophet Abraham)!] Is this a message of love and peace, or a message of hate?

I have been into [Christian] churches and [Jewish] synagogues where they were praying for Muslims.  While all the time, we curse them, and teach our generations to call them “infidels”, and to hate them.

We immediately jump in a ‘knee jerk reflex’ to defend Prophet Mohammad when someone accuses him of being a pedophile while, at the same time, we are proud with the story in our Islamic books that he married a young girl seven years old [Aisha] when he was above 50 years old.I am sad to say that many, if not most of us, rejoiced in happiness after September 11 and after many other terror attacks.

Muslims denounce these attacks to look good in front of the media, but we condone the Islamic terrorists and sympathise with their cause. Until now our ‘reputable’ top religious authorities have never issued a fatwa or religious statement to proclaim Ben Laden as an apostate, while an author, like Rushdie, was declared an apostate who should be killed according to Islamic Shari’a law just for writing a book criticizing Islam.

Muslims demonstrated to get more religious rights as we did in France to stop the ban on the hijab (head scarf), while we did not demonstrate with such passion and in such numbers against the terrorist murders. It is our absolute silence against the terrorists that gives the energy to these terrorists to continue doing their evil acts.

We Muslims need to stop blaming our problems on others or on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As a matter of honesty, Israel is the only light of democracy, civilization, and human rights in the whole Middle East.

We kicked out the Jews with no compensation or mercy from most of the Arab countries to make them “Jews-free countries” while Israel accepted more than a million Arabs to live there, have their own nationality, and enjoy their rights as human beings. In Israel, women cannot be beaten legally by men, and any person can change his belief system with no fear of being killed by the Islamic law of ‘apostasy,’ while in our Islamic world people do not enjoy any of these rights.

I agree that the ‘Palestinians’ suffer, but they suffer because of their corrupt leaders and not because of Israel. It is not common to see Arabs who live in Israel leaving to live in the Arab world. On the other hand, we used to see thousands of Palestinians going to work with happiness in Israel, its ‘enemy.’ If Israel treats Arabs badly as some people claim, surely we would have seen the opposite happening.

We Muslims need to admit our problems and face them.  Only then we can treat them and start a new era to live in harmony with human mankind. Our religious leaders have to show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam.

Then, and only then, do we have the right to ask others to respect our religion. The time has come to stop our hypocrisy and say it openly: ‘We Muslims have to change !

32 thoughts on “The Views of a Muslim Man

  1. As a non-Muslim, I always remind my foreign friends Muslim are very peaceful people while in my country the Muslim politician and religious leaders demonize us. I wish more Muslims Malaysian will be more vocal on telling bigots politician and religious leaders we are not enemy of Muslim. Also, I don’t quite understand on some of the sultan’s speech on Muslim unity. Are they implying Malaysia non-Muslim the enemy or global? Din – would you please clarify? Salam.
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    Divide and Rule strategy is part of Najib’s game plan to retain Malay support for his discredited regime. We are fortunate that there are still sensible Malay Muslims who will not fall into his trap. HRH Sultan of Johor has turned out to the most enlightened of the Malay Rulers. Johor is a powerful state.I am disappointed in the Sultan of Selangor.I notice that Oxford and Harvard educated HRH Sultan Nazrin Shah of Perak too has been speaking out on civil society and governance issues of late. The Yang DiPertuan Besar of Negri Sembilan also is an enlightened ruler. It is time for all our Rulers to be more assertive.–Din Merican

  2. Amen! I will pray as a Christian, such that more Malaysian Muslims get to experience Dr’s liberating thoughts. I am immediately being challenged to look deeper into my own culture as a Christian, and as a Chinese. As an amil Christian, I face similar challenge with many competing views of eschatology. As a Chinese, I face similar inner battles. We, Chinese, too are being haunted to think the world owe us some respect, while at times, we are plain greedy. 😫 I am not sure if I am a liberal. I think I am, as I am hopeful in the liberal tradition of respecting differences, and efforts to lessen inequalities in the world. But, some liberals do not believe in this. As such, I am being challenged by rhetorics from other liberals. Putting aside all cultural baggage, collectively, we human faces grave inequalities amongst ourselves. What would a pragmatist say? WTF? But, even then, what does that mean? Seriously..WTF with WTF. Dr Twafik Hamid, Amen. God is willing.

    I will just pray as Neibuhr did, with his Serenity Prayer.
    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    The courage to change the things I can,
    And the wisdom to know the difference.

