Presidential Debate Round 2: Advantage Obama


October 19, 2012

Presidential Debate Round  2: Advantage Obama

by P. Gunasegaram (10-18-12)@http://www.thestar.com.my

Obama may have won the latest debate against Romney but that does not mean he has won the elections – not yet.

I JUST got off the TV after watching a gripping debate between US President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney on CNN. It was a pleasure to see how both of them articulated their positions well.

I could not help wondering when we can have debates like that on local TV. Ah, well.

I have not looked at all the verdicts on the debate (this is the second and there is one more to come) but to my mind, Obama came out the clear winner. His views and policies not only came across much more convincingly, he presented them strongly and eloquently.

If he lost the first debate (I did not see that one), then he won this one hands down, often having Romney on the ropes on many issues where Romney’s positions just did not seem to hold water or much sense.

However, debates by themselves don’t decide an election. If it’s issues and their handling which will decide it, it is clearly Obama who has the edge. Here are 10 reasons why I think Obama should win, the operative word being “should”.

1. Obama’s arguments are more substantive. A key part of the debate was the issue of job creation and high unemployment with Romney saying that 23 million Americans did not have jobs. But Obama inherited an economy teetering on the brink of collapse after George Bush’s stewardship.

Obama has salvaged the economy from the brink of disaster and jobs are being created again while they were being destroyed when Obama first became president. Not only in jobs but in other issues as well his plans have more substance then Romney’s.

2. He is doing something. As Obama has mentioned the record shows that more jobs are being created, tax rates have been cut for the middle class, tax rules are being changed to ensure that companies don’t get too many tax breaks, and a revised healthcare programme has been implemented amongst others.

3. He is checking the excesses of big business and Wall Street. While people have short memories, it is not going to be so short that they don’t remember that greed and the excessive pursuit of profit at the expense of everything else led to the meltdown of the financial markets. Obama is putting in place measures to check the excesses of Wall Street but he is facing obstacles at every turn from Republicans who are backed strongly by big business. His attempts to check big business are likely to get widespread backing.

4. He is more equitable. Obama has rightly targeted the middle and lower classes, reducing taxes for the lower income group and small businesses and providing for more social help through health and educational programmes. He also comes across more strongly for women’s rights, including providing contraceptives for women.

5. He got Osama. It may be fortuitous, but during Obama’s tenure, Osama ben Laden, the Saudi Arabian terrorist who masterminded the attack on the twin towers and other targets in the US, was tracked and gunned down in Pakistan and his body buried at sea. That is a major victory for the US in the war against the al-Qaeda.

6. He is disengaging militarily. At the same time, Obama is making sure that the US starts to reduce its military role globally. Much of Iraq’s security roles have been handed over to local authorities and he is planning to withdraw in stages from Afghanistan too. That he has been able to do this without any loss of face for the US is another feather in his cap.

7. His response to the Libyan episode is measured. At the debate he accepted personal responsibility for anything that may have contributed to the death of the US ambassador to Libya and others, such as not responding to requests for additional security. Even when the news came out, his response was to investigate first and not to react on impulse. Obama castigated Romney for making political capital of the issue.

8. He has a better handle on international economics. Romney has embarked on a path of attacking China for US job woes, saying that the depressed Chinese currency gave it a trade advantage.

But he does not seem to recognise that the cost of manufacturing many goods in China is much lower than in the US and that the US has to shift its manufacturing focus to goods which have more value added. Obama recognises that, saying that not all manufacturing jobs will come back to the US but still has policies to make manufacturing more competitive in the US.

9. Romney is for big business. Romney comes across as someone that big business has put on the slate to check what is perceived as Obama’s unfriendliness to them. While he talks about free enterprise and the need for that to create jobs, he does not explain why big business should be favoured and how he plans to get more taxes from the rich.

Because of low capital gains taxes and other allowances, the rich often pay less in percentage terms for taxes compared to the middle class. Romney’s tax rate itself was a mere 14% and Obama was quick to point out that Romney was quoted as having said that this was fair.

