A Fresh Political Storm is brewing over the Allah Issue


December 27, 2012

A Fresh Political Storm is brewing over the Allah Issue

by  Maria Begum, Malaysia Chronicle

Najib frowningIt looks like another storm is brewing over the use of the Arabic word for God – Allah. And if not careful, the latest flare-up in Muslim-Christian friction could incinerate Prime Minister Najib Razak’s remaining hopes of defending his tenuous hold on the federal government at the coming general election.

Arch rival Anwar Ibrahim is already moving quickly to shield his Pakatan Rakyat coalition from the fall-out, calling for an urgent meeting between the heads of PKR, PAS and DAP, the 3 parties that form the Pakatan.

“This issue was resolved. We not only had a meeting but elaborated in discussions on the subject, and referred to texts, including Quranic texts. Now it has resurfaced, it would require an urgent meeting,” Anwar, Leader of the Malaysian Opposition, told reporters on Thursday.

Misleading the people again?

DAP Secretary-General Lim Guan Eng had started the ball rolling in his Christmas addressLGE when he urged the Federal government to allow Christians to use the word ‘Allah’ in their Malay-language Bible.

But it was Najib who turned the spotlight back onto himself. At a Christmas event where Guan Eng was also present, Najib declared that Christian rights had never been trampled on and that he was “PM for all Malaysians”.

Whether this was yet another foul-up in Najib’s long string of political ‘boo-boos’, his remarks certainly revived hope in the Christian community that he might withdraw a government ban on non-Muslims using the word Allah. Christians form more than 10% of the country’s 28 million population.

“Najib doesn’t seem bothered about lightning striking twice. He seems to think all he needs to do to win back Christian votes is to make a pretty speech but the Christians are having none of that. They want concrete action, they want the Home Ministry to withdraw the Allah appeal. Najib  cannot promise to restore Christians rights and then deny them the use of the word Allah,” PKR MP for Batu Tian Chua told Malaysia Chronicle.

Tian was referring to a landmark High Court ruling in 2010 that overturned a government ban on non-Muslims using the Allah word. The ruling, controversial in predominantly Muslim Malaysia, sparked a series of violence against churches here, catching international attention and criticism from world Christian bodies.

Political hypocrisy rears its head

According to Wikipedia, Allah is used mainly by Muslims, Arab Christians, and often, albeit not exclusively, by Bahá’ís, Arabic-speakers, Indonesians, Malaysians, Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.

However, in recent years, former UMNO Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar banned non-Muslims in Malaysia from using Allah, claiming exclusive rights over the word for Muslims although such an act would contravene the spirit and letter of the Federal Constitution, the country’s highest law.

When the Catholic newsletter, Herald, successfully sued to have the ban lifted, current Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein immediately appealed the High Court ruling. The Appellate Court has yet to fix a date to hear the case. However the appeal did not stop a series of demonstrations from erupting.

Egged on by Najib’s tacit green light to show Muslim displeasure, UMNO groups held rowdy rallies and launched Facebook campaigns such as Allah For Muslims Only. The heated atmosphere resulted in violence, death threats against the Judge who made the decision, culminating in arson attacks against several Christian places of worship in the country.

Najib and Hishammuddin were blamed for playing the racial and religious cards to win over the Malay-Muslim voters, who form 55% of the electorate. The cousins were condemned for their political hypocrisy and the Allah incident is among major factors contributing to Najib’s loss of credibility among Malaysians, resulting in the hollowing out of his inclusive 1Malaysia platform.

Pragmatic U-Turn?

PAS ErdogansMeanwhile, Islamic party PAS has made tentative suggestions that “pragmatism” should prevail in the recently revived debate on whether or not Christians in the country should be allowed to use Allah in their religious texts.

PAS said while it defends their right to use ‘Allah’ as previously stated, it would be better for Malay-language Bible to use the Malay word ‘Tuhan’.

“There are sensitive elements such as the Declaration of Faith (Shahadah) and Allah, which must be used in the correct context, otherwise there could be unease in a multi-religious society in view of the present situation,” PAS Information Chief Tuan Ibrahim Tuan Man had said.

The PAS remarks were immediately seized on by the BN media to ‘highlight’ the growing rift between the Islamic party and its two other partners – the secular DAP and the multi-racial PKR.

