29 Responses to “Al Jazeera slams govt on PKFZ scandal”
PKFZ will remain one of the unsolved Malaysian mysteries. Like the truth on Teoh Beng Hock. Kugan, etc, this one will be covered-up as UMNO leaders are deeply involved. If MCA is alone involved in this massive fraud, the culprits would have been exposed and sent to Sungei Buloh.
I don’t expect Najib to do anything except to cover-up. Ong Tee Keat will be replaced and the new Minister of Transport (probably from MCA) will do a thorough cover-up this time. Expect investors to put their money here? Not a penny until there is a new government which can rebuild our national image. Even then it will take years.—Din Merican
We are not oblivious to our internal problems and inconsistencies, but these are miniscule compared to what the present government has been doing for 50 odd years.
Mismanagement of the economy (PFKZ scandal, Proton, Bank Negara Foreign Exchange Losses, Perwaja, etc), rampant corruption and blatant abuse of power…read Najib’s maiden Amanat Presiden where he acknowledges UMNO’s “challenges” and policy failures.
If UMNO has done well, why is there a need to call for “transformation” of the party into an inclusive political organisation for all Malaysians (and his slogan sound like KeADILan Untuk Semua, and PAS Untuk Semua) and policy changes? I am going to post his Amanat Presiden (excerpts) later so that you may read carefully.–Din Merican
I am going to post his Amanat Presiden (excerpts) later so that you may read carefully.–Din Merican
Din.
We are tired of listening to speeches and the same old songs. Actions speak louder than words. If it is true that Anwar didn’t want Zaid to go to Sabah (because Azmi Ali perhaps) than I must agree with Ilham Singh’s remarks. These people should just go back and play politics at kampung where beer, pigs, short skirts and lembu are main issues.
Pakatan is not about Anwar, Azmin, Hasan Ali, LKS or even Tok Guru.
Pakatan is about justice, good governance, democracy and fairness to all. If people like Hassan Ali and Zulkifli are free to impose their views on others, I have nothing more to say. Good luck Pakatan Rakyat.
Truth hurts.So let it be. Better than to live in fairyland before the shock comes in the next GE if no tangible change is perceived by Pakatan votes in the next few months.
But PKR is not only the problem. If you go to read the Harakah and in the majority of the articles about PAS leaders’ comments, it is always, “PAS YAKIN” this … “Pemimpin PAS YAKIN” that , …”Pemimpin Pakatan berbulat sura YAKIN..this and that, Presiden PAS YAKAN semua…” all the above…
They (the PAS leaders ) all YAKIN..all the time
I wonde what do they YAKIN about t when the mood on the ground is either ‘TAK YAKIN’ or “KURANG YAKIN’ with PAS, and starting with their own PAS leader in Selangor, Hassan ALi, who is virtually protected by his godfathers in PAS, ie i Hadi Awang and Nasharuddin Isa
PAS leaders think that just because the KHALWAT (secret meetings) between Deputy President Nasharudin and UMNO, the biadap of Hassan Ali , and the less than satisfactory response by both the PAS President and Deputy President on the cowhead incident, are not on the pages of the internet and the mass media today, voters have forgotten about them. A convenient amnesia.
The sad part is that these Muslim ulamas live in their own little world dictated by their selective reading and interpretation of the holy Book and for them, it is for the followers to listen TO as them, NOT the other as demanded the rules of politics. You are expected to listen to these ulama-politicians as though you are listening to a sermon. That is how they were trained for in their chosen vocation.
It is no wonder PKR and DAP have an exasperated time talking to these chaps.
So far DAP has not yet unglued itself. So far so good. And the only promise and good news we get is that PAS NIzar and the DAP chaps in Perak are getting along just fine . DAP supporters and voters inPerak view Nizar as even one of their own, which is a rare tribute to Nizar. The same cannot be said with other leaders, except maybe Khalid Samad. who is now endeared by almost ALL NON Muslim voters in Shah Alam and by the less religious fanatics among the PAS supporters.
Well said ILHAM from SINGapore and TEAN. Nothing further needs to be said except that continuous BN bashing while doing nothing to correct their own weaknesses is fast catching up with PR. Many “friends” have been warning them about this.
