RPK: MSM’s Flavour of the Month
December 12, 2010
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/
With friends like Raja Petra and Haris Ibrahim, PKR does not need enemies
by Desi YL Chong*
I recently wrote an article thinking aloud why Raja Petra Kamarudin (RPK) the blogger
now-in-exile in Britain has been writing some articles highly critical of Parti Keadilan Rakyat, especially regarding its de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, but I tempered my concern with giving benefit of the doubt to the blogger now resident abroad that he might have been misinformed or disinformed by his cronies back home including civil rights lawyer-cum-blogger Haris Ibrahim.
Raja Petra Kamaruddin
My main criticism was that RPK had always written promoting Reformasi from 1998, marked by his outstanding role of director of FreeAnwarCampaign (FAC), and generally working in concert with opposition parties and non-governmental organisations(NGOs) towards change in government at the federal level. But recent writings had given rise to concern he was giving lots of ammunition to the ruling BN regime, especialy UMNO, to attack the Pakatan Rakyat.
And today’s New Sunday Times proves again my point — its page 9 report shows that following the departure of former PKR deputy presidential candidate Zaid Ibrahim, RPK has become the “flavour of the month” of the MSM.
In fact, most Malaysians long to see the birth of a two-party/coalition system in this country — surely a central message sent by the March 8, 2008 General Elections (GE12)? My contention is that PR consisting of PKR, DAP and PAS, now form the only viable alternative coalition able to topple the BN government in Putrajaya, and hence must be given a chance to prove themselves. I add that any third force, however well-intentioned, would only become a new impediment to PR’s march on Putrajaya.
Haris Ibrahim
I have mentioned Haris in tandem with RPK because their efforts in moving civil society often are inter-connected in timing, and objectives, but whether by design or in revision of stands, the duo are caught flat footed in their contradictions when promoting their preferred candidate to take over PKR Zaid Ibrahim, and curently The Third Force in Malaysian politics.
I clearly recall that RPK, in elaborating on the third force, had stressed that it’s NEVER meant to field any canidates in the forthcoming general elections, especially the GE13. Using the public-listed companies as an analogy, he said the third force would act like an auditor, to check the listed company’s accounts and watch out for discrepancies, or waywardness by its directors and management chiefs. One point I would ask: The listed companies always appoint their own auditors who are qualified for this role, but whose mandate are this third force using to self-appoint themselves as auditors to the three components of the PR?
In fact, in my earlier article I had quoted Haris as saying the third force — now birthing as Malaysian Civil Liberties Movement (MCLM) in London — had identified some 30 men/women of integrity to stand as candidates in GE13, and some 20 had agreed to stand, and they would want DAP and PKR to allow these candiadtes to stand under their party banner, according to a Star report dated Nov 17, 2010. I had questioned why would these well established parties with their own selection criteria privatise such an important role to outside parties. This stance was also restated by leaders like PKR strategy director Tian Chua besides Dr Syed Husin.
Third Force
This Third Force is neither third nor force, according to just retired PKR deputy president Dr Syed Husin Ali. In fact he sarcastically shared at a mew conference in conjunction with recent party Congress a “revealing” episode, relating that preceding the March 2008 elections, a representation was made to him to allow a Third Force candidate to stand under PKR banner. Syed Husin knew of this “guy” candidate quite well, so he told off the backers that they should have done a thorough background check and would have found that their nominee was a regular pub-goer who often ended up drunk.
Let me now reproduce the NST report dated December 12, 2010 in full, and I reiterate that the headline itself again proved my point that RPK is providing grist to the MSM to attack PKR and PR frontally, with banner headlines likely to be used by the UMNO campaigners cometh GE13.
‘Some PR reps not fit to walk a dog’
2010/12/12
KUALA LUMPUR: Raja Petra Kamaruddin has reiterated his disappointment at what he views as the lack of commitment to reforms by Pakatan Rakyat.
After virtually reprimanding his most recognisable political ally Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim at a London political forum on Oct 2 for not honouring campaign promises, the fugitive blogger wrote in his latest blog posting: “But what is Pakatan Rakyat’s excuse? Pakatan Rakyat talks about reforms. But what reforms are they themselves introducing?
“They demand that Barisan Nasional reform. Should not Pakatan Rakyat demonstrate what it means by reforms by first of all reforming itself?
“In a nutshell, this is what I mean when I say that the Malaysian Civil Liberties Movement (MCLM) seeks to reform the political environment of Malaysia. Note that our target to push for reforms is not just Barisan Nasional but also Pakatan Rakyat.
“And I will continuously write about how things are done elsewhere and ask why we can’t also do the same in Malaysia.
“And I will not accept the argument that we can’t also do that because our skin is black, brown, cocoa or yellow and not white.
“It is not the external colour of our skin that determines advancement. It is our brain and how we utilise it that will.”
At the Oct 2 Friends of Pakatan Rakyat Forum in London with Anwar, and now Parti Keadilan Rakyat vice-president Tian Chua, Raja Petra launched an attack on Pakatan’s failure to implement “not a single one of the reform agenda contained in the People’s Declaration”.
He said this was an improved version of the Agenda of Change authored by Anwar in 1998.According to Raja Petra, the People’s Declaration was drawn up by what he termed as the civil society movement and was adopted by Pakatan parties as their manifesto for the March 2008 general election.
Three other non-Pakatan parties, too, embraced the People’s Declaration, Raja Petra said.He argued that the move and the spirited efforts of activists and bloggers like him had helped Pakatan gain seats. And now some 21/2 years after the election, not a single one of the reforms had been implemented.
As seen from the video recording of the event, Anwar had smiled approvingly when Raja Petra started addressing the forum but no longer smiled as the speech wore on.