In 2010, PAS researchers had made it clear it was not against Islam for non-Muslims to use the word Allah. It also vowed to stand by the Pakatan common policy framework, where all three partners have agreed to abide by the Federal Constitution.

“I don’t think PAS is making a U-turn as the UMNO media is trying to suggest. On the contrary, PAS’ statement is that it defends the rights of non-Muslims to use the word Allah. It is only advising an approach that it thinks is more conciliatory. This is its right. But it doesn’t mean that it is going to renege on its previous decision.” said Tian.

“This is why Anwar has to call for an emergency meeting where the 3 parties can clarify and re-affirm their cause and struggle for all Malaysians. We do not want to be like Najib – say something which creates confusion and then quickly run away or pretend not to notice.”

Equal partnership & common goal

In his Christmas message, Anwar had reiterated that the rights of Malaysian ChristiansDSAI were guaranteed by the Constitution and must be protected.

 “The fundamental liberties of all Christians as guaranteed by the constitution must be protected and upheld. This is essential for Malaysia to move forward as a nation united for peace and prosperity,” said the PKR adviser and Pakatan de-facto chief.

“Let us be committed to a Malaysia of equal partnership and a common goal. My colleagues in Pakatan Rakyat and I have worked hard over the years to reaffirm our commitment to a Malaysia for all Malaysians.”

Walk your talk, Christians tick off Najib

In remarks made at a Christmas Day hi-tea, Najib was on the defensive. He insisted that the Christian community have not been marginalised. “I don’t want to be Prime Minister for only a particular section of the community,” asserted Najib. “I’m Prime Minister for all Malaysians, and I’ve said that repeatedly.”

However, Najib, who is also the UMNO President, drew cynical reactions including from the highest levels of the Christian community.

Malaysian Christians have been angered at the PM’s deafening silence over a series of incidents since the 2010 church arson attacks. These include UMNO groups ‘mocking’ their faith by accusing several priest of trying to overthrow the government and replacing Najib with a Christian Prime Minister. Ongoing apostasy accusations, raids and the unresolved row over the use of the Allah word are other unhealed wounds.

Bishop Paul“I don’t want to sound churlish, particularly in this Christmas season of goodwill, but if you shake down the PM’s rhetoric, what have you left – syrupy sentiment and clichés that have little or no connection with realities on the ground,” said Bishop Paul Tan Chee Ing, the Head of the Catholic Church of the Melaka-Johor diocese.

“It’s odd that Najib has seen fit to remark that he has to be PM of all of our diverse nation and not just one or another part of it. That he has to say a thing like that shows how far his office has tended to depart from a broad-gauged conception of its responsibilities that now there is the suspicion that it is enthralled to exclusivist notions of its actual import.”

“If he had a broad view of his office, how come when Christians were accused over the last two years of not just being ‘pendatang‘ but sinister fifth-columnists, there was not a word from official quarters to stem that patently false accusation which was aimed at creating suspicion and hatred for Christians on the part of the Muslim majority of this country?” queried the Bishop.

Malaysia Chronicle

36 thoughts on “A Fresh Political Storm is brewing over the Allah Issue

  1. Are we to presume that with the dickhead ‘pragmatic’ suggestion from that moronic PAS information chief that the Christian ‘Allah’ be ‘translated’ to be ‘Tuhan’ – that the Muslim kids can no longer recite the first verse of the Rukun Negara?

    Good. Exclusitivity has it’s privileges. So much for the term ‘People of the Book’. Never meant much to many of us who are nothing more than ‘dhimmis’ in their eyes anyway. The ‘tolerance’ of these rag-heads as i said, is truly skin-deep and they are definitely the weakest link in any ‘chain’ of Being. It may sound petty, but they really do not respect secular Law and legal rulings. I would not demean myself with a theological, philosophical, historical, sociological. cultural, anthropological or even linguistic argument with these morons. All they want are more minarets that resemble their phallus. Prove me wrong.

    As much, as i’m disgusted and repulsed by the repugnant UMNO idiots, i find that underneath all that bullshit ‘Islam for All’ Ragheads lies the beating heart of the Ineffable Monolithic Caliphate, who are basically nothing more than Religious Fascists and Bigots.

    For that, PAS will pay the ultimate price and yes, remain the weakest link in the Opposition. Not that, i do not think the Opposition still stands a chance in GE-13. Cakap tak serupa Bikin, should be their rallying cry of PAS too..

