BERSIH’s Ambiga -MP Khairy Jamaluddin on Electoral Reform


April 26, 2012

BERSIH’s Ambiga -MP Khairy Jamaluddin on Electoral Reform

Can we trust the Election Commission? Listen intensely to the debate and then decide whether you wish to attend the BERSIH3.0 sit down rally on April 28, 2011 at Dataran Merdeka, Kuala Lumpur. –Din Merican

48 hour Lock Down on Dataran Merdeka starting 6.00am April 27, 2012

http://www.malaysiakini.com(04-26-12) reports:

Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) will enforce a 48 hour lock down on Dataran Merdeka from 6am tomorrow morning.

In a statement date this evening, Kuala Lumpur Mayor Tan Sri Ahmad Fuad Ismail said restriction will be enforced based on Local Government (Dataran Merdeka) (Federal Territory of Kuala Lumpur) By-Laws 1992 and Section 65 of the Local Government Act 1976.

NONEAhmad Fuad (right) said the restriction will be lifted at 6am on Sunday morning.

The short one-paragraph statement was issued late this evening.This comes just 24 hours after a meeting between Ahmad Fuad and BERSIH 3.0’s steering committee broke down.

Yesterday, Ahmad Fuad had urged BERSIH to move its BERSIH 3.0 rally  away from Dataran Merdeka, citing security concerns and public order.

However, BERSIH is adamant on holding the rally at Dataran Merdeka because it was too late to change venues as many of its supporters may not receive the instruction in time.

NONEBERSIH co-chairperson Ambiga Sreenevasan said that there will be a bigger problem for the authorities if the group had to turn away people from Dataran Merdeka and re-direct them to Stadium Merdeka, which is about a kilometre away.

When informed about the matter, the student groups that are currently occupying Dataran Merdeka said they will not budge unless threatened.

Another group, Occupy Dataran, which has joined the student’s sit-in – now in its 13th day – said they will convene a meeting a midnight before deciding on their next move.

33 thoughts on “BERSIH’s Ambiga -MP Khairy Jamaluddin on Electoral Reform

  1. The world is watching us on April 28, 2012. It will now take an act of leadership from the Prime Minister to stop a possible brutal punishment by the Police on BERSIH3.0 supporters. So far, the Prime Minister has left the matter in the hands of the Mayor of Kuala Lumpur, the Police and the FRU. –Din Merican

  2. A potentially interesting debate absolutely spoilt by poor sound quality. Surely there are experts out there who can be called upon to ensure that the echo in the hall is cut out so that we may take in the proceedings without straining to hear.

    I have come across so many such debates… all ruined by poor sound quality.
    __________
    Small matter.We are interested in your comments on the debate itself. Do you trust the EC?–Din Merican

  3. The world is watching us on April 28, 2012 — Dato

    The world doesn’t care. The rest of the world has too much on its plate to care about what is happening in a third world country few have ever heard of.

  4. God is too busy fighting two wars on two fronts to have time. There is a mad man flexing his muscles with a show of missiles which turn out to be props who doesn’t believe God exists.

  5. Mr Bean, the part of the world with interests in malaysia are indeed watching us; also in order to warn their own citizens to get them out of malaysia if trouble starts. UK, US, France and Germany are interested in whats going on here as they have investments here. the same with Singapore, Indonesia, Phillipines, India and China because they have their citizens here. true to what you say, nobody will care for the malaysians.
    even our own politicians don’t care about us so how can we expect others to do that. we are a bunch of born losers, as Frank says.

  6. And the emperor Nero continues to fiddle away as Rome burns
    ( and his wife the empress still buying herself new clothes in Sydney too!)

  7. I think the expressed lack of confidence on EC is a proper representation for big portion of the population. Assuming the clean and fair election is the goal for both Bersih and EC, it seems to be natural for EC to have members sent by both ruling coalition and opposition to monitor and approve the registration and election related processes. So, a simple and fundamental question, is EC for clean and fair election?

    This is politic and election, the fairness has be build on the basis of “check and balance”, not on wishful thinking. In the real politic, there is no such thing as “trust me first” — unless we confuse it with religions or things of that nature.

    Election is a bare-knuckle fight. Electoral mapping and election processes have be fought-out in bare-knuckle manner too. I think we should throw away the notion of independent EC, and adopt bi-partisan (or bi-coalition) EC.

    So, if no one from opposition stands up to say he is a member of EC and says the process is fair, then the process must not be considered fair. Period.

  8. Come the hour, may the Water Dragon bless the protesters with his holy sky juice in times of need.

  9. “Mr Bean, the part of the world with interests in malaysia are indeed watching us; also in order to warn their own citizens to get them out of malaysia if trouble starts. UK, US, France and Germany are interested in whats going on here as they have investments here” — reeperbahn

    The U.S. has not issued, has never issued any travel advisory warnings – like it did for countries like Indonesia on various occassions. That alone speaks volumes. You’re over reacting. Malaysians have more sense than that. It will be business as usual after Saturday. A few would pose for the camera and get their faces in local papers.

    You may think Malaysia is at the center of the universe. But it is not.

  10. Nothing new from umno or Khairy there.
    Does it really takes more than 50 years just to make some simple democratic electoral reforms? BERSIH is not just about General Election’s issues but it includes the demand for Local Government Election or the Third Vote
    Is electing the town / city mayor too much of a problem and it will cost Billions?

  11. Do you see Malaysia in this list. The closest is Philippines in January this year.

    Travel Warnings are issued when long-term, protracted conditions that make a country dangerous or unstable lead the State Department to recommend that Americans avoid or consider the risk of travel to that country. A Travel Warning is also issued when the U.S. Government’s ability to assist American citizens is constrained due to the closure of an embassy or consulate or because of a drawdown of its staff. The countries listed below meet those crithttp://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.htmleria.