We simply cannot let such a coalition get to Putrajaya. Instead they ought to stay an opposition, with perhaps control of three states to cut their teeth before the electorate decides if they deserve any better.
If there is a movement to take us towards a more secular Malaysia, I will take the first flight and go home to Malaysia and never leave her shores ever again – even for a holiday. It would be politically suicidal for a leader like Anwar to think loudly of ‘secular’ Malaysia because that would be his Waterloo.. Zaid Ibrahim? They won’t even let him travel to Sabah.
According to CIk Salmiah Hussein on the other thread, we’re moving towards a more dangerous kind of politics best referred to as ‘foreskin politics’ and towards greater polarization and not less.
I have said before that one day PR will have to move on without PAS. If there is anything that has been learnt since March 2008 it is that the current composition of PR is untenable in the long run. Malaysia needs less religion, not more.
The only way is to introduce laws to take religion out of politics. Stop the use and exploitation of religion (read: Islam) as a political tool by politicians. They alone are responsible for the mess. But how do you even begin to do that?
Once you travel down that road it is impossible to reverse. You cannot re-grow your foreskin as no doubt Cik Salmiah Hassan would argue.
I am all for the secularization of the government, but i’d be very wary of abolishing religion totally in terms of governance. To force the masses to secularism before they are ready could lead to unhealthy denial and repression.
Worse still, is active repression of religion which breeds fundamentalism – in our case, a suppression of the influence of the more educated, sober and responsible elements of Islam – the moderate ulamas. There is a need for temperance in literal interpretation of the syariah, but there seems to be no reformists at this time capable of doing so.
I therefore believe that the Westminister model (with its nominal Anglicanization) is still the best for this nation. Not a totally ‘seclarized’ state like Turkey, which has its share of religious bigotry, like extrajudiciary killing of apostates. The fanaticsm has gone underground where the more extravagant forms of Sufism and medieval Wahabism thrive.
Of course, i agree with most of you about flurs like Hassan Ali, Zulkifli Nordin et al. who should not be in politics at all, with their misanthrophic views. Malaysia needs less dogma, doctrine and literalness in interpretation of religious laws.
Tean is unable to understand what has been happening in PKR post Bagan Pinang. He has access to me but has not been speaking or seeing me of late. His comments are based on media reports.
The differences between Zaid and Azmin Ali are minor, and can be sorted out in the long term interest of PKR by Anwar Ibrahim and our top leadership. Of course, Ilham Singh and Ilham are happy that they have won Tean over to the other side.–Din Merican
“I am all for the secularization of the government, but i’d be very wary of abolishing religion totally in terms of governance. To force the masses to secularism before they are ready could lead to unhealthy denial and repression.” Menyalak-er
When Tunku was PM Malaysia was a secular state. Even under Razak and Hussein we had the right mix of religion (read: Islam) and the secular. But this was to change with guess who?? Anwar Ibrahim.
Today the Malays have been brainwashed into thinking that any criticism of the role of religion (read: Islam) in matters of state is a direct threat to their interests. The emphasis is on ‘any’. No Malay or non-Malay leader worth his salt and in their right mind would want to go near that
The result?? We have placed ourselves on the proverbial slippery slopes and there is no stopping or of telling how far down we would have to travel. I believe there is a right mix between religion and state that would allow us to remain true to Article 3 of the country’s constitution.
Yep, agreed Bean. But Octo had a hand in it too – what’s with the tudung… and other forms of false piety? Like you i mourn the past.
It was his ‘ends justify the means…’ Now, he has to do the right thing and that’s going to be difficult, if not impossible. Actually, i was rather hoping he would be the aforementioned reformer.
In fact, i personally heard kak pidah rail and snort at this sweet young thing who was wearing a mini tudung, a tight low cut baju kurung and high heels. Geez, just shrank my horns… I think kak pidah might be a great emancipator if not emasculator.
No, I knew Dr Mahathir – being family doctor to many in Alor Star in the ’60s. He has always been a moderate Muslim. Never anything near to being what we know today as a Muslim fundamentalist. You got to give that to him.