  2. Btw, i forgot: Malays can no longer sing the Negara Ku, as the ‘Tuhan kurniakan..’ would smack them between the eyes and ears with a Triune Heresy! Think about that..

  3. All this argument over religious rights over this issue makes little sense to me. My objection is that ANYONE – I don’t care who including god himself who tells me I can’t use a word in any language, I want no part of and want them no part of me.. Its no less than censoring inside my head. Its sheer stupidity to me..

  4. To some of the PAS ulama , Allah ( the Arabic word ) in the Quran is not the same as God in the Bible.
    So this is an issue of religion !!!
    There will be no end of argument along this thinking .

    Is Tuhan the Malay word for God in the Bible ?
    If not , why not keep the word ” God ” in the Malay translated Bible until Malaysian can find a word in Bahasa Malaysia to mean ” God ” in the Bible.

    We, Malaysians , will become a mockery to the Arabic worlds by arguing among ourselves whether their word Allah can be used to mean God in the Malay translated Bible .

  5. Excuse me, talking in Riddles will not be good : Few Eagles. if any, dare to tread where even Angels dread . My humble view is that we should not ‘politicise’ something that is Sacred, or indulge in Profanity.

    But me too as with everyone else, we are keen to know or learn. I do not profess to know, but it CANNOT be done by mere taking of a Word ” Allah ” and grafting it into the Holy Bible, something revealed through the Holy Koran. So please tell me what exactly is the name revealed in the Christian Holy Book, is it Jehovah ? If so, Cristians have their own ‘ identification ‘ of their Lord, as much as Muslims have in that sacred Name revealed.

    For Muslims, it is not mere Generic like Tuhan, God, Kadwalleh, Waankantaka, ( or Jehovah ? ) – From the four letter ” Alif , Lam , Lam Ha ” ( Allah in Arabic ) comprehends The Ninety-Nine Attribute- Names given, which in turn ‘ describes ‘ The Lord’s Name as ” Sifat Muqhallafah”…describing in the Totality something more Definitive…

    All that is intended to be said here, is that the Koranic-Arabic is a ” Spiritual ” Language….so its no mere utterence of the Sacred Name. Perhaps our Christian Brethren can enlighten us in what particular Language is the Holy Bible revealed, is it Hebrew or in Aramaic, the language used by Jesus Christ ( pbh ) ? So, the Arabic ” spiritual ” language is imperative before even the utterance of the Sacred Name….. period

  6. The Bible is ‘flexible’, and has been translated in all languages. The Torah (Old Testament) is in Hebrew and Greek (Septuagint) and the New Testament was initially in Koine (Common) Greek.

    It is not solely in the realm of religion. It is wholly in the realm of political expediency. The A Revealed Name that happens to be a pre-existing Pagan appellation does not matter. Apparently, what some Muslims in this country are demand a modicum of Apartheid. So be it.. After all the Secular Law often comes into conflict with religious edicts.

    As a non-fundamentalist Christian, i have no qualms about letting the ‘Allah’ be kept exclusively for Malay usage. I can compromise on that, and give time for the printers to reset the type face. But the issue is not Theological, as Christians are strictly Monotheist. Inability to comprehend or experience the Trinity, by others, does not make us less so.

    We therefore need to have two sets of the Rukun Negara and the national anthem – one for the Nons and the other with ‘Allah’substituted – so that the Malays do not get confused – what the Generic name Tuhan actually means.

    Meanwhile, Customs can continue to keep the confiscated al-Kitab in Lockup or even
    burn them. I think we can can afford new ones, without graffiti stamped all over the inner cover.

  7. Salam saudara Din,

    The ‘Word’ Allah is a Muslim and Malay things and with much circumstances in Malaysia.

    Why Lim Guan Eng being non Muslim and non Malay suddenly wants to be inebriated and bothered by the using the ‘Word’ Allah and make special acts about it?

    Why Lim Guan Eng wants to cause the using of the ‘Word’ ‘Allah that would be different in the Malay language Bible for Christian in this country? Christians in Malaysia can do without sleepless night for not using the ‘word’ Allah. By the grace of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost, the Christians have been saved from their sin by Jesus Christ the Lord, and the Christians have been remaining as Christian, and indeed as they are. More to that, they can still be in production for new born Christians.

