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Justice for Dato Ramli Yusuff Overdue

February 26, 2010

Dato Ramli Yusuff’s Acquittal is called for in the name of Justice.

by Din Merican

Yesterday, Bernama reported that Dato Ramli Yusuff , the former Commercial Crimes Investigations Director (CCID), Polis DiRaja Malaysia will have to wait till March 12, 2010 to know  whether he will be acquitted without his defence being called. Reproduced below is Bernama’s report:

KUALA LUMPUR, February 25, 2010 — The Sessions Court here today set March 12, 2010 to rule on former Bukit Aman Commercial Crime Investigation Department Director (CCIDD) Datuk Ramli Yusuff who is facing two charges of failing to declare ownership of shares and interests in two properties worth more than RM1 million.

Judge M. Gunalan fixed the date after hearing submissions from deputy public prosecutor Datuk Abdul Razak Musa and Ramli’s counsel Datuk Seri Muhammad Shafee Abdullah. A total of 35 prosecution witnesses had testified during the trial,  including Ramli’s two younger sisters Roslina and Rohmah.

Ramli’s friend, Datuk Ling Keak Ming, who assisted the former senior police officer sisters in acquiring the two shop-lots at Jalan Yap Kwan Seng here, also testified.

Ramli, 57, was charged with failing to declare the ownership of 20,000 Telekom Malaysia Berhad shares, 154,000 Permaju Industries Berhad shares and interests in two office properties worth RM1,032,840. The offences were allegedly committed at the office of the ACA Deputy Public Prosecutor in Putrajaya on September 17, 2007. — Bernama

Dato Ramli and Dato Seri ShafeeThis happened after Dato’ Razak Musa told Judge Gunalan that he wanted to make additional oral submissions although Dato’ Seri Muhammad Shafee Abdullah had already informed the Court that full written submissions had been filed by both sides.

Razak’s insistence on making oral submissions makes one believe that he is such an eloquent and persuasive advocate who could sway the case in the MACC’s favour. But as it turned out, Razak became a jester and an embarrassment  in court, just as he did in Teoh Beng Hock’s Inquest in his infamous retort to Karpal Singh – “I can sit down but you can’t stand up” making fun of Karpal for being an invalid.

Sadly, that is how the Malays like Razak have become  under the NEP affirmative action policy. Malays have not become smarter; in stead, they have become  ” bodoh sombong” (boldly stupid).

It was “bodoh sombong” because by that insistence Razak had just challenged the brilliant and very successful legal mind like my friend Dato’ Seri Shafee  to a verbal exchange. And what a mistake that was! Whatever critics may say of  him, Shafee is certainly one eloquent and persuasive advocate.

In no time, Dato Seri Shafee showed how foolish the MACC case was against Dato Ramli.  He demolished the case made out by Razak.  He informed Judge Gunalan that in a related case against Dato’ Ramli in Sabah, Kota Kinabalu Judge Supang Lian had dismissed the ACA’s case and acquitted Dato’ Ramli without even calling for his defence.

In simple layman’s term, that means that the ACA  which has since been reincarnated into MACC by statute never had a case against Dato’ Ramli. In layman’s term, Dato’ Ramli was fixed by those who feel threatened by the  CCIDD’s competency, integrity and professionalism.  As if to add insult to injury, Judge Supang Lian also said that IGP Tan Sri Musa Hassan is an unreliable witness whose evidence was suspect. That is a very mild way of saying “ I cannot and  do not believe you because I caught you lying!”

During yesterday’s submission, Judge Gunalan showed his displeasure  towards Dato’ Razak. Already those in the gallery noted that while Dato Seri  Shafee referred to Judge Gunalan respectfully as ” Yang Arif”,  Razak did not once use that respectful term in addressing the Judge. Sheer Arrogance of the man. The most he did was to say “Tuan”. Even so, he behaved contemptuously when, in desperation, he said – ” This court must keep an open mind at this stage….” implying that the Judge had closed his mind. Well, no one can blame the Judge for his displeasure after seeing that Razak’s own submission was very weak and showed that he had not made a prima facie case against Dato Ramli.

In evaluating the witnesses, Judge Gunalan observed that the case against Dato’ Ramli started with the s. 32 Notices issued by MACC DPP Kevin Anthiony Morais. Kevin based it purely on the statement of one underworld operator, Moo Sai Chin. This man is a known criminal and a self confessed briber, murderer, pimp and everything else that an underworld kingpin is.

Judge Gunalan noted that Moo had earlier been detained by the CID and upon his release under suspicious circumstances, he had a ” sudden wave of conscience” to voluntarily attend at the MACC HQ to complain against several police officers whom he had bribed to cover up a murder case in Perak. The Judge remarked causticly that Moo never actually named Dato Ramli in any report.

In fact the officers whom Moo had named were not even investigated. Instead, it was the MACC which then lodged several cover reports against Dato Ramli. The Judge also tracked the suspicious reports from No. 098/07 which was based on No. 075/2007, which was based on 072/2006, which was based on 065/2006. Why so many cover reports and who was being covered is a question that only the MACC can answer.

Judge Gunalan also noted that without the basis of a properly conducted or completed investigation, DPP Kevin Anthony Morais, as the Deputy Director of Prosecution for MACC, then served on Ramli two s. 32 Notices requiring Dato Ramli to declare all his assets going back to the day he first joined the police force in 1970.