  3. It isn’t easy to try and grasp what the learned Dr. Tawfik Hamid states, hope he could clarify some details on this : ‘ I am a Muslim by faith , a Christian by spirit , a Jew by heart ( but,) ‘ above all I am a human being ‘ , is as universal as anyone can be because its in our ‘ fithrah’ , or natural proclivity towards Man’s primordial self in creation –

    We are all human ‘creatures’ , but we all have the angelic side too within ourselves , a constant struggle for Man ! See what Kahlil Gibran says as an illustration : ‘ Whilst love crowns you, it crucifies you ‘ , a double edge in-built of Nature…. a perpetual struggle , yes for the higher purpose ! –

    Unless if the learned Dr , is talking about the Science of Syncretism , I agree we can syncretisize knowledge , which may be possible. Somewhere in the Middle East, a Group calling themselves Perennial Philosophers – Muhammad Abduh, Al’ Afghani , together with a couple of Christian and Jewish brethren – are doing exactly that . They have been sitting down for ages now to try and RECONCILE Knowledge revealed in their own religion , and should be able to synthesize the Common knowledge , thus to enlighten mankind , that if there seem to be some differences, that too is for the Higher purpose….

    Could Mankind achieve a situation whereby the dream for ‘ Heaven on Earth ‘ become a reality in the not too distant a future , I wonder ?

  4. Abnizar, to have Heaven on Earth – One must drink of the River of Life.. I shall not go into the philosophical nor theological meaning of that.

    The Eschatology of these 3 ‘Abrahamic’ religions, mentioned by ksk, is totally at odds with one another – not to mention within the beliefs themselves. When we as humans cannot see the Common End (not to mention Purpose), how can we Reconcile? No way. Even God must have a different Name, over here.

    The concept that you’ll want to use – i believe should be Ecumenism, not Reconciliation. Khalil Gibran, your spiritual mentor, was a Maronite Christian – but there are also many Sufi saints that are just as ‘edified’. But the latter ‘denomination’ is out-fatwa-ed here, is it not?

    Btw, your concept of angels and devils, is also ‘strange’ to me. What happened to the third category – Jinns? Haha.., carry on my friend.

  5. Another Muslim bashing write-up on this site,Its becoming a routine.Letus take a look at what this Muslim imposters have to say:

    (1)Barbaric terrorist attacks by Muslims

    We begin with the 9/11 attacks which alot of people including a former general in US Airforce are until today still scepticle of the so called Alqaeda’s attacks on the Twin Towers and Pentagon.Was it possible that 4planes that were involved in the attacks over a period of more than 30minutes didnt trigger absuperpower like US to srammble their fighter jets into the air after the first attack after 4planes seemed to deviate from their flight paths.But we were supposed to accept that the Turkish jets could scramble and shot down a Russian plane after only 17 seconds of intrusion into their airspace.The attacks on the Twin towers were so perfect that the buildings crumbled nicely like a planned demolition and the third building also imploded and crumpled without being hit by the two planes.

    Now your civilized Christians consisting of George Bush and his poodle Tony Blair and their Neocons buddies got a nice excuse to destroy Afghanistan and later Iraq which killed more than a million people and maimed million others all of whom got nothing to do with that attack or your weapon of mass destruction bogus story.Just use your God given brains for a moment and reflect on the hypocrisy that a country that had used nuclear weapons before and have one of the biggest WMD should become hysterical and attacked a small country just on the suspicion of having WMD.General W.Clark the former US Commander-In-Chief of NATO ad openly said on news media that he was informed that US was going to attack 7Muslim countries and so far they have carried out the attacks on four of them either directly or through their proxies.Question yourselves why Israel soldiers had rescued and treated more than 2000 injured militants in Syria including the Al Nusra fighters(Alqaeda affiliated group)and what an Israeli colonel from the elite Golani Brigade doing with IS when he was caught in Iraq,This type of news were never w
    idely publicised in CNN,BBC,FOX,etc.

    (2)Polygamy and abuse of women

    Polygamous relationship have always existed among mankind since time immemorial.Is this writer telling telling us that polygamy existed only in Muslim countries.Though its officially banned say in US there are people still unofficially practicing it.Even in this country there Non Muslims that have more than one wife though not officially.When I checked the internet the top 10 countries with the highest no of rape cases were all western countries with the exception of India and Ethiopia.I dont know about the writer but I believe rape is a form of abuse of women.Only last week I saw that Japan has more than 10,000 female porn stars but only a few hundred male porn stars.I dont know about you but I think these women are being exploited by men who produce these porn movies.Similarly women have been exploited in Hollywood,Bollywood,and the advertising industries but the writer seemed to be blind to these exploitations and abuse of women but can only see them happeni g in Muslim countries.