    In a simple word, the dominant of Malaysian Christian congregations make no fuss about it. This is because they know what it means being a Christian. They have embedded their faith and personally know who was Jesus Christ and who is He really is. So why Lim Guan Eng is so fuss about (What the fuss, nothing happening) using the ‘Word’ Allah and urging the Federal government to allow Christians to use it. We are in heavy, smelling political Chauvinism.

    Thinking about it ,it be better off to refrain the exhortation for using the ‘Word’ Allah in the environment of Muslim majority with the realization of tolerance and acceptance. So let see what the Bible has to say,

    King James 2000 Bible
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    “In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” English Standard Version (©2001)

    What it says, the ‘Word’ is Jesus Christ and Jesus is God and Jesus already existed before the formation of the universe. Here, the Christians have it to themselves, Christ is not only the Son of God but He is God in sprite of Holy Ghost and God the Farther Himself. The Christian has it all , Three in One, The Godheads which is the Christian doctrine. Why Lim Guan Eng bothers about ‘Allah’? Allah to the Muslim is One, the only One.

    Why the Muslim in Malaysia is so apprehensive about using the word Allah in the Malay language Bible? It is about ‘ Akidah’ or Faith in Muslim belief and submission. Allah is synonymous to One, only One. The mother tongue of the Malay is the Malay language. The Malay might be mistaken by the concept of Allah is One if it refers when happen to read the word of ‘Allah’ (Jesus Christ is God in the Godheads) used in the Malay language Bible. As the Trinity in Christianity and Allah is One in Islam, both are doctrine of the believers to their religions.

    Just imagine when the ‘Word’ Allah is used in these forms.

    “In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) , and the Word(Jesus) was with ALLAH, and the Word (Jesus) was ALLAH.” New Living Translation (©2007)

    “In the beginning the Word (Jesus) already existed. The Word (Jesus) was with ALLAH , and the Word (Jesus) was ALLAH.” English Standard Version (©2001)

    John 8:58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus (Allah)answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    Colossians 1:15 He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible ALLAH, the firstborn over all creation.

    Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Jesus of ALLAH.

    With peace in mind and harmony in thoughts and with streams of consciousness, I rest my case in the sprite of peace and harmony:

    Article 11 – Freedom of religion
    Article 11 provides that every person has the right to profess and practice his own religion. Every person has the right to propagate his religion, but state law and, in respect of the Federal Territories, federal law may control or restrict the propagation of any religious doctrine or belief among Muslims. There is, however, freedom to carry on missionary work among non-Muslims.

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  8. Theologically and philosophically speaking, the Muslim worship a Monad.
    The Christians worship a Triune, not a Triad. That is why i find the term ‘Unholy Trinity’ offensive and repugnant, as the word Trinity implies consubstantial theology. It’s like a man who is a father, son and free spirit, but is still One man.

  9. You guys missed the point. It is not that they don’t know or don’t understand. It is the thought of an increasing number of ‘Malay speaking’, Bible totting, church going, God fearing followers of the son of God praying aloud in churches to Tuhan Allah and Tuhan Yesus and Roh Kudus (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) that sends chills down their spines. The chill is not due to any climate change in Malaysia but the result of brain cells being forced into deep freeze. That way they continue to see ghosts around every corner.

  10. C.L.Familiaris,
    RUKUN NEGARA
    Kepercayaan Kepada Tuhan
    Kesetiaan Kepada Raja dan Negara
    Keluhuran Perlembagaan
    Kedaulatan Undang-undang
    Kesopanan dan Kesusilaan

    To the Muslims Allah is the One and only God (Tuhan). There is no other God, the God to whom we Muslims submit (sembah and sujud) during our SOLAT (Prayers) 5 times a day and during the Friday prayers.

    Dalam Islam kita orang Muslim tidak boleh samakan ALLAH (mengikut Al Quran) dengan Tuhan yang dipuja oleh orang yang bukan beragama Islam iaitu memuja patong, salib dll.

    “Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan” is to each his own. Your (non-Muslims) God (Tuhan) is your God according to your religion. Our (Muslims) God (Tuhan) is Allah according to Islam, the Quran, the Sunnah and the Shahadah and our Faith – Rukun Islam and Rukun Iman.

    How can we accept it the same when there is the differences in the faith, belief and the way we pray and submit and sembah.