Without even interviewing the accused, Kevin Morais instructed Dato Ramli to be arrested and charged. That Dato Ramli was arrested and his only statement was recorded on the very morning just before he was charged is significant  as it showed that all is not well with the MACC. It showed the recording of statement process is just a “melepaskan batuk ditangga”. It showed that the MACC and A-G Gani Patail had decided to charge Ramli regardless of what he  might say in his statement to explain the assets in question.

The Judge also observed that  there was “no proper investigation”, hence there was no basis to issue the notice against Dato Ramli when Dato Seri Shafee narrated all the facts that proved that there was no bona fide investigation. The MACC and A-G Gani Patail  just wanted to crucify Ramli Yusuff and put him on the stand as a warning against anyone who dared to challenge those in the corridors of power.

For good measure they charged Dato Ramli’s lawyer friend, Rosli Dahlan, regardless that there was no predicated offence to invoke the issuance of the Notice against either of them. This was a display of brute power  and arrogance. It was made clear to Judge Gunalan that Kevin Morais had exercised his powers in an arbitrary and oppressive fashion.Why Kevin who is “soft” in many ways would act so vindictively would only be known if Kevin would admit that he was “under orders”.

Hopefully, Kevin would be a good Christian and repent. As it is, many Church goers are already reminding Kevin of God’s punishment on the people of Sodom. Well that seems to be the same logic used by A-G Gani in prosecuting Anwar Ibrahim in the on-going Sodomy II trial.

Back to this case, it was alarming to note that when the issue of  the validity of the notice was raised,  Dato Razak blandly retorted that even if the notice was bad, that can only be challenged in a civil High Court. He argued that since Dato Ramli did not challenge the validity of the Notice in a separate proceedings in a civil High Court, therefore ,he s forfeited all rights to challenge the notice at all.

This was really warped logic. It is as if Razak had amnesia of the fact that Lawyer Rosli Dahlan had done exactly that, by challenging the Notice in an application for Judicial review in the High Court. And guess what? The same MACC and the same A-G’s office argued that Rosli’s application must be dismissed as it interfered with the criminal case.

To observers who have been following Ramli’s and Rosli’s trial, it is all very clear that IGP Musa Hassan and A-G  Gani Patail had used the MACC as a tool in the conspiracy and persecution of Dato Ramli Yusuff and Rosli Dahlan. That happened to these two unfortunate professionals who dared to stand their ground can also happen to any innocent citizen like you and I.

That this same A-G can go on a US tour to lecture the world’s biggest democracy on “Rule of Law and the Malaysian Judiciary” at CSIS seminar in Washington DC is an insult to all Malaysians. But the fact that  he never turned up at the seminar is a clear sign that he cannot face questions for  the audience with regard to Justice and the Rule of Law in our country.

Let us say to our Prime Minister Najib – look, enough is enough. Please stop this nonsense because not only God is watching from a distance, but we Malaysians will no longer take this insult to our good sense and intelligence.  To Judge Gunalan, we have this to say to you, Yang Arif: come March 12, 2010, you  must be as brave as Judge Supang Lian  to administer the justice and show us Malaysians that there are still judges in our  country who can act independent and on the basis of all the evidence  acquit  Dato Ramli Yusuff without his defence being called.

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61 Responses to “Justice for Dato Ramli Yusuff Overdue”

  1. ” For what is the best choice , for each individual , is the highest it is possible for him to achieve .” – Pearl S. Buck

  2. Ramli was the best Commissioner of Police for Sabah. He and his army partner acted bravely against Umno led in illegal immigrants appreciated for their voting for BN and Umno to stay in power and usurp the rights of Sabahans. Thank you Datuk.

  3. Din,
    Don’t threaten these idiots with the fear of God. You see, they don’t believe in God. They are fake Muslims. They are the ugliest Malays ever to grace this earth.
    They don’t believe in the hereafter, either.

    The only positive sign in this case is that the judge is an Indian and not a Malay. Justice in this country is only possible if the judge is a Chinese or an Indian.
    (Except for one Indian botak who died like a worm recently.)

  4. just dont understand why Ramli yusuf employ a crookish lawyer name shafee abdullah for his defense, can you really trust this fella

  5. Din,

    Thank you for telling us all this … this AG Petai and IGP Musang will go to hell very soon !

  6. Ramli’s position as a senior cop responsible for keeping the streets safe was never justified in his actions , at least not in Sabah.

    As the states top cop , Ramli treated his tenure in sabah more of a paid vacation rather than a tour of duty and was a total let down failing in what was expected of a CPs daunting job of reigning in Sabahs’ rising street violence perpetuated mainly by thousands of illegal aliens. Aliens whose continued presence in the state should’ve not been in the first place had those in charge of guarding the borders including Ramli’s police force done their duties.

    How ironic it seems , Ramli , now seeks justice from an institution which he was a part of that had denied citizens of Malaysia in Sabah of theirs.

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    Danildaud,

    You must be mistaken to fault Dato’ Ramli with the ills that plague Sabah today.