Raja Petra offered not himself, but credible personalities from the civil society movement to be fielded as Pakatan candidates in the next general election.
As for some of the candidates fielded by Pakatan in 2008, Raja Petra, quoting his wife had said, “some of them, I can’t even trust to walk my dog”. Raja Petra described them as an embarrassment.
(NST report ends here)
RPK asked in a reaction article to my piece titled “Why RPK is acting out (of character)” asked “Have I really changed?”, and in a partial reply, I just said we all as individuals “grow up” with passing years, and that only the person himself or herself (including this writer!) would be able to answer truthfully if he/she has changed characterwise or with respect to the causes he/she once championed. But today, a month later, I conclude that RPK, your struggle has indeed changed direction, and you are treating PKR, and Anwar, as the enemy bigger than BN-UMNO. WHY?
So today when I opened up the New Straits Times, I wasn’t surprised by the page 9 lead item headline; totally in character with his previous Oct 13′s header: “UMNO is Beginning to Look Better Than PKR”
So Pakatan Rakyat be forewarned that you would have to “review” your election strategies with the probable entry of MCLM or Third Force candidates, however you call them, now or revised because the promoters don’t seem to know their directions and mandate. Maybe they will be strengthened by their well-linked ally Zaid Ibrahim– in the next general elections?
The Rakyat/electorate must stay focused and united in rejecting a third, or fourth or fifth force; by contesting, they will only become “spoilers”, siphoning off votes from the PR, hence benefiting the BN. Foremost on our mind must be to question where these sudden new forces get their monies from? Whose agenda are they really fighting for ?
Who are you to act like a SUPRA-GOVERNMENT BODY just because you have drawn up a People’s Declaration via the People’s Parliament via harisibrahim.com? Can an elite group meeting outside the country — be it in London, Paris or Timbuktu, I care not — totally a crowd of some 50 to 100 Malaysians carry the Malaysian fight for “A better Malaysia”? If you remain a cyber-voice writing pieces of concern for the homeland, I can live with that. But shortlisting candidates of impeccable character,playing a demi-god role? No, a BIG resounding No!
I end with a recollection of my criticism when it was made known that more than a decade ago, MCA leader Ng Yen Yen was a permanent resident of Australia when she was made a Senator. My stand then was,and still is, that I hold nothing against Malaysians having PR overseas, but I am firm that Yen Yen should NOT remain a Senator and continue to play active role in the country’s politics as her loyalties were/are split. In fact, in passing, I too wrote a letter to the PM’s Department too objecting to an Aussie PR being appointed as Editor-in-Chief of the Star, more or less on the same principle that one must not have any “conflict-of-interest” situation that often arises with high profile posts.
I too wish that Malaysians abroad who wish to play any significant role such as taking part in the country’s elections by initiating or becoming Third Force candidates, or serving as a Cabinet minister, to return home to fight the battles. And help sincerely PR and the people’s efforts to win the war for Putrajaya.
Why launch an MCLM in London, and announcing candidates to shove down the PR component parties throats? Maybe the BN regime under Najib Tun Razak will be more accomodating absorbing them — hence the direct Barisan Nasional membership?
The UMNO leaders seem suddenly to become reform-minded, and so willing to co-opt Taiwan-returned graduate-rapper “Namewee” aka Wee Meng Chee — why not also co-opt the 20 men of integrity nominated by Haris Ibrahim? I wonder if indeed we are seeing the emergence of The Third Force or The Third Farce?
Desi YL Chong is a reader and contributor to Malaysia Chronicle
RPK has gone from a prolific blogger to a nuisance blogger long time ago, a runaway convict blogger. Why pretend to act innocent??? I have totally barred myself from reading his articles in Malaysia Today long long time ago. Its the worst of reporting of news by a person who cherished press freedom. Its easier to talk then walk the talk. Worst RPK is on the run.
There are many intelligent and highly educated bloggers and commenters, but they often let their political affiliation cloud their judgement.
I hope my respected Din Merican will stay this way, blogging with an indepth analysis of his own approach in speaking up against the wrong whether it is from this side or that side for the sake of people who desperate for fair and just government. I wish there will be more blogs like yours that offered well-thought-out. Malaysian really need a principled and genuine responsible and unselfish people like Mr Din be seen in today’s Malaysian politics.
I think you’re a great guy. For that, You deserve to live the Great Life. For your effort and hard work towards a better Malaysia, I pray to Allah (swt) for your health and happiness. You’ve earned My Respect.
Cheers to your service to the Nation Pak Din!
Jazakallahu Khairan and Was Salaam.
labuan - December 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm
I have always been an Independent and declared myself to be so on this blog and have attracted my fair share of derogatory remarks. Din Merican, until recently, has always been with Anwar and his reform party. But having seen the light recently, is a new convert. So we welcome him as an Independent. We need fair and balanced views rather than partisan.
Mr Bean - December 12, 2010 at 9:26 pm
However, when it comes to justice, you cannot be neutral.
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When it comes to bribery and corruption and abuse of power, too.–Din Merican
Mr Bean - December 12, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Labuan,
I try to be fair and reasonable as I have no political agenda and affiliation. The purpose of my blog is to share my experiences and the knowledge I acquired over 7 decades of my life and counting! I grew up under British rule (from 1939-1957) and I matured on 4 Prime Ministers, and have become senior citizen (by age only lah) under 2 Prime Ministers.
Like you, I long for honest service to the rakyat government. I do not know whether I will see one any time soon. But I at least have seen and lived through a terrible one which overstayed itself (he was around for 22+ years and screwed our country to the ground). So I know what is bad government, and the government I wish is still a distant dream.— Din Merican
dinobeano - December 12, 2010 at 9:30 pm
What inference can be made on the special relationship that exists between RPK and the evil of TDM, Mamakutty which may have influenced RPK attacking PR.