    The truth is a lot of unsavoury things are happening in this world due to evils of men regardless of their race or religion.Some of the evils are happening without prior planning due to human weakness and some are planned in the name of politic,national interests or just pure greed.
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    It is not Muslim bashing. It is telling Muslims to use their head, not their mullah polluted and misguided heart to deal with governance and other issues. It is also a reminder to the United States and its corrupt Arab leaders that they have messed things up in the Middle East and destabilised the region. In Malaysia, our leadership has doing the same thing with Islam. It is just a matter of time that there will be doom (since we are in the Equator, there will be no Malaysian winter) in our country. I am not impressed with your impostor gambit. Maybe Conrad, Abnizar, CLF and others can comment.–Din Merican

  6. I for one , would not go so far as to conclude on this Muslim-bashing phobia , when a person learns , or a nation learns, from the lessons of his own error/s , he wises up to try and find some answers to console his own soul. Not to take it too hard.
    In correspondence , or as a parallel , (correct me, if I am wrong ) , it was former President Jimmy Carter who divulged that President GW Bush was too bent on Eschatology , which made him obsessed ( and inane ) to the point ‘ that the hour had come for the destruction of Iraq….etc ‘ ,- The Final Judgement episode.. A brutal dictator no doubt, but Saddam Hussein was found to have had NO WMD ! Decades later, the admission of ‘ regret ‘ pervades……
    Which brings me to the point by my esteemed colleague, CLF on the point he raised on Eschatology….. yes dear CLF ,not to be literal on the question of ” Heaven on Earth ‘ , but to imply metaphorically as ” Peace on Earth ‘ – hope against hope ?
    Unless I am mistaken again CLF , your point on Ecumenism , as against Eschatology , I understand it to be applicable as a general & of universal application pertaining to the whole Christian Church , and that Eschatology as the final end to all things earthly (or final judgement ) , I do accept what you have pointed out , as the difference .

    One point remaining : Unity In Diversity , achievable or not ?

  7. The gist of it is when 10%-20% of a large population is willing to commit extreme act and most will not protest against it, its not just simply the act of minority. It is a problem of that whole population. It is ultimately THEIR problem.

    Turn the problem around, if 10%-20% of a population can do amazing things, make and do fantastic and leading things and idea that the world follows, it is also because of the population – their practises and beliefs.

    Oh. The other population, its called the Americans that led the world for over a century now.

  8. Quote:– “…show a clear and very strong stand against polygamy, pedophilia, slavery, killing those who convert from Islam to other religions, beating of women by men, and declaring wars on non-Muslims to spread Islam”

    In other words tell Muslims to abandon some of the teachings of the Quran?

  9. “….a look at what this Muslim imposters ”

    What is there to say Mr. Merican ? To Muslims like Abdul Jalil any form of self reflection is anathema to their faith. This is how Muslims have maintained the kind of group think that causes so much problems in the world. It’s pointless arguing against his straw men or pointing out the absurdity of his cheery picked quotes.

    There can be no change in Islam because at the end of the day, people who want change either migrate to countries where they are free to live their lives and discover their faith on their own terms, leaving the close minded bigoted wretches to wallow in their victimhood all the while searching for scapegoats to blame their woes on.

    As I mentioned before, even though I am an atheist, I had great Jesuit mentors and from their beliefs I observed that faith without self reflection is a self inflicted wound.

    As my intellectual better would say, any questions ?

  10. Yup Conrad, A. Jalil’s invective above is what we may call ad hominem – a genetic fallacy or fallacy of irrelevance. Unfortunately, these unrepentant apologists and self professed hard-core salafists are running rampant nowadays. Our politicos especially, have descended to the level of Argument (Reductio) ad Absurdum – like society must more Laws, otherwise there will be Chaos. As if Chaos was not their original intent.

    I always thought reason must be tempered with self reflection, otherwise it becomes frivolous, self serving and pedantic. Apparently, doctrines written in stone is easier to follow with mind numbing rote than awareness or conscience.

    Btw, anyone trained by Jesuits would more likely be an Agnostic, rather than a true blue atheist. Heard about the late Anthony de Mello SJ? Nice lectures on “Awareness” on youtube.

  11. Quote:- “…any form of self reflection is anathema to their faith”

    ….that’s because in all the 99 Names or Attributes of Allah, “Self-Reflection” is not one of them.