    I did my homework of what you said above. Dato’ Ramli was the most successful Commissioner Police that Sabah ever had. During his tenure from 2001 to 2003/4, he formed the joint task force with the army and actually eradicated the illegal immigrant problems that plagued Sabah for decades. The Moro infiltration stopped, the crime index dipped by 23% within the first 6 months of his tenure there too. Sabah had relative peace and tranquility never previously enjoyed. It was for all these and other reasons that the then Chief Minister Dato’ Chong Kah Kiat felt warranted to award him “tanah kurnia”. Was the Federal Government grateful? No! Why? Because the “illegal immigrants” had been issued with NRIC by the Biro Tatanegara and Ramli had disrupted this election ploy. For that he was brought back to Semenanjung on a lateral move as CPO Pahang, which is another success story of this professional policeman.

    By the way, did you catch the recent Discovery Channel recent on notable crimes in Asia which featured the murder case of Jean Sinnapa, the Malaysian beauty queen in the 1970s? That case was significant in the legal annals because it was solved and conviction secured by circumstantial evidence, very much like the famous Sunny Ang case in Singapore. Guess who was the investigating officer? Yes, ASP Ramli Yusuff as he was then. Mind you, this was before the TV series CSI etc.

    The career dosier of this offficer is replete with success stories like that. In his last posting as the Director CCID in 2006/2007, he was just about to destroy the loanshark Along syndicate when this incident befell him. Please read back what RPK had written on this including the fact that he was the officer who held back Rahim Noor from further assaulting Anwar Ibrahim and for testifying against Rahim during the Royal Inquiry, as punishment for which he was exiled to Sabah. There is only consistency in all his actions as a professional crime buster.

    I came on board to support his cause after doing all this homework!—Din Merican

  7. Senior police officers with the commercial crimes division or those dealing in vice and drug trafficking having to face charges in court for something like failure to disclose assets (or fully disclose assets) and for being involved in business while being in government employment? Are we supposed to be shocked? We are talking Malaysia here people! A country where corruption has been endemic for years. Show me a senior commercial crimes officer who is as poor as a church mouse and I will show you what the face of innocence looks like.

    If you are charged with failure to disclose assets fully that you as a government employee is required by law to disclose, what could be your defense or defenses?

    Defense 1: You did disclose your assets as required by law.

    Defense 2: What you did not disclose are not legally yours. Neither are they held in trust for you.

    And if you are charged with doing business as a director of a real estate company while being a government employee prohibited from so engaging by say General Orders (or some other specific legislation), what could be the defense?

    Defense 3: You are not a director. You are not a director having pecuniary interest in the company. You are doing pro bono work for a company owned by your siblings. The company does not exist. Which?

    This is the same guy who goes around chauffer driven in a luxury car like the BMW and owns properties in the Golden Triangle, and shares in public listed companies worth millions. He could have won a lottery or came by sudden wealth one day like a family inheritance, or a major beneficiary of the NEP, made his pot of gold through the stock market and had the foresight to invest his earnings. A man is entitled to flaunt his wealth once in a while. That is not a crime.

    Why then didn’t he disclose his assets? A guilty mind?

    There are clearly issues which could be adjudicated only during the course of a trial. So it looks like he has a case to answer.

    ______________
    Bean,

    Being far away in NY, you may have missed some material facts about this case:

    1) Ramli Yusuff had made 35 asset declarations in his 32 years of service;

    2) Ramli did obtain approval for wanting to set up a family company. The evidence had been posted in one of RPK’s articles in this series;

    3) You must have mistaken his lawyer’s BMW as his. I know because I have seen that both his lawyers have chaffeur driven BMW during my attendance on court to report on this case. After his interdiction, he was given neither pay nor pension. His wife who is a Sessions Court Judge owns a Toyota Camry which he frequently uses.

    So be fair to this man who has suffered enough and not take potshots at him as he tries to rebuild his life.___Din Merican

  8. So it looks like he has a case to answer.Bean.

    Yes, you are right. But what about UMNO cronies driving Porsche around town with trophy girlfriends. You see them at 5 stars hotels everyday smoking cigars and showing off their trophies. If your argument is applicable than we have not enough court to try them all.

    You should know that in this country there are peoples who are untouchable by law. And this is the rule of law and good governance that the 3 clowns were tasked to convey to Uncle Sam in recent circus show.

  9. ooop…trial

  10. New Yorker Bean,

    You should know that Dato Ramli is a victim of a conspiracy by two of our most feared individuals, one a top cop with links to the Along syndicate and other underworld activities and another an incompetent and intellectually shallow legal lackey of UMNO government who lost Pedra Branca (Pulau Batu Putih) to Singapore at the ICJ in the Hague.

    Din’s piece shows us that the former CCIDD has no case to answer. Here is a story of someone whose promising career has been prematurely terminated to enable an incumbent IGP to keep his job.The matter is also linked to the case of Rosli Dahlan, who has been victimised because he and Dato Ramli are good friends.

    I do not know enough about Dato Ramli’s work in Sabah. From whatever I can gather about the man is that he was within a whisker of being the next IGP. Simplistically speaking, he was a good cop and had an outstanding track record. Maybe someone who knows Dato Ramli well–other than Rosli Dahlan– will respond to Bean’s comments and those of Danildaud.

  11. Mr Tean,

    On what basis other than your agreeing with New Yorker Bean for saying that Dato Ramli has a case to answer. Don’t be a parrot. We have enough parrots (birds and humans) here to make our country into another Zimbabwe or Myanmar. MACC and the AG’s office are being used to victimise a Police Officer who is also a private citizen.