  12. Malaysia being watched by the world? No, not a bit. We are making too much of it if we believe this line. I too think that it will be business as usual after Saturday.

    But that does not diminish the demands of Bersih… it is just that, I for one, feel they by not agreeing to alter the venue they are missing a second chance to make a sensible impact.

    Demonstrations in the streets is not the way and should not be.
    ___________
    Businessmen are too focused on the short term, about today’s business. They must know that a corrupt government is like a tax burden on their profits and will drag them down when there is social unrest. Isa, are you a businessman of this sort?

    We as citizens want honest government. We must,therefore, be given the freedom to make our choices in a free and fair elections. Clean up the electoral rolls, undertake electoral reforms and stop gerrymandering.–Din Merican

  13. The EC is another apparatus of the govt . Asking the people whether it can be trusted is like asking them whether they have faith in sprrm to eradicate corruption , the pdrm to fight crime , the judiciary to uphold justice and the govt of the day to deliver… If the answer is a big NO , then its justified for the populace to go and do what The Doobie Brothers say ‘ taking it to the streets’

  14. Imagine Malaysians singing this song, “Jangan percaya mulut lelaki, berani sumpah tapi takut mati … lol. I think it is time you guys choose another song to sing and call it your national anthem. Somehow I think Old Frank would choose Daisy Daisy.

    Here is the University of Malaya Theme Song of the 1960s and 1970s by Nat King Cole. Frank will remember this.

  15. This is probably the first time since Independence that BN has had to fight for lives to be in power. See what demand by M’sians can do. M’sians are the Bossess not those public servants.

    We will support you M’sians through Global Bersih. We are proud of you and love M’sia very much.

  16. YB Khairy is a skilled propagandist for Malaysia’s ruling and increasingly right-wing regime .A Malaysian version of Marine Le Pen, although probably much more politically opportunistic.

    The propagand technique he used at the beginning of his speech is called
    “false analogy” i.e. he claimed affinity with Ambiga by saying that he was also tear-gassed at Bersih 2.0

    But he and his band were there for a different purpose i.e. to oppose Bersih 2.0 and not to support it. Also, his band of UMNO redshirts were at less risk (no risk?) of being roughed up by police compared to the Bersih yellowshirts.

    They got “tear-gassed” probably by chance and by changing wind directions !

  17. Malaysia has many thing that’s need to be cleaned. We (my families) does not trust these plunderers anymore. They may have the highest qualifications & speak well, that does not mean they are clean to speak @ govern.
    Pak Samad & Ambiga, you are our inspiration to start cleaning this country from being ruined by plunderers.
    I will be at Bersih tomorrow to support this effort.

  18. Daisy Daisy show me your grassy land …. ladies please fill up the blanks. Frank woud be too thrilled. He would forget all about Bersih.

  19. The world is watching us on April 28, 2012 – Din Merican

    The world or the US to be more precised , dont care because they got no dog in this fight.

  20. The outside world can only observe and make mild diplomatic comments on unversal values. It can do no more. Only when peoples bllod is spilt and bones crushed, UN and it memebers will act with some forceful response.

    It is for ALL rightfull thinking Malaysias to getr rid of this UMNOMelyu culturally corrupted regime by any means, even bones are going to be crushed due to the brutal force of the authorities. Let Malaysian strugle show its concernes citizizens are made of iron will.

    cheers for Bersih tomoorow

  21. This is the first step towards building of independent and impartial insittutions of government. If we fail in this we will be just another Asian country that is only able able to address the issues by sweeping them under the expensive rugs.

    To my mind this what separates Asian countries from the developed countries. Not a single Asian Leader has paid for his misdeeds. In fact their children have been allowed to lord over the citizens. This peoblem will only get bigger and bigger is we continue to only stroke it.

  22. Not correct “Thumb Logic”.

    Generals Chun Doo Hwan and Roh Tae Woo were charged after they were forced out of power by the South Korean democracy movement.

    Taiwan’s Chen Shui Bian was charged in court for corruption after he left office. Again partly due to Taiwan’s democracy movement

  23. you are wrong Mr Bean, Europe is the centre of the Universe, not the US or Bolehland;)!

    you interpreted my comment according to what you wanted to hear, wishful-thinking!
    you should have read it to the end.

    as Dato’ said the world is watching us, at least on TV! news is a commodity today with which money can be made easily.

  24. Businessmen and social unrest? True, perhaps. As long as we do not forget there are other “businessmen” who thrive on it.

  25. For those poor souls who still trust the EC after all this dog gone years, I really pity them, some makcik and pakcik who have, all this while sokong BN will never say die because they were treated badly by the BRITS, CTs and Japs!

    BN safely put them on a better footing!

    They are forever INDEBTED to UMNO & BN.
    But they do not really know the REAL TRUTH!
    BECAUSE the present crop of good politicians from BN are the BEST liars in this WORLD!

    HOW SAD FOR THIS MALAYSIA THAT WE ALL KNOW!

  26. Khairy’s speech are contradicted from beginning of debate till the end. Often lack of substance and he always give lame excuses on behalf government. Be proactive and walk the talk! Nevertheless, his effort for positive change is a good sign of new leadership of young generation from government. Why is it difficult to establish an independent EC? Be focused on the problems. JPN job is to hand over the list of Malaysian voters and let independent EC do the proper screening. It’s rather refreshing to hear this type of debate in Malaysia. Well done!

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