  12. No point arguing, Conrad……..Hanging your hand above your thread……..Just like that……..What makes you think that people would not manipulate religion to do further crime.

    Hitler got his enabler act and Najib got his NSC bill………

    Next……..final solution……..See the parallels…….

    It’s great to have Tawfik speaking up their mind. However, it’s also time for nons to assert their rights. No more subcontracting to the melayus.

    Be like Irishmen……..They succeeded, didn’t they

  13. @aj just wanted to say most of us who replied in this blog entry heard what you said. But, I still wanted to point out that both Turkey and AlQaeda flaunted their abilities to shoot down a Russian plane, and capability to bring the down pride of an Empire (USA). Perhaps, things could be different, or more complicated from what you have attempted to illustrate.

    As per whar Dr Phua pointed out, US faces identical issues Malaysia currently faces. In fact, for quite a long time. ISIS, as per US’s own admission was created from a concentration camp within Iraq during occupation of Iraq, if I may use the word occupation.

    I would also like to share C. S. Lewis’s understanding of war. He is not a pacifist.
    http://andynaselli.com/lewis-war

    And this quote on human nature from him.

    A man uderstands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense, really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about both good and evil: bad people do not know about either.” — from Mere Christainity

    So, I do hear you. But, I am an optimist. I have shared my understanding on end times. It will all pan out, despite our differences. God’s peace and joy be with us all, you and me.
    Personally, I do not think we have too much differences in our understanding of the world.
    We are just borned with different cultural heritage. Perhaps, what is unclear to me is what is your heart telling you to do, despite the differences that we could not change. I think it matters a lot.

  14. “Btw, anyone trained by Jesuits would more likely be an Agnostic, rather than a true blue atheist. Heard about the late Anthony de Mello SJ? Nice lectures on “Awareness” on youtube.”

    CLF, what can I say ? Anthony de Mello SJ was a big influence on the Jesuits who in turn influenced me. Those days, we didn’t have youtube so those of us who were interested got books, when possible or photo stated bindings which we were told to highlight (in marker pens) passages that we agreed with [or not] or just anything we found interesting.

    Years later a Catholic friend referred me to this :

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19980624_demello_en.html

    Needless to say, as grown up rebellious punk kids, this just confirmed to us that our mentors were on the right track.

    About that agnostic thing. It seems axiomatic. But then again I’ve always been an outlier…..

  15. /// Abnizar January 10, 2016 at 5:11 pm
    One point remaining : Unity In Diversity , achievable or not ? ///

    Yes, provided UMNO, the ultras, the mullahs, the nationalists and the supremacists do not get in the way. Provided Malaysia stop mixing race and religion with politics. No need to look far – just look south to the little red dot.

  16. Datuk Din

    Based on what Dr Tawfik have been saying about Muslims/Islam, he is more likely to incite them rather than reformed them.I dont know about his agendas but maybe he wants to sell more books in US.Just take the article above,he is saying while the Christians and Jews are praying for the Muslims, the Muslims are calling the Jews the descendants of pigs and apes.I have never heard Muslims calling Jews that except there are verses in the Quran about Jews in a fishing village who desecrated the Sabbath by fishing on that day because the fish were abundant on that particular day(a test for them).As a punishment for this desecration they were turned into pigs and apes.While I am sure there are good Christians,Jews,Buddists,etc,there are also evil men from these faiths just like the Muslims and even the atheists.Dont forget Stalin and Mao alone managed to killed a whole lot more people than all these Muslim terrorists combined together.

    He mentions that Jizia as a humiliating tax while forgetting to mention that Muslims have to pay the Zakat .From both these taxes,the Muslim rulers of the past used to maintain the army to provide protection to their citizens from external attacks.While not saying so directly ,he is insinuating that Prophet Muhammad was a paedophile based on hearsay alone.The age of his wife was mentioned in one unauthenticated hadith written over a century after his death while all the others never mentioned this.The Quran says you cannot inherit your wife against her will and how do you expect a 6years girl to make that kind of decision.Indeed her elder sister was married at the age 26 while the Prophet daughters were married off at the age of 21 and 23 .