RPK ought to know the immense hatred the educated Malaysians have for BN, and here is no reason for RPK to court BN in any sense.
Faisal - December 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm
You’ve earned my respect too mr Bean. By the way, I am just wondering whether my respected Din Merican is still PKR member? I hope so……..
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I have become a civil society person; that does not require political affiliation.I will serve my country any time.–Din Merican
labuan - December 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm
“My contention is that PR… now form the only viable alternative… able to topple the BN … and hence must be given a chance to prove themselves…” DESI
PR may indeed be able to topple the government, but the question is, are they fit to govern the country? From what we have witnessed so far, NO – not by a long shot. For the moment, the best we can do is to let them carry on trying to govern some states which will allow them ample opportunity to cut their political teeth. Elect them to Putra Jaya now and we shall lose our biggest asset – our stability.
Until a mature opposition evolves our best bet is to live with the devil we know.
Isa Manteqi - December 12, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Neutrality is something no one can afford.
Everyone has agendas – maybe not political, but still keeping the spark of hope burning. Despite what is said and done, RPK and Haris never had my vote of confidence.They might speak and articulate well, but beneath the veneer, they have agendas, sometimes filled with personal hubris.. Din’s always the odd-man out – i guess it’s because he’s been blessed with more than a fair share of discernment/wisdom.
Most of the old-timers here are independent when it comes to perceived injustice and corruption, so it shouldn’t be a surprise if Din is deemed anti-establishment.
Menyalak-er - December 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Good questions this writer has asked.
makcik - December 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Menyalak-er,
I have had my share of labels from kurang ajar to anti-establishment. The truth be told, I am pro-Malaysia. Some leaders in Government think I am okay; others think I am anti-establishment and a rebel without a cause. Ask Mongkut Bean, and he will say a fellow Kerbau rider into the sunset. But if you ask Mahathir, he will probably say, “Din, who?”.
Politicians who genuinely serve the people get my support. My late Uncle, Che Lat (an UMNO-MP for Tumpat and Senator) is my example of a true servant-leader. What is a servant-leader? “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead. That person is sharply different from one who is leader first, perhaps because of the need to assuage an unusual power drive or to acquire material possessions…The leader-first and the servant-first are two extreme types.” (Robert Greenleaf)–Din Merican
dinobeano - December 12, 2010 at 10:42 pm
This is what I have to say to Desi LY Chong (‘Desi’ being a corruption of Daisy?) and not RPK whose writings I would read in order to humor myself when in need of comic relief.
First let’s get rid of the only issue worth debating raised by the writer which is the alleged proposition made to the DAP leadership to let professionals and intellectuals of integrity or human rights activists stand under its banner. I cannot help view this as an attempt to replicate the template used here recently in the mid-term elections when so called tea-party candidates standing under the Republican banner won their nominations and later the elections. But these are people from the right wing of the Republican party to begin with who view the GOP as sadly out of touch with its roots.
As for good old RPK, I have always viewed him as someone who suffers from ADS (short for ‘attention deficit syndrome’ ) but someone with a death wish. When you find both qualities in the same individual it is nothing short of a portent combination. Both to himself and to his critics and adversaries. The fact that he eventually went the way others in the same situation would go i.e. flight rather than fight, a syndrome that we all exhibit when our very survival is at stake, serves to confirm that he is an ordinary mortal like we all are. But to criticize him for exercising his First Amendment right which is a generic term for protected rights to speech, assembly and association?? That is a betrayal of a cause we identify ourselves with albeit under different labels. His is civil society and yours is the alternative coalition to the ruling coalition. And if I might add, in reality only an electoral alliance united to contest the elections and dislodge the party in power. They are as united as they look on Fridays and Sundays and whatever day you go to have a conversation with your dieties.
Maybe you guys should not have put him on such a high moral pedestal to begin with. Have you thought about that?
But RPK today has become another casualty short of being a martyr, a lightning rod for political dissidents and I hope he would make use of his newly found status abroad in letting the ignorant British public, in particular their leaders, know what is happening in a country they once called their colony. They were not wrong to doubt our ability to govern ourselves. But they were wrong if they had thought that the country we inherited from them could not one day find a new status for itself – that of a failed state.
Mr Bean - December 12, 2010 at 10:45 pm
I support the criticisms of RPK and Haris Ibrahim on PKR’s stupidity in recent months.
As I said, loyalty is not absolute. It is a contract.
PKR leaders take loyalty of its supporters for granted and went out to make fools of themselves and then expect its ardent supporters to agree with their stupidity. That’s why I say, PKR leaders, in particular the Malay leaders in PKR carry too much of UMNO baggage into PKR.
Frank - December 12, 2010 at 11:04 pm
‘Pro-Malaysian’ is a very loaded term, nowadays, Din. What does it entail?
We have always aspired for the best in our country. We have called a wrong as it is and a right as it stands. Perception and morals are only half of discernment, the rest being made up of experience, logic and reason. The right to dissent and the freedom to argue our case without undue bias is what you have been able to establish in this wonderful blog – a sounding board, if you will, of the more mature and discerning few.
There will always be those who look askance to ‘neutrality’. In politics, there is no such thing. The so called ‘independents’ at this stage of our ‘nation’s’ evolution are in Limbo, if not Purgatory.
Menyalak-er - December 12, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Now that I have read what was written about what RPK said about ‘walking the dog’, I am not surprised it entered into his mind to say that.
I once went to school along High Holborn, London and if that is where RPK now finds himself walking in the early mornings, it would not be wrong to attribute the inspiration he got for his statement to the dog poop left scattered in front of the apartments.