In the late 70s and early 80s being the crafty politician that he was and still is and has always been, he tapped on the religious energy reaching our shores from places like Iran. By courting the religious cleric from PAS and Anwar Ibrahim he thought – much like Obama does today – he found a non-partisan of solving the problem of the Malays. And for a while he did.
I’m afraid Anwar Ibrahim will have to shoulder most of the blame.
As so many BN politicians are involved and the investigation will end up like the Lingam saga. Nobody is guilty. At the moment it is showtime. It will remain act one scene one all the time.That’ Leadership by Example.
Yes, by bringing Anwar (with ABIM creds) in, octo denied PAS a charismatic idealist. But unless my memory fails me, the outward pietism movement started in the early ’80, while Anwar’s case was still being deliberated upon.
Were there any other ‘hidden hands’? With fundamentalism, the louder is always more ‘righteous’.
To be honest, i too have this deep admiration for octo despite all his faults, and i believe his islam was moderate and private. At least he didn’t wear it like a chip on his shoulder… He would have kicked that Zul Nordin to kingdom come and slapped Hassan Ali silly…
Ideally speaking nobody should be wearing their religion on their sleeves. But then this is Malaysia. They have so abused Article 3 of the country’s Federal Constitution that it is now beyond recognition.
Ditto that, Bean.
Will Malaysians ever be ready? We don’t have The Declaration of Independence to guide us… Humanistic ideals (much less, divine laws) are hard to come to without reformation and enlightenment. Our ‘Reformasi’ cry is a cry in the wilderness.
Maybe we are becoming too bleak for our host, so lets get back into tean’s state of Ozawa awareness.
You are right. The Islamisation process began with Anwar when Mahathir took him out of ABIM to join UMNO before PAS could complete their courtship with him.
PAS just push the whole process up by about 3 notches and UMNO up the ante by another 3 notches.
And that is where we are today.
No point whining about it. What is needed is to fix the problem. People like Zaid need action-oriented suggestions, no some seminar-like ideas. The horse has already bolted out of the gate.
I would be happy if my “unable to understand what has been happening in PKR post Bagan Pinang” is true. But I am not alone;
This is what RPK, the Dean of Bloggers wrote;
Quote, “Anyway, the lunch ended with no resolution and, to my dismay, not long after that, Zaid joined PKR. He felt we could still achieve what we wanted, a strong and united opposition, with him in PKR. I did not think so and I told him so. But I was prepared to go along with it until I am proven wrong. And I was confident that I would be proven right.
Zaid had ideas, which are not a far departure from our own, and he needed to be ‘free’ to expand on them. In PKR he would be stifled and tied down by many of the ‘bad habits’ acquired over more than ten years and which are very difficult to change.
Now, Zaid has taken six months ‘sabbatical leave’. He wants to be free to focus on the plan to register Pakatan Rakyat and turn it into a legal entity. This would involve many things, not just a certificate from the Registrar of Societies. So the six months leave would enable him to focus on the colossal job ahead of him.
I wish Zaid good luck. I agree that the opposition needs a major overhaul. But I am not sure that the existing party structures and cultures would allow him to do what he wants to do. Would PKR, DAP and PAS agree to be ‘put to sleep’ so that a true Pakatan Rakyat can emerge in its place?; End Quotes.
Maybe Din could enlighten us or this is still a “Rahsia Besar” of Pakatan.
Hi Tean,
If i may say a few things about RPK’s idea of an independent 3rd. force. How on earth, if the general public can’t see beyond a 1 party system, can they accept a third ‘middle of the road’ party?
Let’s be honest, none of us knew Zaid was still so entrenched in bumno, especially after the cheap accusations of money politics surfaced! To be tainted by the tainted is the epitome of shame, even though it was political assasination… He was not exactly an identifiable household word. No, he is exactly where he’s needed most and is the one that can gel this vision of an accountable, cohesive and credible opposition, if it’s possible.
Does the average man on the street listen to ‘Malay intellectuals’ or the so called intelligensia? Give me a break…, they want somebody charismatic that can articulate their hopes and dreams in bahasa pasar – the more ‘unpolished’, the better. Even Zaid knows that, and that’s why he defers to Anwar.
All of us, have a stake in this and that’s why we must continue to encourage engagement – despite the mess PR is making of themselves.