    Lastly for Wyne who said that Self-Reflection is not one one of the attributes of Allah,it is not so becase God is supposed to be perfect and if He has to self reflect,He is no GOD.
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    I read his piece carefully. Dr Tawfik Hamid never claimed to be God. But he is certainly an ordinary Muslim with an open mind. The way we in Malaysia practise Islam smacks hypocrisy. A good Muslim is not corrupt and as leader he is not a liar. Would you consider Najib a model Muslim leader? –Din Merican

  17. In the right environment, a Malay/Muslim can be radicalised within a week.

    They are infected by a pathetic sense of victimhood……mix this with an adherence to a violently warped interpretation of the Islamic faith, you have Malay/Muslim willing to be martyrs.

    There is an alarming and dangerous high % of Malay/Muslim support for ISIS.

    The decades of narrow, divisive and damaging politics of race and religion by some Malay/Muslim leaders and politicians had destroyed the country, let alone rampant corruption and gross mismanagement.

  18. Datuk Din

    I never said Dr Tawfik claimed he is God.The last paragraph is meant for Wayne’s statement.As for supporting Najib as a model Muslim leader,I think you are joking ,right?I am not saying Muslims are perfect but looking at the way human beings behaved in the last 100 years nobody can claim to be so and I doubt we will be any better in the next 100 years.
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    Some Malay Muslims are more perfect than others. Najib happens to be one of them. He goes to Ummrah every year and he is forgiven and then he comes back to commit more sins.–Din Merican

  19. The, abnizar :

    //// Abnizar January 10, 2016 at 5:11 pm
    One point remaining : Unity In Diversity , achievable or not ? /////
    //Yes, provided UMNO, the ultras, the mullahs, the nationalists and the supremacists do not get in the way. Provided Malaysia stop mixing race and religion with politics. No need to look far – just look south to the little red dot.//

    Unity is not uniformity. UMNO, Ultras, nationalists, and supremacists will always be there. But, so should others, and vice versa.

    What we have is a fake unity. If the idea behind ‘unity in diversity’ is to enable ‘unity in spite of differences’, I would still personally prefer a better model, ‘diversity in unity’, allowing different models to approach unity to be suggested, debated, and implemented.

  20. I think, whether its Unity in Diversity, or Diversity in Unity, there cannot arrive a definition of ‘ perfection ‘ , simply because of diversity itself. Its all a question of intention, niat yang jujur sahaja.
    Anyway, my two sens worth (am no constitutional expert ) – the drafting of our Constitution in the Fifties , seem to have caused a kind of ‘ anomaly ‘ , if one can call it that, giving the Effect of this Paradox : INEQUALITY IN EQUALITY ( absolute equality was not possible , when it was first drafted by the British ) – the basis was, as always in a Democracy, it is the voice of the majority, that prevails . Hence some of the major provisions which seem to cause In-equanimity or restlessness. amongst citizens….

    Since because the legal & Constitutional provisions are already in place for a good fifty years, it looks like it is entrenched…..But, of course , Unity in Diversity was the intention, whichever way one looks at it. If absolute equality is ever possible in human existence, the hope is for everyone to evolve to be a thorough-bred ‘ MALAYSIAN’ in the millennium to come….

  21. “…..Unity in Diversity was the intention, whichever way one looks at it.”

    No it wasn’t, in any way one chooses to look at it.

    Anyway, nobody is looking for perfection. What some people want is progress. The UMNO system is predicated on preventing progress.

  22. In this Islam versus Islamism video, we can see the struggle for the soul of Islam:

    http://tarekfatah.com/islam-vs-islamists/

    In north America, it is the people, not the government, that is at the forefront of the struggle. Governments only handle the aftermath of shootings and carnage, which attract news coverage.

  23. @Abdul Jalil

    I do not know how correct your observations are. You seem to concede that the wife was indeed an infant child with your statement “The age of his wife was mentioned in one unauthenticated hadith written over a century after his death while all the others never mentioned this”. How do you establish that this one hadith is unauthenticated whilst the rest of the hadiths (as you seem to imply) were authenticated? In a boiling pot of rice, sampling one grain is generally good enough to know if the rice is cooked.

    Another of your statement is even more baffling. You mention that “The Quran says you cannot inherit your wife against her will and how do you expect a 6years girl to make that kind of decision?” This seems to suggest that the 6 year old did give consent and it was permissible for a much elder man to marry her. Where has she got the mental faculty to consent? In today’s context it is statutory rape and the offender will be charged and sentenced to jail. I have read that in older India there was such a practice as child marriage between under-aged boys and girls. But this was a sort of “chope” agreement – an alliance fixing in advance, for them to marry each other when they grow up. The infants go through the marriage ceremony ritual to cement an irrevocable tie. This is largely done within family circles to secure a continuation of family ties and for any property there is to remain within the family.