  11. Tuan Adam,

    As i have shown before, the (sembah) prostration by Muslims is the same as among the Early Christians and is still practiced on a daily basis by the Oriental and Syriac Orthodox Christians and occasionally by ‘normal’ Christians like us, who acquired from the Ancient Jews. The Christians do not consider prostration only as ‘Submission’, but seeking Salvation, Divine Mercy for their sins and as a sign of absolute Humility before God Almighty.

    Since some Trinitarian Christians recite the Apostles or Nicene Creed in this manner:
    * God the Father = Allah Bapa;
    * Lord Jesus = Tuhan Isa al-Masih;
    * Holy Spirit = Roh Kudus;
    I guess they would have to change that to to: Tuhan, Bapa yang Maha Kuasa; Tuan (Tuhan) Isa al-Masih and Roh Suci, Tuan (Tuhan) dan Pemberi Nyawa.
    Yes, Tuhan is derived from Tuan.
    Imagine the ‘Confusion’..

    So Tuhan is a generic term huh? Okay. I rest my case.

  12. Scratch a bit of Meccan pagan history would reveal the existence of 3 temples to 3 goddesses: al-Lat, al-Manat and al-Uzza where offerings were made by caravans of traders entering or leaving the city. In modern day speak, these offerings were actually taxes.

    In the city centre however there was a building known as the Cube or Kaaba where there were hundreds of idols of gods. One of these statues was called al-Lah meaning the god, just god unlike others which symbolise wealth god, war god, love god, rain god and what have you.

    Then came the Old Testament God I Am, the New Testament God Three-in One and Muhammad ibn Abdullah of Banu Hashim family who adopted al-Lah and became his Prophet through a series of revelations and later compiled as the Quran.

    Thus the term Allah evolved from al-Lah.

    But the question in the Malaysian context is should the use of this term be politicised and driven and decided by politicians? I do not believe so. The first word in the Quran is Iqraq and herein lies the answer. So if the politicians or even the Islamic religious scholars think the term Allah should only be reserved for Muslims in Malaysia then they have to read more including why the term Allah is used by
    Bahá’ís, Arabic-speakers, Indonesians, Malaysians, Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.

  13. Nah, Bean. Hate to say it – you’re wrong this time.
    Islam is strong, tangible, logical and upright. Assuredly, they will Rule.
    Christianity is weak. That’s why the trembling and fear of God among weaklings like us. Strange that we should claim God as Love Incarnate. Perhaps, we are the ones ‘weak in the head’.
    The Sikhs on the other hand, will have a hard time as the Bengali term for God is Allah, as written in their Scripture. I’m sure Mr Singh has something to say.., but he has disappeared.
    Any Bahai around?

  14. Er, one more thing, what is ‘memuja patong dan salib’?
    Any idea? Because, methinks this guy has got his backwards, forwards. Just like calligraphy, minarets and domes are symbols of his religion.
    For Whom the Bells Toll?
    Remember, the young man who was arrested for taking down a portrait on a flag hung outside the UMNO HQ some time ago? Obviously, he felt that was iconography, and he’s an unrepentant iconoclast.

  15. As someone who used to live in the Middle East, I am very puzzled by the argument put forth by readers like Polong G Mali and Adam. The Christian bible used in the Middle East uses the word Allah. If they are conversant in Arabic they can download the Arabic bible and read it. There is no confusion in THE Middle East. In fact as another reader had pointed out, the word Allah has been in use since the earliest days.

    Polong G Mali claims that his aqidah will affected if the Christians used the word Allah in their bible. Adam has got it further mixed up by implying that HE would be committing shirk if the Christians used the term Allah in their Bible! What are these two doing reading the bible? If these two are muslims they would be well advised to start reading the Al Quran and get back to the basics of Islam rather than engaging in pseudo-religious argument and thereby further endangering their aqidah.

  16. While you guys are getting your knickers all twisted up over nothing, kindly gloss over the article I came across:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God

    Apparently, only the Arabs refer to GOD as ALLAH. Even the Jews refer to GOD as YAHWEH or Adonai or Elohim although the Jewish word for GOD derives from “EL”
    Since, the Malays , Muslims or Christians are not ARABS, they should all refer to GOD as TUHAN, the Malay word for GOD. Period.
    The English are happy with GOD, Germans with GOTT, the Spaniards with DIOS, the French with DIEU, the Chinese with SHANGTI but you lot are not with TUHAN.
    I am sure the Arabs are laughing their arses off that you lot are trying to be more Arabic than the Arabs.
    Chillax folks and enjoy the festive season. May TUHAN bless you all. :)

  17. “Perhaps, we are the ones ‘weak in the head’.
    The Sikhs on the other hand, will have a hard time ” — CLF

    One thing followers of Guru Nanak are not, is that they are not soft in the head. Hussin can testify to that.