“The horse has already bolted out of the gate.” Frank
Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted? If you are referring to the process of Islamization, it may not be an exercise in futility if there is a consensus ad idem about the role of religion. We are losing a lot of talented Malaysians to governments who are willing to reward talent where they find it.
Has any study been conducted about the outflow of talent because of the racist policies of this government? Or are the rest of you guys prefer to sit by and watch the policy of attrition works itself out??
“Has any study been conducted about the outflow of talent because of the racist policies of this government?”- Mr Bean
Firstly the Malaysian Govt will NOT do any study, for the simple reason such and excercise will be a political bomb exploding in UMNO-BN’s face. And the last thing UMNO wants to come face to face is the relationship between losing talent and “foreskin politics”.
But EPU etc will have the statistics, and the figures will not see daylight. No need survey, simple arithmetic willdo – with the number of professionals migrated (check with EPF, Immigration dept, pass port office) and the number of students who left overseas (see MOE) and have not returned after 3 years of graduation. Or check with the banks the capital flight overseas to pay fees.
No foreign govt will release figures on the number they had pinched talent from other countries. Silly of them.
The biggest importer of Malaysian talent is that little DOT just a stone throw south which had one UMNO politican proudly announcing in Parliament recently that the little piece of real estate is not even a country. Perhaps he meant their currency is not counted in terms of RMs.
UMNO-BN Govt has no qualms about letting go talent. The more the talent leaves the country the less competition for jobs and opportunities for the hordes of graduates coming from more than a dozen universities in the country. (Let’s not discuss about their employability). To UMNO, it does not matter if Malaysia had invested heavily in the well-being and education of these talents from the day they are born until they finish secondary school or university – this include those professionals who had gained experience working in Malaysia. From foreign govts standpoint, the work experience of these talents form some sort of a professional training ground ( for free) for their countries. After all, UMNO’s calculation is that we have oil, and palm oil to compensate the loss.
For these foreign governments, Malaysia is the cheapest and the easiest source for increasing and upgrading their talent base, with zilch investment for the qualification and experience of the migrants with talent. They are ready-made package (like instant noodles for immediate consumption) to contribute almost immeidately to their economy and development . Meanwhile our taxpayers will continue to fund to produce more and more new and inexperience graduates as potential fodders for foreign governments.
That’s the legacy of the 50 years of UMNO-BN rule. Why is it so. Could be due to foreskin politics.
WE are ALL bodoh sombong after all when it comes to losing talent to foreign governments
Back to the PKFZ issue, firstly, Nur Jazlan is a low rank MP and is NOT a member of the cabinet. Nor Yaakop and Minister of Finance should dare to come up and speak the truth. As of today, Ministers are trying hard to push and delegate the tasks of cleaning up the dirt to KSN and so called “Super Task Force’.
The second point that I want to highlight is that there are many ongoing projects in the hand of crooks and first class rapists. It would not be long for us to wake up and read that billions of dollars more are missing.
Broadband project costing 11 billions by TM is one of the likely candidate. Mark my word Malaysians, before we get our high speed broadband, we will be screwed first.
I nominate tean to be chairman of Nuts, Bolts and Screws Corporation. Ooops … got that in the wrong order. Should be Nuts, Screws and Bolts Corporation. Under the new guidelines, there is no 30% bumiputra equity to comply with. Instead there will be tax holidays for the first five years, tariff protection and all sorts of incentives.
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PKFZ will remain one of the unsolved Malaysian mysteries. Like the truth on Teoh Beng Hock. Kugan, etc, this one will be covered-up as UMNO leaders are deeply involved. If MCA is alone involved in this massive fraud, the culprits would have been exposed and sent to Sungei Buloh.
I don’t expect Najib to do anything except to cover-up. Ong Tee Keat will be replaced and the new Minister of Transport (probably from MCA) will do a thorough cover-up this time. Expect investors to put their money here? Not a penny until there is a new government which can rebuild our national image. Even then it will take years.—Din Merican
dinobeano - October 18, 2009 at 10:42 am
We are not oblivious to our internal problems and inconsistencies, but these are miniscule compared to what the present government has been doing for 50 odd years.