Mr Bean - December 12, 2010 at 11:42 pm
I matured on 4 Prime Ministers, and have become senior citizen (by age only lah) under 2 Prime Ministers — Din Merican
Do not over do it laa. Drkam may not be too happy.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 12:00 am
Din, you there?? Don’t tell me you went to bed early. Not again.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 12:13 am
“I matured on 4 Prime Ministers, and have become senior citizen (by age only lah) under 2 Prime Ministers ” – Din
On that count, you should be around 92 years and 4 months old.
As Mr Bean says, drkam will have re-check your teeth and gums.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 12:14 am
“..The fact that he (RPK) eventually went the way others in the same situation would go i.e. flight rather than fight,”- Mr Bean
That is a very narrow view. I am surprised of all persons you have to be the one to say that.
RPK is doing what Douglas MacArther did. Live to fight another day, when the odds are overly stacked against you.
RPK took all he could. He took it on the chin from the UMNO-BN machinery. He took on the Royalty, his own royal relatives in Selangor. He took on the Perak royalty. The UMNO-BN thugs even manipulated the legal process to silence him.
And he is still fighting from afar.
Bad analysis on your part. Perhaps the winter in New York has frozen your neurons.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 12:21 am
That, Frank, was to be read as a compliment.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 1:01 am
I’m referring, of course, to the statement I made about RPK, about flight rather than fight syndrome. It is the most natural of reaction. It is geared to our survival instinct.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 1:05 am
I remember RPK mentioned he held a black belt in tae kwondo or karate.
One of the key principles in martial arts is to know when you cannot win a fight and to try to get away to fight another day.
And you must overcome your opponent at one time of the other, otherwise are dead.
You see that in kungfu movies.
I believe RPK fell back to the surivival skills learnt from his martial arts knowledge.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 1:21 am
Tell me, Frank, would you be around if the prospect of spending more years in jail is no longer a prospect but a certainty. I criticized RPK a long time ago for being a selfish and irresponsible father to his kids. But that is his life to lead as he sees fit.
Others are free to view him as a patriot.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 1:23 am
“PR may indeed be able to topple the government, but the question is, are they fit to govern the country? “- Isa Manteqi
We covered this ground before.
Are they fit to govern?? You never know until they are there to govern. Your guess is as good as mine.
The proof is in the eating… you heard that before.
Anything else are speculation and hypothetical musings.
The issue for Malaysians is this: Will it be any worse for Malaysians or the country if we take out UMNO-BN? Other countries had the guts to take out the incumbent. Even Maldives, small coral-island based nation south of Sri Lanka, brought in a first time opposition party to govern. So did Indonesia after the Soeharto days, so did Japan.
It is being too clever for our own good to speculate that PR cannot govern the country.
DAP didn’t do that bad, or in fact better when they govern Penang. There is nothing wrong with Selangor, warts and all. Kelantan had been with PAS for donkey years.
Who is to say that they cannot govern at Federal level when PR is not given a chance or to take your position, should not be given a chance until later.
When later…
To me, let it be sooner than later. If PR failed, there is always the next GE or next vote of no confidence or get the monarchy to a Perak on Putrajaya under PR.
I still don’t buy your thesis that based on your analysis of PR as an Opposition coalition, and knowing that PR is being intimidated not only by UMNO-BN, but by the taxpayer institutions like the judiciary, police, civil service, MACC and the Election Commission, therefore PR is not ready for governing the country.
An alternative view is also correct that PR IS READY TO govern…given its current performance at State level.
Internal politicak bickerings are par for the course for any political party. Yes, internal problems of the parties are a concern and do form a factor, but it is NOT a primary factor for taking the view that PR is not ready for governance.
I still hold the view you are taking a very simplistic and naive view of the democratic process in the country.
NO risk no gain. You never know until you allow it to happen.
The fear of calamity to the nation when PR comes to power in Putrajaya is sheer fear-mongering and playing into the hands of partisan politics of UMNO-BN.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 1:37 am
“I criticized RPK a long time ago for being a selfish and irresponsible father to his kids. “- Mr Bean
We all are, in one form or another and it is a matter of degree of selfishness when it comes to our children.
Your criticism of RPK as a father means you put too much tickets on yourself as a parent.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 1:41 am
“…would you be around if the prospect of spending more years in jail is no longer a prospect but a certainty.”- Mr Bean
Of course I won’t. But your criticism of RPK taking flight implies you expect him to stay and fight on despite the incredible odds against him.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 1:43 am
My criticism of Anwar Ibrahim comes from the same source. But then Anwar is not RPK. Anwar should seek political asylum and carry on with the struggle for freedom. The incarceration of Anwar Ibrahim for the second time will go along the way it did with the first. With mostly quiet resignation from Malaysians. You will not see the rioting and the public unrest that accompanies similar violations of fundamental rights of liberty and justice elsewhere.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 1:55 am
Malaysians are a very meek lot.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 2:00 am
Most thinking Malaysians would want to vote in honest credible candidates irregardles of party affiliation the next time around, as both BN and Pakatan are riddled with BUM characters !! Its time for a generational change and get rid of all tainted characters, meaning just about all the current cabinet members and in particular Najib and his Dim Deputy !!!
yogi - December 13, 2010 at 3:06 am
I have become a civil society person; that does not require political affiliation.I will serve my country any time.–Din Merican
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YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE MY RESPECT AND ADMIRATION SIR.
I Totally respect your decision.
It doesn’t really matter anyway (As long as ABU: Asal Bukan Umno/Anything But Umno or BN). My respect for you will never diminish. I must say that I admire your aspirations and courage and I applaud you for that! In fact, I believe your values and principles are admired by many. You are the one with the character that one can always count on the fight for what’s right.
