Policing The Constitution
November 18, 2008
By Malik Imtiaz Sarvar (An Open Letter To The Inspector General of Police)
Dear IGP,
Let me firstly acknowledge that yours is not an easy responsibility to bear. The task of policing is certainly a difficult one. It calls for the fine balancing of the many different interests and expectations that will allow for security without undue compromise of the freedoms that mark this nation as a democracy. Far too often, the choices that have to be made are those that will be remembered more for their being unpopular than their having been effective.
As a lawyer, it strikes me that there is a way to make navigating these difficult waters easier, if only slightly. The power to police stems as it does from law enacted for that purpose. The Police Act and the Criminal Procedure Code are not only the maps by which you chart your course, they are also the justification you offer for actions that might be viewed as unfair. After all, the Royal Malaysian Police does not legislate; it merely enforces the will of the legislature as codified into the statute books.
This approach could also extend to areas where the law vests police officers with a discretion the exercise of which is a matter than can only be determined by reference to the particular circumstances of a given situation. Though in these cases the particular legal provision in issue may be silent as to how it is a police officer is to act, it should not be overlooked that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. In enumerating the fundamental liberties of citizens, it has provided the context and limits of enforcement. Seen in this light, it become evident that the primary role of the police force is to ensure that the constitutional framework is maintained as it was at all times intended to be: one that guarantees the freedom for Malaysians to aspire to be all that they are without fear of reprisal.

It is from this perspective that I question the wisdom of your policy on the matter of public assemblies.
I acknowledge that the legislature has by virtue of the Police Act imposed the requirement of permits for gatherings in public places on pain of sanction. I note however that the police force has taken it upon itself to exclude certain types of gatherings from the requirements of the Police Act. This seizing of discretion, for it could be said that the statute allows for no such discretion, is understandable for were it to be otherwise we would see many a family arrested for picnicking in public parks. By any definition they would constitute the assembly of three or more persons in a public place the Police Act targets.
This however makes the point that it is not necessarily the case that all gatherings in public places without permits are unlawful assemblies; it is only those that the police force deems such that are. Experience shows that this has however been markedly selective.
Compare, for instance, the experience of protestors outside the Bar Council and UITM students demonstrating against the admission of non-Malays this August with the treatment of participants in the anti-ISA vigil held earlier this month. While the third event had dispersed, spontaneous peaceful gatherings of small groups of citizens were acted against with force and culminated in numerous arrests. Though the earlier two events were by any comparison that much more aggressive, no action was taken despite the protest outside the Bar Council having disrupted a closed-door event.
Circumstance suggests that your officers believe there to be basis for their action and for treating events differently from one another. Objective scrutiny point to that basis being an apparently misguided notion as to what it is that constitutes a threat to public order. It appears that the third event, and others like it, was perceived as being disruptive of public order not so much for the event itself but rather the anti-ISA message it sought to convey. It seems that this was considered to be dangerous for its seemingly anti-establishment sentiment, a conclusion reinforced by conditions imposed by the police for a similar event held last Sunday. These included prohibitions on the lighting of candles, the wearing of anti-ISA t-shirts and the making of any statements supportive of the release of detainees.
In contrast, the first two events did not convey any such sentiment.
If this is in fact the case, that policy needs to be reexamined. The approach it entails is grossly unfair. It also exposes the police force to attack and criticism in a manner that is unnecessarily undermining of respect for the institution at a time when more needs to be done to shore up public confidence
It is not for the Royal Malaysian Police to police thought and speech through preemptive enforcement; that is not its fight. Malaysians are guaranteed the freedom of thought in as much as they are guaranteed the right to express themselves, either alone or in peaceable assembly with others. The nature of views expressed is not a matter for the police force to concern itself with; ensuring that Malaysians are free to avail themselves of the guarantees afforded to them under the Constitution to live out democracy as it was intended is.
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar
(Malay Mail; 18th November 2008)
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These police are zombies, they have no heart and mind of their own and their souls are sold to the highest bidder.
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Richard, I think you should qualify your statement. I have the highest respects for the PDRM rank and file and Special Branch operatives who are really working hard day and night to keep our country safe and secure. The top brass, some of them at least, are today just blindly using the power of the Police Act to support their political masters. We have to amend the said act and vote the present regime out of office at the appropriate time.
When I was growing up, the police man is a friend of the Malaysian family. The paramilitary Police force fought bravely during the Malaysian Emergency and the Indonesian Confrontation. When I was a young foreign service officer (1963-1965) I worked with the Special Branch and interacted with the likes of Tun Salleh, Tan Sri Abdul Rahman Hashim, Tun Hanif Omar and Uncle Mac Merican who is PETRONAS’ Tan Sri Hassan Merican’s father. They were real professionals and patriots.—Din Merican
Richard Loh - November 18, 2008 at 5:59 pm
open letter to RPK, Bar, DAP and PKR; stop fucking the constitution.
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Dr Sid, who do you think is “fucking the constitution”, if not the UMNO-led BN government. By the way, what have you got against RPK? For one thing I know, he is not an ass licker. He is respected and admired by thousands of Malaysians for standing up for what is right. He has guts. —Din Merican
Dr.Sid - November 18, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Bro Din,
You are right. We have to be fair to police officers as some of them are there to serve the country they love. Many of them are risking their lives to make this country a better place for us to live.
Just because of some ball licking idiots up there are playing political games for their own interest we cannot group them all as bad cops. There are many good cops and bad cops. Unfortunately now we have bad cop at the top and he is not doing his job; instead he is busy feathering his own nest. I wonder whether he understand Malik’s message.