Mismanagement of the economy (PFKZ scandal, Proton, Bank Negara Foreign Exchange Losses, Perwaja, etc), rampant corruption and blatant abuse of power…read Najib’s maiden Amanat Presiden where he acknowledges UMNO’s “challenges” and policy failures.
If UMNO has done well, why is there a need to call for “transformation” of the party into an inclusive political organisation for all Malaysians (and his slogan sound like KeADILan Untuk Semua, and PAS Untuk Semua) and policy changes? I am going to post his Amanat Presiden (excerpts) later so that you may read carefully.–Din Merican
dinobeano - October 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm
I am going to post his Amanat Presiden (excerpts) later so that you may read carefully.–Din Merican
Din.
We are tired of listening to speeches and the same old songs. Actions speak louder than words. If it is true that Anwar didn’t want Zaid to go to Sabah (because Azmi Ali perhaps) than I must agree with Ilham Singh’s remarks. These people should just go back and play politics at kampung where beer, pigs, short skirts and lembu are main issues.
Pakatan is not about Anwar, Azmin, Hasan Ali, LKS or even Tok Guru.
Pakatan is about justice, good governance, democracy and fairness to all. If people like Hassan Ali and Zulkifli are free to impose their views on others, I have nothing more to say. Good luck Pakatan Rakyat.
tean - October 18, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Din
Ilham from PJ has a point.
Truth hurts.So let it be. Better than to live in fairyland before the shock comes in the next GE if no tangible change is perceived by Pakatan votes in the next few months.
But PKR is not only the problem. If you go to read the Harakah and in the majority of the articles about PAS leaders’ comments, it is always, “PAS YAKIN” this … “Pemimpin PAS YAKIN” that , …”Pemimpin Pakatan berbulat sura YAKIN..this and that, Presiden PAS YAKAN semua…” all the above…
They (the PAS leaders ) all YAKIN..all the time
I wonde what do they YAKIN about t when the mood on the ground is either ‘TAK YAKIN’ or “KURANG YAKIN’ with PAS, and starting with their own PAS leader in Selangor, Hassan ALi, who is virtually protected by his godfathers in PAS, ie i Hadi Awang and Nasharuddin Isa
PAS leaders think that just because the KHALWAT (secret meetings) between Deputy President Nasharudin and UMNO, the biadap of Hassan Ali , and the less than satisfactory response by both the PAS President and Deputy President on the cowhead incident, are not on the pages of the internet and the mass media today, voters have forgotten about them. A convenient amnesia.
The sad part is that these Muslim ulamas live in their own little world dictated by their selective reading and interpretation of the holy Book and for them, it is for the followers to listen TO as them, NOT the other as demanded the rules of politics. You are expected to listen to these ulama-politicians as though you are listening to a sermon. That is how they were trained for in their chosen vocation.
It is no wonder PKR and DAP have an exasperated time talking to these chaps.
So far DAP has not yet unglued itself. So far so good. And the only promise and good news we get is that PAS NIzar and the DAP chaps in Perak are getting along just fine . DAP supporters and voters inPerak view Nizar as even one of their own, which is a rare tribute to Nizar. The same cannot be said with other leaders, except maybe Khalid Samad. who is now endeared by almost ALL NON Muslim voters in Shah Alam and by the less religious fanatics among the PAS supporters.
Frank - October 18, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Well said ILHAM from SINGapore and TEAN. Nothing further needs to be said except that continuous BN bashing while doing nothing to correct their own weaknesses is fast catching up with PR. Many “friends” have been warning them about this.
We simply cannot let such a coalition get to Putrajaya. Instead they ought to stay an opposition, with perhaps control of three states to cut their teeth before the electorate decides if they deserve any better.
Isa Manteqi - October 18, 2009 at 6:41 pm
If there is a movement to take us towards a more secular Malaysia, I will take the first flight and go home to Malaysia and never leave her shores ever again – even for a holiday. It would be politically suicidal for a leader like Anwar to think loudly of ‘secular’ Malaysia because that would be his Waterloo.. Zaid Ibrahim? They won’t even let him travel to Sabah.