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“But I at least have seen on terrible one which overstayed itself (he was around for 22+ years and screwed our country to the ground). So I know what is bad government, and the government I wish is still a distant dream.— Din Merican”.
Apanama…seriously, I’ve lost all of my respect to him. I can only hope he will live very long to see the s..t he made oozed out of Malaysia. To name one, his culpability in the events leading to the dismissal of three judges is simply unforgiven to every honest Malaysian. One day he will have to answer to Allah (swt) and so we are. I wish he and his followers would stop hiding in the shadows of ketuanan Melayu that he brought into Umno in 1969 or thereabouts. What ever he did is for his own benefit and ego as he has always done. I am Malay but I don’t differentiate people by skin color,language or any other trivial subject….and yes, even their sexual preference/orientation.
Semoga Pak Din dan keluarga sentiasa berada dalam ketenangan, petunjuk dan perlindungannya.
Jazakallahu Khairan and Was Salaam.
labuan - December 13, 2010 at 3:50 am
I admire Din most for his tenacity in wanting to ride on the back of the kerbau into the sunset with the boys.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 4:03 am
Hey, to you guys out there who feel frustrated at the recent turn of events in Malaysia, there is nothing a little bit of soap cannot do to cheer you up!
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 5:16 am
Thanks for cheering us up in the early morning mr Bean.
labuan - December 13, 2010 at 5:39 am
RPK…whatever …has paid his dues in the continuing political struggle for a New & Better Malaysia…I will not jump to conclusion with knee-jerk remarks when the “web” that’s being spunned has not materialize enough to see what “insects” will be entangled.
Is RPK doing a “Black OP”?
Is RPK changing to a Trojan Horse…but which side of the political divide?
The positive deviousness & complexities of his “grey matter” makes me give him due respect and let the web slowly unravel … I don’t want him having the Last Laugh on me and muttering”I told you so !!!”
By the way…it can’t be because his cojones are being squeezed because made of IRON…but that of his Son…that’s something to consider.
All the Best RPK…you have done more than most for Malaysia and my “gut feeling” is still Right about you.
God Bless !!!
Hidup Malaysia !!!
fairplay - December 13, 2010 at 6:22 am
No prob. Labuan. Over here 13 hours behind you.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 6:23 am
PR may indeed be able to topple the government, but the question is, are they fit to govern the country? From what we have witnessed so far, NO – not by a long shot. For the moment, the best we can do is to let them carry on trying to govern some states which will allow them ample opportunity to cut their political teeth. Elect them to Putra Jaya now and we shall lose our biggest asset – our stability.
from-Isa Manteqi – December 12, 2010 at 9:59 pm
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ALOYSIUS FRANCIS PINTO - December 13, 2010 at 6:56 am
“We need a 3rd Force. A kind that helps move the country forward.”-ALOYSIUS FRANCIS PINTO
What Third Force are you talking about. A rag tag assembly of NGOs trying to “move the country forward”.
Or you are talking about having disgruntled politicians forming parties and come together into a coalition to try to take on the UMNO-BN monolith?
Or you are talking about Independents grouping to together. First of all, these Independents have to get elected and put their foot into Parliament.
Many of the so-called Independents are frogs eg Ibrahim Ali or wash-out politicians. Zaid Ibrahim chances of getting elected into Parliament is FINISHED.. kaput.
Before using such over-used phrases like “The Third Force”, define it and constitute. Otherwise you are just mouthing nonsense.
The “Third Force” in Malaysia is DOA. Dead on Arrival.
Too many of smart-assed Malaysians talking about Third Force without giving substance to it.
Third Force as a pressure group is different from a Third Force of credible political parties.
Third Force in Malaysia is nothing but a EMPTY FORCE.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 10:51 am
Good point there Frank.
If anyone thinks RPK is THE force you will be sadly disappointed.
He can’t win in any constituency.
RPK is just a hyped-up, hyperbole self-proclaimed champion who only talks . Of whom really is he hero?
But nice being him. Doing nothing, staying in London and being sponsored. What an enviable life.
Only for that I admire him.
Pak Abu - December 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Pak Abu
I can only partly agree with you.
At the moment, RPK is a Force… a gravitational force.A Force powerful enough to attract supporters who believe UMNO-BN should be kicked out of Putrajaya.
RPK is a Force by himself. Whether you like or dislike what he does, he is an influence in the politics of Malaysia.
He has guts and he has balls. Commenters in blogs are cowards and have no balls. We talk big in dark corners, hiding behnd the monitor screen and the keyboard.
I respect RPK what he does. I may not agree everything he did or does, but RPK is a shaker and mover in Malaysian politics.
You and I are just wimps in comparison to him.
I suggest you flush down the toilet your silly criticisms about RPK.
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 1:03 pm
“Nothing so conclusively proves a man’s ability to lead others as what he does from day to day to lead himself.”
Kathy - December 13, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Hi Guys, Have you read my article on the kind of 3rd Force Malaysia needs. Do your homework, before you criticize!
Responsible & Independent use of cyberspace can BUILD BRIDGES.
ALOYSIUS FRANCIS PINTO - December 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm
pak abu ,
at least rpk is honest . he is not in london living off the ill gotten gains like the umno – bn leaders children and grand children are.
whom would you want as leaders – forthright principled individuals like rpk or absolutely corrupt , absolutely racist and absolutely inept imbeciles like those from umno – bn?
samad ali pitchey - December 13, 2010 at 6:54 pm
“Responsible & Independent use of cyberspace can BUILD BRIDGES”- ALOYSIUS FRANCIS PINTO
Getting all the oddballs in the internet to try and win Govt??
Acting as cyberspace pressure group? To pressure who? UMNO-BN ? To do what?