    Read Din’s piece again carefully before you make another of your off the cuff remarks. Dato Ramli’s future is involved and as the evidence implied in Din’s piece shows, he has no case to answer.

  12. New Yorker Bean and Danildaud,

    I have responded to your comments based on information I was able to gather about Dato Ramli. I met him personally when I was in court following his case and Rosli Dahlan’s.

    I am interested in justice and also try to see this case as a glaring attempt by men in power to put professionals who are being victimised for doing their work through an emotional roller coaster or meat grinder with a view to breaking them emotionally and financially. The government has lots of money funded by taxpayers whereas Ramli and Rosli have to use their own savings to meet court charges and legal fees. It is easy for us to forget this reality.

    I have myself– you know that, New Yorker Bean–suffered injustice and humiliation in a corporate environment. Fortunately, I never had to face the kind of pressure that both Dato Ramli and Lawyer Rosli Dahlan are going through now to protect their reputation. They are courageous men who stand up for justice.–Din Merican

  13. While all fair minded and peace loving people would want justice done, recent prosecution trends/actions/judgement has clearly proven beyond any doubt that fairness & gamesmanship is last on the minds of these power grabbers, sex maniacs, opportunists, sycophants and/or outright criminals behind the despicable cover of Islam / Ketuanan Melayu and which has become the raison d etre of UMNO, and license to rape and plunder. Whoever stands in the way will be painfully terminated , such as the duo above , Anwar and then some.
    We have to do much more than plead for fairness nor care about the presiding Judges’s color or his religious rubber stamp.

    Finally, Din, we will need action from you & me and us. And fast

  14. “What basis other than your agreeing with New Yorker Bean for saying that Dato Ramli has a case to answer. ” Ahmadi Hussein

    I do not need to be fully acquainted with the particular facts of a case like this one to know that the prosecution could easily discharge its evidential burden of proof which at this very preliminary stage is merely to provide sufficient evidence, the veracity of which if unrebutted would tend to prove the guilt of the accused.

    If the evidence submitted by the prosecution is reasonable, could be believed, has the veracity required and if unrebutted (key words being ‘if unrebutted’ and ‘veracity’) would tend to show the guilt of the accused, then the accused has a case to answer – which does not mean he is guilty of the crime he has been charged with. He merely has a case to answer.

    Once the judge rules that the prosecution has submitted sufficient evidence to make up a prima facie case against the accused, counsel for the defense would be called to make his case for the defense i.e. calling witnesses for the defense to testify and be cross-examined by the prosecution etc.

    At this stage all the prosecution needs to do is just to show triable issues and it appears like there are. The judge has to let these issues go to trial. He has no choice.

    On the other hand if the prosecutor fails to provide sufficient evidence to meet the standard of a prima facie case, the would have to be dismissed without his defense being called.

    What do you think? I don’t know. I was not present during the preliminary hearing to hear the evidence. But if you ask me to guess, I’d say he very likely would have to make his defense.

    The government may have some other motive or motives in wanting to put this guy away but that is not relevant to the issue of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

  15. Din Merican,

    I understand where you’re going with your comments on justice and fair play.

    But the only issue in this case is the accused guilty of the crime or crimes he is charged with? Nothing else matters – neither good character evidence, nor his persecution (as opposed to prosecution) at the hands of vested interests who would like to see him put away as a warning to others who are thinking of offering their less than full cooperation as prosecution witnesses. Neither does the practice of selective prosecution.

    The fact that others guilty of more serious crimes are not, have not been prosecuted does not make him less guilty of the crime or crimes he is charged with. The fact that he has been found guilty of other crimes, for example, does not make him guilty of this one.

    You mentioned the fact that his wife is a sessions court judge. Is that an issue which goes to his credibility? I think not.

  16. Din Merican,

    Again the issues you raised in your response to Danildaud, have no relevance to the guilt or otherwise of the accused for the crimes he has been charged with. At best it is good character evidence and good character evidence is not admissible to prove guilt or lack of it. You may be a crime buster in your younger days and have track records to show but that is not relevant to prove or disprove guilt in this case.

    A priest who has been preaching for all his life. Is that supposed to show that he is unlikely to be a pedophile?

  17. Once he is found guilty, then good character evidence enters into evidence at the mitigation stage when he is about to be sentenced. It goes to mitigation and not guilt or innocence.

  18. The only issue here is how is a government employee able to amass such wealth during his career as a law enforcement officer? The mere fact that a person in such a position of authority is able to amass such wealth when his contemporaries are not able to, deserves investigation. If left unexplained it is prima facie proof of corruption and abuse of power.

    Was there full disclosure of his assets as required by law? If he made less than full disclosure, why? Less than full disclosure means you could have him charged for tax evasion which is a separate issue from corruption. Is it an accounting error on the part of his accountant?

  19. Bean,

    Your legal knowledge is so impressive that may I suggest you start your own legal blog explaining your wonderful (but sorry booooring!) legal theories at your own time and space. Casual readers like me appreciate Din’s simple explanation of the crux of the issues at hand. So, before you spoil my weekend, please sign off…..