According to CIk Salmiah Hussein on the other thread, we’re moving towards a more dangerous kind of politics best referred to as ‘foreskin politics’ and towards greater polarization and not less.
http://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/zaid-ibrahim-goes-on-a-sabbatical/
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 7:01 pm
I have said before that one day PR will have to move on without PAS. If there is anything that has been learnt since March 2008 it is that the current composition of PR is untenable in the long run. Malaysia needs less religion, not more.
Isa Manteqi - October 18, 2009 at 7:14 pm
The only way is to introduce laws to take religion out of politics. Stop the use and exploitation of religion (read: Islam) as a political tool by politicians. They alone are responsible for the mess. But how do you even begin to do that?
Once you travel down that road it is impossible to reverse. You cannot re-grow your foreskin as no doubt Cik Salmiah Hassan would argue.
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I am all for the secularization of the government, but i’d be very wary of abolishing religion totally in terms of governance. To force the masses to secularism before they are ready could lead to unhealthy denial and repression.
Worse still, is active repression of religion which breeds fundamentalism – in our case, a suppression of the influence of the more educated, sober and responsible elements of Islam – the moderate ulamas. There is a need for temperance in literal interpretation of the syariah, but there seems to be no reformists at this time capable of doing so.
I therefore believe that the Westminister model (with its nominal Anglicanization) is still the best for this nation. Not a totally ‘seclarized’ state like Turkey, which has its share of religious bigotry, like extrajudiciary killing of apostates. The fanaticsm has gone underground where the more extravagant forms of Sufism and medieval Wahabism thrive.
Of course, i agree with most of you about flurs like Hassan Ali, Zulkifli Nordin et al. who should not be in politics at all, with their misanthrophic views. Malaysia needs less dogma, doctrine and literalness in interpretation of religious laws.
Menyalak-er - October 18, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Tean is unable to understand what has been happening in PKR post Bagan Pinang. He has access to me but has not been speaking or seeing me of late. His comments are based on media reports.
The differences between Zaid and Azmin Ali are minor, and can be sorted out in the long term interest of PKR by Anwar Ibrahim and our top leadership. Of course, Ilham Singh and Ilham are happy that they have won Tean over to the other side.–Din Merican
dinobeano - October 18, 2009 at 8:17 pm
“I am all for the secularization of the government, but i’d be very wary of abolishing religion totally in terms of governance. To force the masses to secularism before they are ready could lead to unhealthy denial and repression.” Menyalak-er
When Tunku was PM Malaysia was a secular state. Even under Razak and Hussein we had the right mix of religion (read: Islam) and the secular. But this was to change with guess who?? Anwar Ibrahim.
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Today the Malays have been brainwashed into thinking that any criticism of the role of religion (read: Islam) in matters of state is a direct threat to their interests. The emphasis is on ‘any’. No Malay or non-Malay leader worth his salt and in their right mind would want to go near that
The result?? We have placed ourselves on the proverbial slippery slopes and there is no stopping or of telling how far down we would have to travel. I believe there is a right mix between religion and state that would allow us to remain true to Article 3 of the country’s constitution.
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Yep, agreed Bean. But Octo had a hand in it too – what’s with the tudung… and other forms of false piety? Like you i mourn the past.
It was his ‘ends justify the means…’ Now, he has to do the right thing and that’s going to be difficult, if not impossible. Actually, i was rather hoping he would be the aforementioned reformer.
In fact, i personally heard kak pidah rail and snort at this sweet young thing who was wearing a mini tudung, a tight low cut baju kurung and high heels. Geez, just shrank my horns… I think kak pidah might be a great emancipator if not emasculator.
Menyalak-er - October 18, 2009 at 8:50 pm
No, I knew Dr Mahathir – being family doctor to many in Alor Star in the ’60s. He has always been a moderate Muslim. Never anything near to being what we know today as a Muslim fundamentalist. You got to give that to him.
In the late 70s and early 80s being the crafty politician that he was and still is and has always been, he tapped on the religious energy reaching our shores from places like Iran. By courting the religious cleric from PAS and Anwar Ibrahim he thought – much like Obama does today – he found a non-partisan of solving the problem of the Malays. And for a while he did.
I’m afraid Anwar Ibrahim will have to shoulder most of the blame.