  18. ocho onda, from the thread you have given, that because ” God ” is a Spiritual Entity, therefore Man seeking for the One God of the Universe, by ALL the Names given by ALL the Religions, is INEXHAUSTIBLE – No Beginning, No Ending or Endless…..
    But that does not mean No Seeking, yes Mankind must keep on seeking….
    The oft-repeated penchant by Meister Eckhart, a contemporary of Al’Rumi, says : ‘The Universe is a vast game of hide-and-seek, a cosmic treasure hunt, where the Hidden Treasure is God ” – Name the God by whatever Name, Holy Name or Sacred Name, Eckhart says that we have to seek the Hidden Treasure, albeit the Spiritual Treasure.

    i do not profess to know the ‘ methodology’ of other Faiths in the seeking, but the Koranic-Arabic which is in the most part a ” Spiritual” language, it does offer a ‘clue’ to begin the journey ( viz. journey to God, Allah ). Koranic : ” Awaluddin Ma’arifathul’Lah ” . Translated, it means ‘ The beginning of Religion is knowing God ‘. There is a conandrum here ( Arabic : Muttashabbih ), that without knowing God, one has then NOT begun his religion….
    A good parable is The Parable Of The Pearl Diver…..

  19. My dear ocho,

    It has nothing to do with terminology or even the Name.
    It has to do with the 17th century translation of the term by the missionaries who used the term – and has since been used by Christian speakers of Austronesian tongue in here parts.

    What has happened, is the sudden Political insistence that the Word is Revealed only to Submitters and thus Sacredly Exclusive to them. It has become a Brand Name – like Coca Cola, Mosanto, Windows or KFC. Thus – no ‘Fakes’ please.., they are the Original Recipe.

    We might not be theologically inclined, but this is just another hypocrisy that serves to divide and impose Apartheid. Inclusiveness, is inimical to followers of Hard Law and Legalists, who read the letter of the Law, without the moral and ethical implications.

    I for one, am not quarrelling with their interpretation, but their Motives.

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  21. “I for one, am not quarreling with their interpretation, but their Motives.” – C.L. Familiaris December 29, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Totally agree with you there, CLF. Perhaps if these people will stop babbling and refer to the Towel of Babel, they will understand that it is God’s intention that humans are scattered all over the Earth , into many nations speaking many languages.
    It is indeed sad that over the ages of time, in its process of translation,this simple truth and its interpretation, is lost and thwarted by the inflated egos of the interpretors.
    They seem to forget that GOD is so omni potent and omni present that HE/SHE/IT is endeared to and addressed by the peoples of GOD by many names.
    At the end of the day, I am sure GOD will not be offended if HE is called TUHAN, as long as it is TUHAN and not HANTU.

    It is just like a doctor telling Joe his patient to stop calling the posterior muscle of his lower extremity the gastrocnemius but the calf muscle instead, because only doctors can use the word ” gastrocnemius” and that common pedestrians like Joe can only use the word “calf ” :)

  22. That was the reason why i opined earlier, why it ought not be superimposed, like grafting One Word ” Allah ” from the Koranic on to the Holy Bible; because Lolong G Mail has put it very clearly (3.44pm Dec 28 ), the Anachronistic Situation that is bound to arise viz : In Which in the first part of King James Bible 2000 has put the Christian Faith regarding the Truine Concept, Jesus to be the Begotten Son of God, God-Incarnate and as the God-Father Himself.
    In the Secont part of Lolong’s IF ” Allah ” is grafted ( like bud-grafting ) , the INEVITABLE Conclusion which Muslims will be LED TO BELIEVE that ” Allah ” IS Jesus Christ – which in the Koran it is Not ! In the Koran, Allah The Most High is One, Nothing like unto Him….whilst all the Prophets including Muhammad & Jesus (pbh) are regarded ” Prophets ” , Not ” God ” –
    If i may add, both Belief-system or faith ( Iman ) are built upon its own total Structure. The Analogy of the Structure is the image of the Triangle, like the Pyramid, from the total broad-base, it leads step-by-step CONVERGING to the Pinnacle, the Single-Point, in which to the Christians its ” Jesus Christ the God, whereas its ALLAH to the Muslims….
    Q : How can Anyone superimpose one total Structure upon the other, which leads to DIFFERENT Conclusions ?
    So, no ” politikus’ please, and it is simply Mischievous to do Grafting…..with just One Word….
    Everyone in the world uses the Word ‘Allah ‘ , yes in manner of Discourse & Learning & Scholarship whatever, Why Not ? – But ” superimposition ” will be a Fake….Both Revelations must stay as the Sacrosanct ” Revelations ” standing upon its own Structure.