To use the internet to convince the makciks and pakciks tryin to make a decent living each day in the rural Malay heartland to vote for Independents, or PKR??
To act pressure PKR to win govt or to pressure PKR to behave properly so that those caffee-latte chatter boxes in Starbuck and Gloria Jeans will be less critical of PR?
Or to get some internet savvy loudmouths to become candidates as Independents? Challenge who? You end up splitting Opposition votes and strengthening the UMN-BN to win MORE seats.
You are trying to change govt or trying to strengthen the UMNO-BN govt to rule for another 5 years???
You think you can get 10 seats for Independents coming from the caffe latte chater boxes to win election who have no idea the width of the backroads of rural Malaysia or who can’t speak a decent word of Bahasa Malaysia without bastardising the language with english words or half-baked english phrases and sentences?
Use the little space between your ears and think about what kind of Third Force nonsense you are talking about before parroting what others are selling.
“Responsible & Independent use of cyberspace can BUILD BRIDGES”?????
Building bridges to NOWHERE.. and not even a real bridge.
What rubbish!!!
Frank - December 13, 2010 at 8:39 pm
“He (RPK) has guts and he has balls.” cafe-latte Frank
As they say, seeing is believing.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm
What’s this about building bridges? What are we now? A nation of engineers?? We can’t even walk a straight line.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 9:08 pm
The last bridge built was not only crooked but did not reach the other point for it to be called a bridge.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Pak Abu,
You gotta understand where cafe-latte Frank is coming to know where he is going. If you were an undergrad in the closing years of the ’60s you would understand.
Today in our golden years while waiting to ride the proverbial kerbau into the sunset, most are cynical with life. But cafe-latte Frank has not lost all that idealism which apparently has followed him. His enthusiasm for change is unparalleled.
So is his tongue lashing. A skill matched only by that of Sir Lancelot who penetrated the security shield installed by King Arthur. Don’t believe? Ask Lady Guinevere – or better still ask our Kathy. She spent time with Sir Lancelot.
Mr Bean - December 13, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Samad Alipitchay
So you think RPK is so principled. I don’t.
Please don’t be sad or disappointed if he declares support for BN soon.
All signs are pointing that way.
Pak Abu - December 13, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Guys,
There are plenty of things that I disagree with RPK but however I am dreaded the fact that we might have the first hung parliamentin GE 13. It’s possible if certain people are having indecisive in making decision
Take note! It’s either all win or all lose. BN has always hoped for even a hung parliament because they would make use of whatever at their disposal in GRABBING BACK MALAYSIA to their side
Guys,
It’s just like saying that…..Hey, it’s good enough to repel Hitler’s troops back into the River Rhine with Nazi regime intact. It’s extremely foolish. I am not sure the hell RPK is thinking or Perhaps, his allegiance to LibDem has sunk into his head
RPK,
I too voted in Guildford in 1997 which saw the history win by Tony Blair. Of course, Guildford was & is still Tory safe seat…..Hehehe, despite being lost to LibDem once……Hehehe, students maaa……
Regardless of the whip being lifted by LibDem, the betrayal of LibDem has far devastating consequences than any Pakatan Rakyat’s promises…..I am very disappointed….Perhaps, that’s the reason why in 1997, I DID NOT VOTE FOR LIBDEM…..Not even for town council…….And I dare to say it’s a big mistake in overthrowing the Labout (Ooops! There goes my political allegiance though Tory Torchy symbol is far better than the TREE).
Frank,
I have been watching 1974 & 1979 UK election. Though I am much mesmerised by 1997 GE where it’s a landslide victory. My dad called from Malaysia & asked me…..Did you vote for Tony Blair? Hehehe….Ironically, the first time, I have ever exercised my voting rights (though don’t have the right to abode)…..
Again I have mentioned about 1974 UK election broadcast….Have seen the downside of rather low majority government…..Labour survived with majority of 3…..sliding into a minority government….Though no fan of Thatcher, I agree with her….Clear majority is needed…..
Guys,
BN has ruled for 50 over years…..Enough is enough. Based on the current scenario, one call for a complete knockdown…..As such, A landslide is needed. It’s the landslide that swing SUPP to DAP in Sibu…..Only overrall decisive landslide victory can save Malaysia from tyranny of BN……MARK MY WORDs
Again we must look at the big picture….As for MCLM, I would suggest if those capable candidates such as Malik Imtiaz can join DAP…..Till today, some folks simply confused over the kinda coalition in Pakatan Rakyat….It’s of equalled relationship…..Far better to be part of one political party such as DAP to seek for better representation when the time comes
DAP stood for 48 seats last GE12……Perhaps, 15 or 30 so called independent MPs (Must be extremely good) should join DAP……Of course, there must be certain party decorum & discipline but I believe DAP would be a better party to stood for justice, fainess & equally.
Guys,
What say ye? Stop pandering over any other forces….Lets Pakatan Rakyat or perhaps DAP has a landslide majority. Don’t ever think we should wait another election…..Forget about Zaid…..See how desperate he’s to join AKIM……What a joke…..
Watch the clip…..Guess why I say 1997 GE is so memorable…..(Din, I know you have issues with Tony but then I was pretty euphoric over Labour’s win in 1997)
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brhwefyMx-8&feature=related
Frankie,
Portillio sounded to british public. YOU CAN TRUST LABOUR FOR DEFENCE. It was one of the longest political campaign. At one point of time, Tory ran advertisement portraying Tony as Satan.
Yup before that it seems Tory (The Torch) is undefeatable. (Ooops! I turned out in the University Hall (Surrey) without the polling card…..Hehehe)
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHMUHKCy88&feature=related
Guys,
The real change only comes with the shocking overwhelming landslide victory to PR….It must be like the clip shown in (2)
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmwqEg-06Ww&feature=related
Labour 1997 GE campaign
Guys,
In Short…..Landslide for PR. No to Hung Parliament. Good riddance to UMNO/BN…..