10. Romney does not show how he wants to cut the budget deficit. Although Romney berates Obama for not bringing down the deficit (Obama could not have because the economy was slumping and needed an injection of money), he does not show how he proposes to cut the deficit.

In fact, his programmes, if carried out in full, will tend to increase the deficit.At the end of the day, issues and their handling often but not always determine election results. There are lots of interplay in elections and it is difficult to predict who will win.

I am giving reasons why Obama should win the elections. That I think gives him a definite edge but until the votes are cast, anything can happen.

**P. Gunasegaram says that at least in one respect there is much to be said for the US system of elections – we know when the election will take place.

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16 thoughts on “Presidential Debate Round 2: Advantage Obama

  1. Americans will make their choice on November 6 whether Obama stays President for a second term. It is the choice. I am partial towards Obama, not because he is a democrat, but because he will be good for the Asia-Pacific. I said that before. Furthermore, I do not want to see the return of the Neo-Cons to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    8 years of neo-con influence over Bush 2 have done so much damage to the US economy, and American prestige and influence abroad. Obama will use soft power and diplomacy as first option because he knows the limits of American military power. –Din Merican

  2. As Obama said at the dinner thrown by the Catholic Church as is customary at this stage, he came to New York where he attended college and had taken time to do some shopping in some of the stores while Mitt Romney goes shopping for some stores. That says it all. That was before rich kid mormon Romney said Obama came into the upscale hotel and saw dinner being served and thought “there isso little time left and so much to redistribute” – so little time because according to Romney this will be his last remaining months.

    As is the tradition at this dinner both sitting President and wannabe President are invited to make self-deprecating jokes and a few zingers giving the other the elbow, someone keeping track says Obama makes more self-deprecating jokes while Mitt Romney took the opportunity to even up the scores he lost at the second presidential debate. Typical of a guy who has no respect for the sitting President of the United States.

    At the second debate he took on the moderator as he did in the first, and even invaded the President’s personal space. His son said afterwards over radio, for calling his dad a liar (Obama never did) he would have climbed on stage and make his feeling known had it not been for the Secret Service. This family’s behavior is so unpresidential to say the least. Mitt Romney is unfit to occupy the Oval Office. He is so desperate for a victory and constantly changes his position on the issues. Worse. He politicised the deaths of the U.S. Ambassador and three others to drive home the point that U.S. foreign policy is in shambles all because of Obama.

  3. I’m looking forward to the third and last debate. Obama will expose Romney for his simplistic, naive world view. This is the same guy who forgot to mention the war in Afghanistan in his Republican Party Convention speech while his wife came on stage to give her speech in support of her husband, wearing a US$6,000 plus dollar dress compared to Michelle Obama’s US$340 dress at the Democratic Party Convention..

  4. Lets face it, the truth is USA is pure capitalism in their pscyhe and they dont want Obama to win. Obama needs more years to change this around. Americans do not get it when he talks of medical health for everyone. They think the others are living off their wealth,well those rich ones do. I find this very very strange .

    Then again, Dato, do you not think Obama is too soft with those Talibans. Negotiations is something they dont understand,they dont want and he is not forceful enough with them.

  5. especially in the light off that 14 yr old child that was hunted down and shot by them all because she wanted education. Time for USA to put them in their place I think. That event should be the final straw for the Moslem world to know that these made insane people needs to be stopped once and for all,shouldn’t it?

    That little girl said I pray for peace for my country but if that doesn’t happen I want USA or China to come in and help us. I hope God grants her wish.

  6. Now now now Kathy, you can’t ask the Great Satan to help the little girl. Muslims must tackle the Taliban issues themselves, can’t have the Christian and Jewish soldiers fight for the rights of Muslims. Have Muslims lost the willpower to uphold the values of Islam?