  20. Din said that “Ramli Yusuff had made 35 asset declarations in his 32 years of service” and that is more than all our Cabinet Ministers collectively made in their lifetime. You perhaps ignored this material fact and the judgment of the KK court. Well, you are trained in law; but please read Din’s article again. Character counts in all cases, not just in mitigation.

  21. that faggot, Kevin?

    need another rendevous with your boy in London before testifying agian, Kevin?

  22. Mr.Din,

    As far as I see this case is between Ramli Yusoff and MACC,how come PM Najib being drag into this?

  23. What is clear from what has been written thus far, is that Dato Ramli is a victim his own competence. Taking on ‘organized crime’ be it in the private or public sector (or in this case, both) can be extremely deleterious to health and sanity. Ramli and Rosli took on the artillery and are worse for wear. Kudos’ for that.

    But, I also agree with Bean’s take on corruption. A little ‘sin’, is still a sin.
    In this case, would one consider this as ‘selective persecution’? What is clear is that there is no abuse of ‘due process’, but an abuse of ‘justice’ as a whole…

  24. Orang Lama,

    Najib can put things right, and not perpetuate the mistakes of the Mahathir era. Bring back the Rule of Law, restore the independence of judges and make his government accountable, transparent and people centered in deeds not just words. He cannot do all that because UMNO warlords including Mahathir will slice him up if he acts contrary to their interests.

    His political survival depends his ability to play UMNO politics in the “right” way. In short, he knows what he must do, but he is not free to act. That is why Khir Toyo, for example, is still Scot free, despite amassing a huge personal fortune during his tenure as Selangor Menteri Besar.

    BTW the MACC reports to the Prime Minister. So Najib can stop this selective persecution. I am surprised that you are unable to see the link.–Din Merican

  25. Mr Danilldaud and Law Expert Bean,

    Dato Ramli Yusuff is one of the rare breed of policemen who the country can be proud of, quite unlike many of his senior colleagues in the Force like that despicable Musang Hassan. He should have been the IGP but then the corrupted powers did not allow it?

    There is no way the UMNO/BN gomen will keep these types of individuals of integrity and courage under fire. They only want police officers who are blatanly corrupt and dirty. Yang Arif Judge Gunalan, please act without fear or favour! See that justice is done. In this case, Dato Ramli should be freed without his defence being called.

  26. So, before you spoil my weekend, please sign off…..”Confused

    Confused,

    If you have problems understanding Mr.Bean’s analysis of the case, then YOU have a problem.

    Mr. Bean is doing us a favour to explain the intricacies of the law.

    If you cannot follow Mr. Bean’s point of view, you don’t deny others. Sheeesh!!!

  27. What is this new thing coming into the scene about ‘Kevin and His English Boy’? Has it something to do with Soddom and Gomorrah in the Bible. If so, he must be an expert at inserting batons into the anus of victims and relishing it and getting an orgasm at the same time.

    It is a miscarriage of justice that Kevin was not given full powers along with Augustine Paul to handle Anwar. Kevin could have assisted the unlamented disgrace for a Judge and made Anwar’s first Sodommy Case more thrilling.

    Why must this country be riddled with specimens like him who ruin the name and image of organs of Government which are expected to be illustrious and above reproach.

    After all, the son of Kevin’s previous Boss was caught in Brisbane for an unsavoury act. So what can the Rakyat expect from the subordinates of the Boss.

  28. Frank,

    It seems syok sendiri Professor Bean also has a parrot Frank-ie. Let’s be frank Frank, Beanie and you just want to flood Din’s blog with your ramblings to divert from the real issues at hand. Enrol yourself in law school if you want to learn the intricacies of the law. Better still, you can subscribe to Beanie’s distance law lectures…. but plese do it at your own time.

    Btw, so unoriginal of you to copy “Sheeesh!!!”. That’s RPK’s line. Ask Professor Beanie before you go about plagiarising people’s line.

  29. “I do not need to be fully acquainted with the particular facts of a case like this one…….”- Bean

    if you dunno facts, then don’t talk cock. Take Frank your fan with you, sit one corner quietly and discuss your theories with him. or write to law journal, not here….

  30. Yes, sheeesh to that Frank.

  31. Confused uses two other handles at a minimum. Sheeeesh to that too.

  32. “You perhaps ignored this material fact and the judgment of the KK court. Well, you are trained in law; but please read Din’s article again. Character counts in all cases, not just in mitigation.” Ahmad Hussein

    In other words, the fact that you pray five times a day makes you less of a criminal than someone say, Frank who does not pray at all??

    Contrary to your allegation, I did not ignore nor gloss over the fact that the accused has been reported as having declared his assets 35 times previously. I thought the charge was failure to disclose fully his assets and not that he did not disclose at all.

    “Character counts in all cases, not just in mitigation.” Ahmad Hussein

    Are you saying that the fact that you always pay your parking tickets and your taxes that you couldn’t have shop lifted at Ah Chong Kedai Runcit?

  33. Chong Kah Kiat a relic from a defunct Harris Salleh’s party Berjaya that ruled sabah in 76 – 85 was a stand in CM courtesy of Mamak Kutty’s rotation system.
    In his short two year stint as CM , Chong , in order to make a lasting impression of himself conjured a combination of decietful methods akin to the ‘serve two masters’ ways of KSK and fruity ‘accolades’ of tycoon , Vincent Tan , convinced mamak kutty to allow him to have a go at weeding out illegals in the state. Ramli being at the right place at the right time , incidentaly for not one but two occasions , first as police commisioner , who simply played along to the directives of the executives and secondly , it was here in sabah that he was fortunate to have met the woman destined to be his soul mate , yang arif Anita Harun.