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 9:06 pm
As so many BN politicians are involved and the investigation will end up like the Lingam saga. Nobody is guilty. At the moment it is showtime. It will remain act one scene one all the time.That’ Leadership by Example.
k c low - October 18, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Yes, by bringing Anwar (with ABIM creds) in, octo denied PAS a charismatic idealist. But unless my memory fails me, the outward pietism movement started in the early ’80, while Anwar’s case was still being deliberated upon.
Were there any other ‘hidden hands’? With fundamentalism, the louder is always more ‘righteous’.
To be honest, i too have this deep admiration for octo despite all his faults, and i believe his islam was moderate and private. At least he didn’t wear it like a chip on his shoulder… He would have kicked that Zul Nordin to kingdom come and slapped Hassan Ali silly…
Menyalak-er - October 18, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Ideally speaking nobody should be wearing their religion on their sleeves. But then this is Malaysia. They have so abused Article 3 of the country’s Federal Constitution that it is now beyond recognition.
Mr Bean - October 18, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Ditto that, Bean.
Will Malaysians ever be ready? We don’t have The Declaration of Independence to guide us… Humanistic ideals (much less, divine laws) are hard to come to without reformation and enlightenment. Our ‘Reformasi’ cry is a cry in the wilderness.
Maybe we are becoming too bleak for our host, so lets get back into tean’s state of Ozawa awareness.
Menyalak-er - October 18, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Mr Bean
You are right. The Islamisation process began with Anwar when Mahathir took him out of ABIM to join UMNO before PAS could complete their courtship with him.
PAS just push the whole process up by about 3 notches and UMNO up the ante by another 3 notches.
And that is where we are today.
No point whining about it. What is needed is to fix the problem. People like Zaid need action-oriented suggestions, no some seminar-like ideas. The horse has already bolted out of the gate.
Frank - October 18, 2009 at 11:33 pm
I would be happy if my “unable to understand what has been happening in PKR post Bagan Pinang” is true. But I am not alone;
This is what RPK, the Dean of Bloggers wrote;
Quote, “Anyway, the lunch ended with no resolution and, to my dismay, not long after that, Zaid joined PKR. He felt we could still achieve what we wanted, a strong and united opposition, with him in PKR. I did not think so and I told him so. But I was prepared to go along with it until I am proven wrong. And I was confident that I would be proven right.
Zaid had ideas, which are not a far departure from our own, and he needed to be ‘free’ to expand on them. In PKR he would be stifled and tied down by many of the ‘bad habits’ acquired over more than ten years and which are very difficult to change.
Now, Zaid has taken six months ‘sabbatical leave’. He wants to be free to focus on the plan to register Pakatan Rakyat and turn it into a legal entity. This would involve many things, not just a certificate from the Registrar of Societies. So the six months leave would enable him to focus on the colossal job ahead of him.
I wish Zaid good luck. I agree that the opposition needs a major overhaul. But I am not sure that the existing party structures and cultures would allow him to do what he wants to do. Would PKR, DAP and PAS agree to be ‘put to sleep’ so that a true Pakatan Rakyat can emerge in its place?; End Quotes.
Maybe Din could enlighten us or this is still a “Rahsia Besar” of Pakatan.
tean - October 18, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Hi Tean,
If i may say a few things about RPK’s idea of an independent 3rd. force. How on earth, if the general public can’t see beyond a 1 party system, can they accept a third ‘middle of the road’ party?
Let’s be honest, none of us knew Zaid was still so entrenched in bumno, especially after the cheap accusations of money politics surfaced! To be tainted by the tainted is the epitome of shame, even though it was political assasination… He was not exactly an identifiable household word. No, he is exactly where he’s needed most and is the one that can gel this vision of an accountable, cohesive and credible opposition, if it’s possible.
Does the average man on the street listen to ‘Malay intellectuals’ or the so called intelligensia? Give me a break…, they want somebody charismatic that can articulate their hopes and dreams in bahasa pasar – the more ‘unpolished’, the better. Even Zaid knows that, and that’s why he defers to Anwar.
All of us, have a stake in this and that’s why we must continue to encourage engagement – despite the mess PR is making of themselves.