“Just Do It for PR in GE13″
looes74 - December 13, 2010 at 9:45 pm
RPK…….
It does not matter if he supports BN, PR or even AKIM, he will never be my hero.
Principled??? Obviously not.
Others are free to worship him….
I respect that, but then..
Respect is one thing, imposing your ideas and oppinions on another person is totally a whole different matter…
“Everyone should have their own opinion and be able to voice it. No matter what it is. Of course, that does not mean your opinion is always right. But, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.”
- Tim McGraw
Labuan - December 13, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Labuan,
I read a lot of flowery “respect” words in your various comments…but…frankly your “respect” to me is “suspect”!!!
Hidup Malaysia !!!
fairplay - December 13, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Bean..u seem to enjoy repeating that titilating bit about Lancelot and Guinevere where Lancelot ended up tongue tied but Kathy is not buying it. Poor you !!
yogi - December 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm
oops sorry..
fairplay
Huh..suspect???Pls do enlighten me
labuan - December 13, 2010 at 11:42 pm
“…or better still ask our Kathy. She spent time with Sir Lancelot.”- Mr Bean
Poor Kathy… innocent bystander caught in the explosion of IEDs coming from New York.
Frank - December 14, 2010 at 12:13 am
“Poor Kathy. Innocent bystander.” cafe-latte Frank.
She may be innocent (and I am convinced she is because she is very young ) but she certainly is not a bystander. She has her own mind. Something that cannot be said of many Malaysian women of her age.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 1:55 am
The last posting by emmie on my blog:
emmie said…
Doesn’t matter what I say, the peckered trolls around here believe what they want. Our very own host is flittering (or is that clitoring) between straight, gay, bisexual, transgendered and just plain old. I assume that as host, he posts issues mainly of interest to him first, so his recent selection surely defines him.
I can’t be bothered about Lady G, what she sings, wears, is endowed with or not. My main concern right now whether my golf lesson is going ahead as it rained all night.
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I miss my little emmie …
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 2:32 am
Hi Frank, dont worry about me! I aint scared of anyone!
Kathy - December 14, 2010 at 3:42 am
Labuan,
I read a lot of flowery “respect” words in your various comments…but…frankly your “respect” to me is “suspect”!!!
Hidup Malaysia !!!
fairplay – December 13, 2010 at 11:14 pm
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fairplay,
Did someone ever tell you that you are overly judgmental mate? Do you sometimes wonder if the way you view others might possibly be a bit too harsh?
Seriously, I have no clue at all of what you’re thinking?
Are you suspecting me of having mental illness or something, fairplay?
Or something about 3rd Force?????
You’re suspecting me to be one of the promoter of this NONSENSE thing now, are you?
LOL…
Honestly i dont have a problem with judgemental people like you suspecting me for whatever reason, it’s just sound funny to me.
Oftentimes when we judge other people unfairly, we simply do not take the time to understand their point of view properly. We base our judgments on a small slice of reality and fill in the blanks – all with a negative frame of mind.
Does not make any sense to me.
I rest my case…
labuan - December 14, 2010 at 4:11 am
(Free Malaysia Today) – PAS fears a coup if the opposition coalition Pakatan Rakyat seizes control of Putrajaya in the next general election. Party leaders believe that Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak’s comment on Saturday that “if Barisan Nasional doesn’t win, no one can” was an indirect threat.
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An indirect threat?? You kiddin’ me?
That’s the reality. So it is not just the AG who is being called to explain, the PM too is being asked to explain. What? You want him to sign a guarantee and have it deposited in a secure vault in a secure location??
They will likely rig the polls come 2013. Failing that they will create a security situation and then it is for Najib to take the center stage and make the planned announcement that a state of emergency exists. From then on it is déjà vu. That should send our Tok Cik scurrying to the cleaners to retrieve whatever is left of his army uniform.
But let’s not flatter ourselves too much. UMNO-BN will win by a landslide. The Doomsday scenario will not come to pass. Don’t worry folks. There is no need to remit your life savings out to China.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 4:47 am
oops sorry..
fairplay
Huh???..suspect.Pls do enlighten me._Labuan
oops sorry..
No free lessons!!!
cheers
fairplay - December 14, 2010 at 6:55 am
“The Doomsday scenario will not come to pass”- Mr Bean
It WILL after Najib called for the next GE. UMNO will disappear totally.
http://www.december2012endofworld.com/
Najib is doing an old trick…. frighten the shit out of Malaysians, used in the past to frighten the chinese and indians with May 13. Except this time, it used to declare a state of emergency.
UMNO knows it cannot call a state of emergency. The country’s economy has too much to lose…and the liberal Malays in the military will NOT allow this irresponsible act to occur.
The internet and the availability of alternative information will PREVENT Najib from doing the unthinkable.
I will bet my house and the future of my grandson that Najib will NOT and he will be prevented from bringing down the country with the fall of UMNO.
In the aftermath of March 2008, a few UMNO warlords wanted to instigate racial chaos in Ulu Langat and to spread to KL, but this was nipped in the bud and through SMS, non Malay voters were asked to stay home. Likewise sms were sent out in Penang when some UMNO mamaks wanted to fuel anti chinese sentiments.
PAS will front UMNO on this issue head on and will be in the front line to protect the non Malays should irresponsible UMNO Malays want to create civil chaos in the country.
Anyway, this is not the 1960s or even in the 1980s.
Let see what Rosmah’s bomohs advises Najib on this issue.
To hell with UMNO
Frank - December 14, 2010 at 10:38 am
The situation facing RPK before he became a fugitive from the law. His case in a nutshell as I see it.