    Apparently ‘Ops PTI’ came to a halt soon after chong relinquished the CM post , if Ramli was bold enough as what Din Merican wish to imply , than he should’ve continued the tasked of ridding the state of aliens instead of leaving the problem to stagnate midway , while at the same token have the audicity to accept ‘tanah kurnia’ presumably a pre-gift proposal , nevermind if the intended mission failed to accomplish!!

    Din,
    Is it lawful for a civil servant to accept gifts in return for service rendered?

  34. Dear Sir,
    I know Datuk Ramly but from afar. He isnt a saint as you make him out to be. I emphathize with him but that’s about as far as I would go! You mean one can rake up millions by just being a very hardworking and diligent and honest Police Officer? Then you can believe that I am the King of Siam!! You mean he was set up simply because he stood his ground on matters of principle? No Sir, I beg to differ!

    There is an old adage that if you want to clean the dishes, then you must be ready to get your hands dirty. So if you want to “lawan towkay” then, to put it bluntly, make sure your backside is clean. You cant have it both ways mate! ( No disrespect to Sdr Anwar!). You are either corrupt or you are not!

    During a casual talk with YB Karpal, ( I do not know if he would recall it which took place many, many years ago in the canteen of the ciivil courts which was then premised at Denmark House ), he mentioned that the Special Branch on the directions of the powers-that-be ( I dont want to mention names here ) were ordered to rake up on his history and conduct to see if there is anything at all they can come up with, whether real or perceived, to fix him up as YB Karpal was deemed a constant pain to the BN govt ( he still is).

    Not surprisingly, they couldnt come up with anything beefy enough to sully his image. The best they could come up with was when Tengku Adnan let fly some insignificant comments about the ancestral roots of YB Karpal’s wife. That’s how low our politicians would stoop to.

    The point I am trying to make is that Datuk Ramli should not be painted as an all-encompassing Saint who was charged in a case of The Good vs The Evil. No Sir, they charged him because he had dirt on his back which was fodder for his opponents and detractors. They charged him because Datuk Ramly exposed his weaknesses and the the vultures just pounced on him.

    But please do not misconstrue this as an endorsement of the underhand tactics employed by the MACC which stinks to kingdom come. That Sir, would be the topic for another day.

    The real victim in this entire episode is lawyer Rosli, who for all intents and purposes, was just discharging his duties to his client. That he was roughed-up, brutalised and hand-cuffed infront of his staff and colleagues and locked-up during the eve of Hari Raya and that the powers-that-be tacitly endorsed such blatant misconduct by the MACC officers ( including MOHAN who was charged with corruption recently) is unbelievable, to say the least. One would have thought such conduct were only common in a tin-pot democracy like Zimbabwe.

    So my prayers go for Sdr Rosli Sir, not for Datuk Ramli.

    ssseelan.blogspot.com

  35. Today you would like to think you’re seeing a good man being prosecuted from crimes he did not do. Some may say his good work as a police officer should be taken into account, his frolics – pale in comparison with the others – should be ignored. After all he was a commercial crimes division top gun dealing with major crime figures of the underworld. Bible and Koran totting individuals must know what temptation could do. We are all sinners.

    One day, God forbid, some of us may be so unlucky at to have our daughters raped by a group of police officers, or our sons charged with rape or some other crimes which he did not do. Are we supposed to think and feel that the police officers charged with the rape of our daughters should not be charged or should be set free or given lenient sentences because of their life time of work as dedicated law enforcement officers who put their lives on the line everyday for us?

  36. It is not how well he got on with his wife’s mother. It is not how well he cared for the welfare of his men when he was a police officer. It is not how much of a pain in the ass he has been to his superior officers and his handlers and his political masters.

    The only relevant issue is “Did he or did he not commit the crime he is charged with – not with other crimes but the crime or crimes he is charged with”.

  37. “You mean one can rake up millions by just being a very hardworking and diligent and honest Police Officer? Then you can believe that I am the King of Siam!! ” s.s. seelan

    Is it a coincidence that advocates of this school of thought are also advocates of another school of thought i.e. the one that gives legitimacy to politicians and public officials who reap the spoils of office, carving out financial empires for themselves, their families and cronies, in return for a life time of public service?

  38. People must understand that the system in Malaysia is not perfect. We cannot expect perfection from people in the system. Until the system is changed, we cannot expect high standards of legal niceties. The point is not to make Ramli out to be a saint to be revered but to recognize that at the point of time when an individual had a chance to do the right thing, whether or not he did so for the bigger picture. Ramli had taken advantage of opportunities that came by for financial security, but he fulfilled his responsibility professionally. Critics must understand that the present DPM went to Pulau Gaya to meet his UMNO people and thereafter stopped the action against the illegals because he needed the Gaya UMNO division votes for his party posts and all divisions that are full of former Filipinos and Indonesians. Ramli did not disgrace the country and the Police the way that the present IGP attracted to himself. For those legal eagles baying for the Rule of Law, not only Ramli should be audited but every one from the PM down to the underlings should be subjected to what Ramli had to endure. Then you should be so self-rightous and do your part to change the system.