Menyalak-er - October 19, 2009 at 12:07 am
“The horse has already bolted out of the gate.” Frank
Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted? If you are referring to the process of Islamization, it may not be an exercise in futility if there is a consensus ad idem about the role of religion. We are losing a lot of talented Malaysians to governments who are willing to reward talent where they find it.
Has any study been conducted about the outflow of talent because of the racist policies of this government? Or are the rest of you guys prefer to sit by and watch the policy of attrition works itself out??
Mr Bean - October 19, 2009 at 12:30 am
I do not see any solution so long as this government continues. But then with Pakatan, there is still Anwar Ibrahim – and PAS!!
Mr Bean - October 19, 2009 at 12:35 am
“Has any study been conducted about the outflow of talent because of the racist policies of this government?”- Mr Bean
Firstly the Malaysian Govt will NOT do any study, for the simple reason such and excercise will be a political bomb exploding in UMNO-BN’s face. And the last thing UMNO wants to come face to face is the relationship between losing talent and “foreskin politics”.
But EPU etc will have the statistics, and the figures will not see daylight. No need survey, simple arithmetic willdo – with the number of professionals migrated (check with EPF, Immigration dept, pass port office) and the number of students who left overseas (see MOE) and have not returned after 3 years of graduation. Or check with the banks the capital flight overseas to pay fees.
No foreign govt will release figures on the number they had pinched talent from other countries. Silly of them.
The biggest importer of Malaysian talent is that little DOT just a stone throw south which had one UMNO politican proudly announcing in Parliament recently that the little piece of real estate is not even a country. Perhaps he meant their currency is not counted in terms of RMs.
UMNO-BN Govt has no qualms about letting go talent. The more the talent leaves the country the less competition for jobs and opportunities for the hordes of graduates coming from more than a dozen universities in the country. (Let’s not discuss about their employability). To UMNO, it does not matter if Malaysia had invested heavily in the well-being and education of these talents from the day they are born until they finish secondary school or university – this include those professionals who had gained experience working in Malaysia. From foreign govts standpoint, the work experience of these talents form some sort of a professional training ground ( for free) for their countries. After all, UMNO’s calculation is that we have oil, and palm oil to compensate the loss.
For these foreign governments, Malaysia is the cheapest and the easiest source for increasing and upgrading their talent base, with zilch investment for the qualification and experience of the migrants with talent. They are ready-made package (like instant noodles for immediate consumption) to contribute almost immeidately to their economy and development . Meanwhile our taxpayers will continue to fund to produce more and more new and inexperience graduates as potential fodders for foreign governments.
That’s the legacy of the 50 years of UMNO-BN rule. Why is it so. Could be due to foreskin politics.
WE are ALL bodoh sombong after all when it comes to losing talent to foreign governments
Pathetic.
Frank - October 19, 2009 at 1:13 am
Back to the PKFZ issue, firstly, Nur Jazlan is a low rank MP and is NOT a member of the cabinet. Nor Yaakop and Minister of Finance should dare to come up and speak the truth. As of today, Ministers are trying hard to push and delegate the tasks of cleaning up the dirt to KSN and so called “Super Task Force’.
The second point that I want to highlight is that there are many ongoing projects in the hand of crooks and first class rapists. It would not be long for us to wake up and read that billions of dollars more are missing.
Broadband project costing 11 billions by TM is one of the likely candidate. Mark my word Malaysians, before we get our high speed broadband, we will be screwed first.
tean - October 19, 2009 at 1:17 am
I nominate tean to be chairman of Nuts, Bolts and Screws Corporation. Ooops … got that in the wrong order. Should be Nuts, Screws and Bolts Corporation. Under the new guidelines, there is no 30% bumiputra equity to comply with. Instead there will be tax holidays for the first five years, tariff protection and all sorts of incentives.
Mr Bean - October 19, 2009 at 10:20 am
“Mark my word Malaysians, before we get our high speed broadband, we will be screwed first.”
Din,
I never write this sentence?
tean - October 19, 2009 at 10:32 am
Ok change the sentence to;
“Mark my word Malaysians, before we get our high speed broadband, someone is going to make his millions from his rent-seeking business at Putrajaya.
tean - October 19, 2009 at 10:47 am
Dont give up just yet. Stay alive and fight another day.
Tina Hulslander - December 28, 2009 at 11:49 pm