  23. The thing that can confuse us is this. Allah is the One and only God or Tuhan. For the Muslims they follow the Quran and the Hadis of the Prophet to pray and submit to Allah 5 times a day, different from the way the present day Christians praying to their Lord in the Bible. If Allah in the Bible can be worshipped the way the Christians worshipped Him in the Church why are we Muslims worshipping Him the way we do?

    —-
    You have not address the issue of ALLAH. This is because you ignored the historical facts. The term Allah was used by pre-Islamic Arabia . Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Kaaba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims including this Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria ( who’s mute against corruptions and abuse of power) become angry when they are confronted with this fact. Read this link : http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/embrace-islam-if-you-want-to-use-allah-harussani-tells-non-muslims/

    But history is not on his side and the pre-Islamic literature has proved this. What is these fuss about? If not politics ? — Din Merican

  24. Dato’ Din,

    I beg to differ…Whilst it’s true that “Allah” was already been worshipped by Arab pagans at the Ka’aba before Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), it suffice to say that those “worshipping” were only false submission towards the deities (patung-patung yang dibina olih kaum Quraish)…Thus many believed the word “Allah” is classical Arab meaning “God” ( atau “Tuhan” dalam B.Melayu).

    WALAUBAGAIMANA PUN anda perlu faham “Allah” sebagaimana yang dimaksudkan dalam Al-Quran adalah Tuhan yang sangat berbeza dan berlainan dengan “Allah” yang disembah orang Arab di zaman jahiliah sebelum kemunculan Nabi Muhammad s.a.w…Walaupun dari aspek bahasanya bermaksud “Tuhan”, kerana Allah yang dinyatakan didalam Al-Quran itu adalah Tuhan yang sebenarnya yangsatu …Iaitu Allah Yang Esa, tidak beranak dan diperanakan, sapertimana Tuhan Jesus.

    Sekian,terima kasih.
    ________________
    You have not answered why this matter is raised in 2012. I have given you my answer.–Din Merican

  25. If a True Muslim ever hears how Christians pray, he can never be confused on what each term of the Trinitarian God we are referring to. All Christians pray to God, the Father, through the Son and by the Holy Spirit. It’s as natural to us, as mother’s milk. You have been fed on a different neonatal diet, so don’t blame us. We know and experience WHO is God – our God anyway.

    You insist your exclusive ‘revealed’ God. Our Revelation is not your Revelation – so what’s your beef?

    The Christian Austronesians (excluding the localized legal definition of ‘Malay’), just use it in their own mother tongue and also educated in it – as it is. And we believe, that since it has been used all these centuries without contention, they be allowed to continue using it in their prayers and Holy Scripture.

    You guys keep on insisting we are ‘grafting’ because of your own ignorance and incapacity to understand. But we are not ignorant nor do we disbelieve – you are. It’s your problem, not ours. We are not interested in adding to your ‘Confusion’ nor are we demanding Political redress. The person(s) responsible for this used Legal methods for political brownie points. Therefore, we had to seek Legal redress. Like that also cannot see..

    The term: ‘Allah’, that has been the Bone of Contention, really has no bones for you to
    contend for. Or is there?

  26. Dato’ Din, I’m no politician, as such will distant myself as possible from commenting matters that best reserved to those concerned…However when religious issues were dragged “topsy-turvy” by politicians affecting faith and our beliefs, it’s our responsibility and everyone right to give the correct perspective on such issues without misleading anybody…

    No doubt politics is a double-edged sword, a zero-sum game and the dirtiest…”Kawan jadi lawan, lawan jadi kawan, kawan makan kawan… and what else??… It’s the art of the possible…

  27. The only ones’ confused are the Politikus and their wannabes.
    Their Faith is so shaky, that they insist on what they cannot interpret.
    I understand the Monadic concept, but experience the Triune Doctrine and Mystery.
    I don’t need a PhD or DD (not bra size), for that.
    Can or not?