  39. “Ramli had taken advantage of opportunities that came by for financial security, but he fulfilled his responsibility professionally.” mama

    Yes, nobody was hurt in the process. Nobody has had to suffer. He did not steal nor put his hand in the cookie jar nor loot the national coffers as elected officials do. Nobody is the poorer because of him. He was paid to look the other way and for that he was given a very small share in the ill-gotten gains from the criminal activities of others. This is a crime without victims.

    On the other hand as a senior police officer for some 38 years he was instrumental in bringing criminals to justice.

  40. I’m getting a strange feeling that under a Pakatan government business will be as usual. I wonder why.

  41. But the only issue in this case is the accused guilty of the crime or crimes he is charged with? Nothing else matters ..Bean

    Bean’s intelligence does not lead him to the third reason.
    In Ramli’s case it is not not to find him guilty. It is to discredit him, to teach him a lesson, to humiliate him and to keep him occupied with the charge till his 58th birthday, after which he will be retiree and not entitled to any promotions or extension of contract.
    Come on Bean, don’t you know the Malaysian courts are UMNO and PDRMs toys?

  42. In Mr. Bean’s post at 09:07 he states:

    But the only issue in this case is the accused guilty of the crime or crimes he is charged with?

    And then Mr. Bean continues at 09:41 with:

    The only issue here is how is a government employee able to amass such wealth during his career as a law enforcement officer?

    Seems Mr. Bean you have a lot of “onlys” that conflict greatly. Lets recount what Ramli is charged with:

    “…charged with failing to declare the ownership of 20,000 Telekom Malaysia Berhad shares, 154,000 Permaju Industries Berhad shares and interests in two office properties worth RM1,032,840”

    Hard to see in the charges against Ramli how they relate at all as to how Ramli earned his assets during his career as a law enforcement officer? So if as you say the key issue is if Ramli is guilty “of the crime or crimes he is charged with?“ then why are you bringing up how he amassed his wealth, potential tax evasion charges and very confidently state he must have a “guilty mind”. None of this has anything to do with if he failed to declare the assets under question, the issue which you state as the ONLY ISSUE.

    Don’t you think if the prosecution had any possibility of proving Ramli amassed wealth in a corrupt manner they would have charged him with the much more serious crime of corruption and not just non disclosure?

    Given you try to present yourself as a man of logic isn’t the logical conclusion that since Ramli has made 35 asset declarations during his career and the prosecution has chosen to not charge him for corruption that there is not one shred of evidence of any assets being accumulated by Ramli in a corrupt manner?

    Any comments, Mr. Bean?

  43. We know that. I understand that. I believe that.

    But what has that got to do, if anything, with the guilt or innocence of the accused for the crime or crimes he has been charged with?? It appears to me, rightly or wrongly, that this Ramli for all the fans he has out there, has a case to answer. Please explain how a government employee managed to amass such wealth? The last time I checked there is no crime in being wealthy.

    Of course, it is to find him guilty. Because finding him guilty and putting him away would be a lesson to those who dare think of disobeying orders from their political masters and their handlers.

  44. It appears like it is yet another case of selective prosecution in a string of such cases. But however corrupt the system, however warped, and convoluted our system of justice is, you cannot find an accused guilty without some evidence.

    In the case of police chief Ramli, did he or didn’t he make full and timely disclosure of his assets as required under the law? If he did not, why didn’t he? Negligence on his part? Oversight? He didn’t understand the law? Did he or didn’t he engage in business while in government service in contravention of government rules and regulations? It was claimed that he had been given prior permission.

    These are undoubtedly issues which need adjudication during the trial proper when testimonies would be given by witnesses from both sides and cross-examined and evidence submitted and tested for their veracity and accuracy.

  45. My bet is it will go to trial. It is certain that the judge will call for his defense.

    Having said that, the court may still find him not guilty. The Malaysian legal system is so full of surprises that nothing surprises us anymore. He may cut a plea deal with his political masters and be given a slap on the wrist while the rest of us ordinary mortals are condemned to languish, resigned to an uneventful existence eking out a living obeying the law.

    How’s that??

  46. “Don’t you think if the prosecution had any possibility of proving Ramli amassed wealth in a corrupt manner they would have charged him with the much more serious crime of corruption and not just non disclosure?” Smile

    Good question. How would I know? I am not privy to anything behind the scenes. If I were the head government prosecutor I would put a tail on all senior police officers in charge of organized crime, vice and drug and human trafficking. These are very lucrative businesses with proceeds running into the billions enough to be spread around many times over. Do not underestimate the power of corruption.

    I have Chinese friends who told stories of how Chinese commercial crime officers would walk into their offices and asked to make deals to avoid prosecution. Files were lost. Evidence tempered with. Relatives of those waiting trials for drug possession were demanded RM10k as the price for breaking the chain of custody of the drugs they were accused of having in their possession. What’s new?

    Why didn’t the government charge him with the more serious crime of corruption instead of, according to you, just non-disclosure or according to some reports, less than full disclosure? You tell me.

  47. I think this judge will have more balls. Isn’t it Nazri who said that non Malay judges are not good enough ( refereing to Bee Lian in the Allah case)?