    If the US goes in to tackle the Taliban, doesn’t that constitute foreign intervention in domestic issues, or interferring in the already inflamed Islam versus the West issues. Already on this blog many commentators have expressed their feelings towards the US as new colonialist, gun boat policies, being the policeman of the world etc etc. Muslims like the young Pakistani girls reach out and call on the US to help her but the raghead Mullahs will play this to the max. Muslims will follow like a pack of hyenas without thinking.

    Damn if the US do and damn if it doesn’t. Just take a look at Libya, Egypt and Syria. Their citizens call on the US for help but once they gain whatever it is they seek, then it’s time to go and attack the US Embassy and everything US. They still need to understand the US Constitution and why the US is doing what it in the establishment of democracy.

  7. btw you dont have to preach to me, its them self righteous ones tht need to decide what they want. Whether they want freedom for their children or not. We know they dont. But they dont matter anymore, they have crossed the line once too many times. So I say, let this little girls prayer be answered. She is the only one who has any sense at all.

  8. Not preaching to you Kathy, just to the other Muslims on Din’s Blog and to the rest that follow their egghead leaders calling themselves Mullahs. Mull the issue before following blindly, oh Muslims.
    ______________
    Akal untuk befikir, mata untuk melihat, telingar untuk mendengar dan mulut untuk bercakap. Gunakan semua untuk mengenali Tuhan dan anggap Al-Quran sebagai lampu untuk menerangi dunia yang gelap ini.–Din Merican

  9. “Then again, Dato, do you not think Obama is too soft with those Talibans” — Kathy

    Republicans are by tradition hawkish about foreign policy. They want to play the role of policeman to the world. You just cannot do it. Mitt Romney has re-introduced cold war rhetoric into his stump speeches – calling Russis geo political enemy of the United States even before he took office. If he becomes President the world will become a more dangerous place than it already is. He has no foreign policy experience. Look at what happened with his first overseas mission. He had to make a fast exit out of the first country he visited with the British media chasing after him. That should give a clue as to how his foreign policy is gonna look and feel like.

    Mitt Romney thinks Obama is too soft with China and says if he becomes President his first task is to take China to task. It is not like China’s premier is going to bend over and let him stick his thumb in his ass. China is the largest holder of U.S. Treasury Bills and all it has to do is unload its stock of U.S. T/Bs into the world market and the U.S. dollar will take an immediate hit losing as much as half the value in nanoseconds.

    Mitt Romney is dishonest and will take any position vis-a-vis social issues and has taken different positions deemed politically expedient for the moment. He has a burning desire to be President and would give head to Donald Trump at a drop of the coin if that means getting to occupy the Oval Office.

    Semper fi, please explain to Kathy what ‘gives head’ means.

  10. With China it is about pulling the right levers and pushing buttons on the different issues. But jobs are gonna be lost and some jobs will never return to the U.S. It is just a fact that Americans will have to live with.

    The long term solution would have to be through American ingenuity, in technology and a massive investment in education to bring back the U.S. to where it was In the meantime, standard of living will rise in places like China at the expense of living standards in the U.S. The sooner American leadership comes to terms with the ‘new normal’ the better.

    Meanwhile I am packing my bags to go to China to open its first VIP Emperor’s Club.

  11. What we do know for certain is that the uncertainty has ravaged the stock market yesterday. And average Americans have taken to the streets to earn their meals for the day.

  12. Dato Din, sambut salam mesra dari hati murni seorang insan terhadap ungkapan Dato : Akal untuk berfikir, mata untuk melihat, telinga untuk mendengar dan mulut untuk bercakap. Guna kan semua untuk mengenali Tuhan dan anggap Al-Quran sebagai lampu untuk menerangi dunia yang gelap ini.

    Merupa kan pengkhususan dan kemuncak segala Ilmu yang tersurat mahu pun yang tersirat, ada lah ” mengenali ”
    sebalik segala Rahsia dan muk’jizat Kitab Suchi yang di-Annugerahi oleh Yang Maha Esa kepada makhluk sejagat.
    Tidak ada ” penhasilan ” ilmu jika umat manusia hanya membca – Iqraq.
    Salam mesra yang ikhlas…. ( ma’af if i have digressed )

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