  28. Good Question, what’s the beef ? Although its true even pagans had used the Kalimah Allah before the Koran was revealed, most prayed to their Deties as stone Idols. Eg : Hubal, the Nabatiyan Deity perched in the Ka;aba – all that because, when the Arabian Prophet arrived, he abolished due to deviations & distortions from the time of Father Abraham.

    With all due respects, its better to keep my terse language & confine it to this condensed way of saying it : If ” Allah ” is used in the Malay Language version of the Bible ( which was never in its Revelation ), that because Bible desribes your ” God “‘ / Tuhan as Nabi Isa Anak Tuhan, Tuhan yang Menjelma di-Dunia, Isa juga Tuhan saperti Ayah nya di-Langit, so Nabi Isa is the Proper Name of the Christian God.

    THE NAME ” ALLAH ” REVEALED IN THE KORAN ( which came as a Confirmation By Muhammad pbh) IS THE ” PROPER ” NAME for those in Islam, who surrenders & Submits as Abraham had done eons ago. By interpolating & Grafting the Islamic Name of God ” Allah ” into the Malay version of the Bible, So the Christian God has TWO Names – One is ISA Ibni Maryam, and then his Name is ALSO ” Allah “. in the Malay Version. MIND YOU, ALLAH IS A PROPER ” NAME ” OF A ‘ GOD” /Lord of the Universe. Although He is The Tuhan, His Proper Name is Allah. ( Its The NAME ). –

    Muslims object ONLY because if it appears in the Malay-translated Bible, the Conclusion is INCORRECT since to the Malay-Muslims, IT IS NABI ISA WHO IS NOW ” ALLAH ” ( Two Names ) of Two Different ” Persons ” )
    It will be very Artificial if The Proper Name ” Allah ” appears in the Bible, which was NEVER there right from the Christian Revelations ( Old & New Testaments ) –

    LET’s LEAVE THEIR RESPECTIVE REVELATIONS AS THEY ARE, Why Interpolate “

  29. Btw, INTERPOLATION IS DISHONESTY, PUTTING SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT THERE…..To Allah in Islam its a serious Breach ( Mendua – Kan Tuhan )

  30. Ah.., then you’re insisting on your interpretation of Theology and Semantics, which i said i wouldn’t want to go into.

    It’s actually true that we seem to be Heretics in Islam, just as Christians see the Muslims completely reducing the Divine Revelation about what God says about Himself in the heritage of the Old and New Testament. Yes, some of the most beautiful names in human language are given to the God of the Quran. But Islam is not a religion of Redemption. There is no room for the Crucifixion and the Resurrection as the tragedy of the redemption is completely absent. Therefore, not only is the Theology, but also the Anthropology of Islam remains very distant from Christianity.

    As i also said, the ‘grafting’ needs to be understood in the context of historicity. It was never intentional nor meant to ‘confuse’ anyone. Most Christians look in wondrous awe, at how many Malays see themselves, as keepers of the Arabic language.

  31. Dato’ Din,

    Thank you Dato’. I agree with what Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria the Mufti of Perak said to Malaysia Insider as above. Tan Sri Zakaria (http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harussani_Zakaria) is the Mufti of Perak appointed to hold that post by the Sultan of Perak.

    The Perak Mufti has knowledge on Islam, the Quran and the Hadis. To me his comments has nothing to do with politics, with UMNO or BN. His comments are about Islam and the understanding of the Al Quran and the Hadis. He is telling and advising the Malays and Muslims not to be cobfused with the “Allah” the One and only God in the Quran with the “Allah” in the Bible or Bibles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible) of the Christians.

    The Quran has 30 Surah or chapters and every Chapter begin with BismillahirRahmanirRahim with the Arabic spelling of ALLAH “Alif Lam Lam Ha”, the One and only God like the 3 Chapters below:

    http://www.alquran-english.com/109-al-kafirun/
    http://www.alquran-english.com/112-al-ikhlas/
    http://www.alquran-english.com/114-an-nas/

    The Christians refer “Allah” as Jesus Christ as God, the Father and some as Son of God. Forgive me if I am wrong.

    Malaysia is a democratic country so the Non-Muslims can continue their religious rights as what is explained in http://www.alquran-english.com/109-al-kafirun/ and in our Federal constitution.

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