  48. “Given you try to present yourself as a man of logic isn’t the logical conclusion that since Ramli has made 35 asset declarations during his career and the prosecution has chosen to not charge him for corruption that there is not one shred of evidence of any assets being accumulated by Ramli in a corrupt manner?” Smile

    I’m not trying to represent myself as anything. Just someone who has a stake in what is happening in the country of my birth and where I have my roots despite of the many years of being away.

    In your own words in the case of commercial crime chief Ramli there is “not one shred of evidence of any assets being accumulated … in a corrupt manner”. This is why we have courts. To determine if there is enough evidence to convict the guy. But it is important that the accused be given the benefit of the presumption of innocence.

    The innocent have been found guilty and the guilty have been allowed to walk free. It happens in every jurisdiction and not just peculiar to Malaysia. What is disturbing is that in Malaysia, powerful people in government work behind the scene with the minimum of concern for justice and the rule of law to ensure that their needs are met and their interests protected.

    It appears that we preside over a system of justice that not only allows some guilty ones to walk free so that the innocent is not found guilty, but a system so warped that lack of public confidence is the norm rather than the aberration.

  49. Bean emerged triumphant once again!!

  50. Bean, Bean and Bean again,

    You must love seeing your name over and over and over again. A narcissistic syndrome. problem. n Din;s blogEven if you are note tiredu get bored ever

  51. Apologies for that typo

    Bean, Bean and Bean again,

    You must love seeing your name over and over and over again. A narcissistic syndrome normally suffered by bored old man. Now sit quietly in one corner with a notepad and theorise all you want. Din should block him out less this becomes Bean’s blog instead of Din’s…..

  52. “Bean emerged triumphant once again!!”
    Danildaud – February 28, 2010 at 1:00 am

    The return of Mr Bean! Third season.

  53. For me.. if u really took bribes but u still do good your jobs is ok… those UMNO ppl took bribes.. but give u a taofoo buidling.. which drop into pieces…

  54. [...] Justice for Dato Ramli Yusuff Overdue February 26, 2010 Dato Ramli Yusuff’s Acquittal is called for in the name of Justice. by Din Merican Yesterday, [...] [...]

  55. “For me.. if u really took bribes but u still do good your jobs is ok… ” – wan2jus

    wan2jus,

    Sorry, as a matter of principle and morality, that is definitely not ok. We cannot condone crooked policeman even if we think he is not quite a saint. But didn’t the Malaysian Insider report earlier quoted the two DPPs as saying that mala fide/conspiracy theory is not a relevant defence because Dato’ Ramli was not charged for corruption (I am sure I saw it somewhere)? So if this is not a corruption case, there is no issue about Dato’ Ramli taking bribes.

    The point that I understood from Din and RPK is that the charges against Dato’ Ramli are all fabricated, a fix-up. And that’s why the Sabah Judge acquitted Ramli despite the IGP Musa Hassan testifying as the star witness. In this case too, Din’s and RPK’s previous reports said that the charges on the shares were afterthoughts. Wasn’t it reported that Kevin Morais admitted the Telekom shares were bought after the declaration date?

    But isn’t the point here again is that this man was accused of amassing extreme wealth of RM27million (see RPK’s posting today about Bernama’s lies) and that was why he was investigated in the first place? What happened to this part of the MACC story? Now Bernama say it is just RM 1million which is not even 5% of the value alleged. So the MACC is 95% incorrect?! or they are just as confused as I am???

  56. If you’re a confused idiot etc there’s little else anybody can do but for you to put that little tail of yours and crawl back to your hole you call home.

  57. When you next crawl out of your hole, don’t be such a gutless weasel. Use your original handle.

  58. I have known Dato’ Abdul Razak Musa personally over the last 20 years. In my opinion he is not arrogant. With respect to Datuk Shafee, whom I have known for an equally long time to be an eloquent and an effective counsel, there are counsel who “elevate” Sessions Court Judges, Magistrates and even DPPs to “Yang Arif” probably with the intention of … membodek (sorry I can’t find a suitable English word for bodek).

    I was present in Court during the exchange of which you write. I disagree with your judgement that it was arrogant for Dato’ Abdul Razak to address the Sessions Court Judge as Tuan.

  59. Lawyers are the best actors …

  60. To the AG N IGP of Mlaaysia just for 1 minite pause whatever u r doing.Pray to ALLAH and ask for forgiveness for whatever u hv done eg.supporting the syndicates corruption fixing the innocents who r not in the same tune as u and then think if u die tomorrow what hv u achive in yr life when u were given such an important roles in this otherwise beautiful Malaysia.

    If u do change by this very minite i am sure ALLAH will forgive u for all the sins u hv commited with the underworld.1 things for sure u 2 cant bring the money u hv made through to the next world.All the best n may ALLAH change u and make u know what priciple of life is goodluck!!!

  61. Hey MrCorrupted IGP since independence u hv made the worst IGP ever.Dont believe me just ask 99% of yr police force in Malaysia east/west and i bet to my very last dime they say u are the most corrupted and selfish/GREEDIEST and worst IGP ever(tiada bandingan untukmu) so please type yr resignation and hand over to our Prime Minister as u hv agreed with the MACC by end of March.

    No other IGP hv ever had such a pangkat and non have ever been working under the influence of ahlongs and underworld syndicate.U sure have made a fool of yourself for the 4-5 years u hv served as IGP and u sure hv made Malaysia Malu.


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