  24. Hawking Eye,

    There are many books of hadiths(basically the so called sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad)but only 6 of the books are cosidered authenticated by Islamic scholars though some of the sayings in those books are believed to be more reliable than others.The age of the Prophet’s wife who was also his very dear friend Abu Bakar,the first Islamic Caliph,was mentioned in one book of hadith outside those six books and therefore considered not autheticated book of the Prophet’s sayings.These books were just hearsays and I do not think they are reliable as evidences.

    Muhammad was supposed to be the Massenger that brought the Quran.One of the saying which in yhe Quran which I believe alot of Muslims never follow is that you cannot inherit your wife against her will.Muhammad who brought the Quran surely would had known that a six years old could not make that kind of decision and the only way he could have married the girl was merely from his friend consent which was therefore against the principle of freedom of choice of the women in marriage.

    The early Islam was actually quite liberating for the women.While the Romans,Persians and Chinese Kingdoms accepted women as mere assets and not entitled,the Muslim women were entitled to inheritance left by parents and relative but I guess we remained static after the Islamic Golden Eras because of the unenlightened Ulamas who refused to accomodate changing times.Even the cutting of hand for theft was considered mild 1,400years ago when even 200years ago people were hanged for stealing cows and horses in the States.

  25. @ Abdul Jalil

    I can still take several pot shots at your latest comment but I shall refrain as my overriding wish is for Muslims, especially for the deeply conservative ones, to accept the fact that there are fallibilities and inconsistencies in the Quran as much as there are in other Scriptures. It goes without saying that there are liberating essentials in the Quran which beautifies Islam as well as show a path for mankind for a more fairer, equitable and disciplined world.

    Perhaps it is time to bring out a revised version of the Quran (like how the Old Testament was changed to the New Testament) or for Global Islamic Scholars to brainstorm and write another Hadith to rationalise the irrationals. But still there is the seemingly intractable schism between the Sunnis and the Shiites. How do you close the gap? As they say, you can bring the Prophet to the mountain but how do you bring the mountain to the Prophet?

    With all sincerity, I respect your views as a committed Muslim with deep convictions. But you are also well educated and certainly attuned to practicality and the need to adapt to modern needs. May your onward journey be a blessed one. May God’s grace be with you always.

  26. @ Shiou, I think I need to delve a little more , about how it is repugnant to the soul of Islam ( I won’t touch other religion ). =
    The incessant Imbroglio in the mind of some followers is their vision of ‘ grandeur ‘ , resulting from a vague kind of mental delusion. , begins with the fallacy of adding aberration or appellatives to Islam viz ,like political Islam . Gradually the mind flips….so , the delusion drives them further , and they FEEL they must resort to militancy ( militant Islam ) , UNAWARES….it then graduates to Terrorism…. to achieve whatever ambition they are deluded with ! ( Islam should be just Islam, no aberration )

    That is not the pristine ‘reflection ‘ of the holy Qura’n – wish I could expand when the time permits. But briefly , the lay-out or the ‘ structure’ of the Book , is ACROPETAL – as in the shape of triangle,( imagine the Pyramid ) the progression of Knowledge , from the wide base , is done step by step upwards , and it CONVERGES to the top at the point of the Pinnacle – yes, you won’t believe it, Knowledge converges with each step taken in its progression upwards to the point –

    My point here is , No appellatives … No aberration…..to Islam , to maintain its Purity ……

  27. Kindly also , revisit Dr Azmi Sharom’s thread dated 24th March, 2015 , wherein about 20 0dd Comments , by Westerners, had been laid out, one of which is by H.A.R . Gibb (Muhamadddanism , 1953 ) , recollect :

    Quote : ‘ Well then, if the Qura’n were his own composition other men could rival it . Let them produce ten verses like it if they could, and it is obvious they could not : then . let them accept the Qura’n as an outstanding miracle …’

  28. For the sake of Completeness …..other than the mental block and psychological defects caused by mental Delusions, we have to acknowledge that Muslims by and large have COMPLETELY NEGLECTED on this side of the Coin, to do or deal with our Existence in this hard Physical world of matter and flesh…….to those suffering from the mental block , they think holding on to faith & religion will work like Magic, thus their frustrations and exasperations against Western nations who have greatly succeeded in matters of real life existence dependent upon Scientific truths…… – forgetting that it is their LACK of it ( the sciences ) which has greatly contributed to their own Miseries in this world….

    Very concisely, religious matters and the sciences are but two sides of the same coin…..

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