Najib’s case against RPK should go this way i.e. that he (RPK) had made statements in his blog which were false and he made these with actual malice and in reckless disregard for the truth. It is a higher standard that Najib as a public figure would need to satisfy in order to get damages than is the case when the person being defamed is a private figure which only requires negligence. But RPK is a man of straw. He could not raise RM500,000 just to give away. Let alone tens of millions that he probably would have to pay. But could Najib have done so i.e. won his case? I think he could. But at what cost to him? It is tantamount to opening a can of worms. Washing dirty linen in public would be a gross understatement.
Did he conspire to murder the poor woman? Probably not. The two policemen who actually did the murder were from his own security detail. That’s circumstantial evidence that he could not have been involved. Rather than the reverse. No one is that dumb. To prove your client didn’t do the crime, you do not have to show someone else did it. All you have to do is create doubt that your client did not do the crime. He may have done it. God knows.
Was Najib right in at first ignoring RPK? Yes. But the guy kept on going. This is the death wish I was referring to earlier. And by going at it the way he did, RPK in fact helped build the government case against him under the country’s security laws. Would the government be able to satisfy the burden of proof under the Internal Security Act? Ooops! Strike that out. Would RPK have been able to discharge his burden of proof that he is not a threat to national security? Assuming the tribunal of law and fact is an independent one, there is a fair chance he would be able to do so.
Did RPK do the right thing by fleeing the country? Yes. But he should have known it would come to this. If he did not then he must be the stupidest guy to be walking this planet. Is he?
Some hypotheticals for you guys to think about while having your nasi lemak with sambal tomeh and ikan bilis.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 10:45 am
Bean,
If UMNO-BN win by a landslide, UMNO-BN will rule Malaysia in perpeituity. Hence, best way is UMNO-BN to lose. Lose Big
looes74 - December 14, 2010 at 10:54 am
Mr. Bean, pray tell us Sir, what was the motive for the two policemman to kill the lady? Do Policeman in Malaysia haveto take orders or every one of them act willy nilly?.
Faisal - December 14, 2010 at 11:23 am
First, motive is not needed to prove murder.
As for the second, in the context of the case, obeying orders given by their superiors is not relevant. When they murdered that poor woman, they were not acting in the course of their employment as policemen.
I don’t care to speculate why they acted the way they did. That issue goes only to mitigation and not guilt or innocence.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm
The mens rea for murder is intent or malice aforethought. You think about it and then you go out to commit the actus reus of the crime.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm
“If UMNO-BN win by a landslide, UMNO-BN will rule Malaysia in perpeituity. Hence, best way is UMNO-BN to lose. Lose Big.” looes74
What you and I think don’t matter. Our votes don’t count. Why don’t they count?? Because they will rig the elections. A declaration of a state of emergency will mean parliament will be suspended and replaced by another body.
Am I a defeatist? No. and yes, UMNO-BN will go on ruling for as long 60% of the electorate supports them. Right now they look set to rule after 2013.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 12:30 pm
“Some hypotheticals for you guys to think about”- Mr Bean
Waste time. Might get choked with the nasi lemak.
A line has been drawn in the sand between Najib and RPK after RPK made damaging allegation disclosures of Najib’s and Rosmah’s involvement in the murder of Altantuya.
It is a zero sum game for both of them. A winner takes all and the loser either goes 6ft underground or incarcerated.
RPK has nothing to lose and Najib has all to lose and Najib all the power he has now so as not to lose.
All the legal hypotheticals are of no consequence to the outcome.
Will Najib go to jail? At this point in time, NO. But Najib will carry to his grave this stigma that he is perceived by Malaysians as also having blood on his hands for the murder of Altantuya.
You may call him stupid but on the other side of the coin, others may see you as a wimp. He stuck out his neck. Soldiers stuck their necks out and die on battlefield for a political ideology for which they don’t understand except to obey orders.
RPK is taking a stance where wimps and slimy cowards like Pak Abu dare only to show he has balls in the dark corners, but found to have none when he is made to come out in broad daylight.
RPK stood by his principles, whether one agrees with him or not, and he put his money where his mouth is.
You can’t say that for yourself and neither can most of us here loudmouthing in darkness on Din’s blog.
Frank - December 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Oh and forgive me but thank you to Mr Bean for the vote of confidence. However as frank is commenting here we may just have to that bit more than pen our disgust at the current situation.
Kathy - December 14, 2010 at 4:02 pm
“RPK stood by his principles, whether one agrees with him or not, and he put his money where his mouth is.”
Cafe-latte Frank is right on the money.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 6:46 pm
And, Kathy, don’t worry about Sir Lancelot. I put him back in the stable with his hay where he belongs until the next race.
Mr Bean - December 14, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Hi Mr Bean I know that you are missing your Emmie!
Kathy - December 15, 2010 at 3:44 am
Emmie was here http://www.wateringole.blogspot.com
Mr Bean - December 15, 2010 at 11:11 am
Mr. Merican,
Can please clarify…seems to have one ” Labuan” and another but small letters throughout “labuan”… commenting…are there the same?
thks.
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Fairplay, I am monitoring and once I am positive that Labuan and labuan are one and the same person, I will bell the cat.–Din Merican
fairplay - December 17, 2010 at 11:57 am
fairplay,
What’s your problem man?????
You’re such a crybaby.Yes, Labuan and labuan is the same person but it’s just a matter of typo error. What’s the big deal?
The most important thing is I used the same email add. Am not too stupid to use the same email if I want to be someone else!!!!
Mr Din, sorry for this unintentional mistake but any appropriate action you may take against me is fine.
labuan - December 22, 2010 at 2:42 am