Tean - November 18, 2008 at 7:37 pm
A waste of time…… no way this guy can understand the message. NO WAY !!!!!! Bloody waste of time!!!!!
Nudibranch - November 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm
The trouble is only the bad boys get the top job in PDRM. Good ones don’t want to stay long, the minute they get an offer in private sector, they’d go. What has happened to Christopher Wan, has he retired? That’s one good cop!
Jong - November 18, 2008 at 9:42 pm
oh dear. Such a long letter? And in english? I do hope it’s in BM.
IF any of our finest reads this letter right down to the end, I will be the first to faint.
My experience with our finest was when our house was burglarized 3x/10 months! Each of these 3 times we went to the police station, the police were mainly hanging out, minum kopi, makan kueh (SERIOUSLY!) resulting in them
- Turning over the keyboard to us to type our own report,
- No interviews,
- No reading through the report (no readee the england. sorry but our bahasa sucks)
- No copy of the report (no paper in printer, printer dah rosak)
- PLUS the last time, the police took as proof – 2 full luggage of loot from our house (our neigbours confirmed this) only for us to claim back 2 emptied out luggage
& this was in a police station in a major suburb of KL!!
Er..so I think this well thought-out, well-written letter is gonna end up in a file – & just as another outlet for us to vent our frustrations.
I think the salaries of our Polis are too low.
Who’s gonna risk their life & limb for the pittance?
Who can you get for that pittance?
And can we blame them for anything they do when they see bigger crooks getting away scot free & rich while they are suffering?
Do you know where many good malaysian police are working? SINGAPORE! If you go into a police station in Singapore, more than 1/2 of the police force are from Msia! Go figure!
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globloking, learn to read in English and learn to read long and sometimes difficult articles, books and journals. My blog is for those who want to read stuff in English. Occasionally, I do post articles and commentaries in Bahasa Malaysia, but these are long and tough too. Too bad if you feel that you will fall alseep. Just join the ranks of those whose forte is to drift into slumberland in the line of duty. The quest for knowledge is, in my opinion, is a personal duty.
But judging from your comments, you have been able to read through Malek’s open letter. You made a very interesting comment: “If you go into a police station in Singapore, more than 1/2 of the police force are from Malaysia.” And I lead from there to conclude that Malaysians can be incorruptible. Yes, society and its values are important. If society tolerates corruption and makes it a way of life, most people are likely to be corrupt. The good ones leave and go to work in an environment which is consistent with their personal beliefs and values. Sweden, Denmark, and Norway are examples where corruption cannot be tolerated.That is why people are attracted to invest, work and live in these countries.—Din Merican
gobloking - November 18, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“The task of policing is certainly a difficult one. It calls for the fine balancing of the many different interests …” Malik Imtiaz
It is not the role of the police to balance anything. Their role is to enforce the law. Period. You said so yourself when you wrote:
“After all, the Royal Malaysian Police does not legislate; it merely enforces the will of the legislature as codified into the statute books.” Malik Imtiaz
Speaking of enforcing the ‘will of Parliament’, our Parliament lacks the will if any as the MPs are not allowed to vote along bipartisan ways and bills are steamrolled through with short notice and without adequate discussion. It is the will of a bunch of rogue UMNO leaders; they are the ones mutilating our federal constitution through the more than 600 amendments passed over the years.
So it is the police enforcing the will of these few rogue politicians.
“….it should not be overlooked that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.” Malik Imtiaz
Our constitution is not supreme. That is a fallacy! How could our constitution be supreme when Parliament could have it amended almost at will through its two-thirds control of Parliament. If we are to be a true democracy, an amendment of the constitution should require a vote at the ballot box. Let the people decide. It is their constitution and it is their will.
“…it become evident that the primary role of the police force is to ensure that the constitutional framework is maintained.” Malik Imtiaz
The role of the police is to enforce the law as it finds them, as it stands and deals with threats to public order the way there are intended to be dealt with. It is not their role to ensure the health or the state of our constitution.
“…one that guarantees the freedom for Malaysians to aspire to be all that they are without fear of reprisal.” Malik Imtiaz
Our federal constitution subjects our individual freedom to the overriding interest of the state as defined by the government of the day. If we disagree with that interpretation, the way ahead is to amend the constitution and not come up with a differing interpretation of our choice and one that suits the occasion. The right to judicial review, discretionary powers of the courts, habeas corpus are all available at common law unless displaced by statutes like the Internal Security Act. Among the first acts of a PR led government would be to abolish such legislation which acts only to stifle dissent.
Mr Bean - November 18, 2008 at 10:49 pm
“Dr Sid, who do you think is “fucking the constitution”, if not the UMNO-led BN government.” Din Merican
It would be more accurate to state thus:
The Constitution is UMNO’s to fuck! They have had the necessary two-thirds control of Parliament. The battle cry among UMNO leaders has always been “Don’t fuck me! Fuck with me!”
Mr Bean - November 18, 2008 at 11:26 pm
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mmahdy - November 19, 2008 at 12:09 am
The Police Force must certainly be revamped of its system, its administration and management. They said without the proper system in place nothing will even have a chance to rebuild itself, is in fact in the mode, self-destructive. The same of the saying of who can be fully trusted and be entrusted without any interference from any political parties or worst, politically-biased government. Remember the fish rot first from the head as it is often the case. Not that we are blaming any police leader but the political climate is the cause, by political govt. leaders, those are the obvious and direct powerhouse yield by corrupt people that abuses the govt machineries – agencies, agents.
Are we not very concerned with what is happening to our country now? Or what is going to happen when corrupt leaders continue to be at the helm of country? Yes, not only the Constitution is the highest set of agreement but yet the most potent written laws are not truly and seriously respected and without fail, they have been amended by corrupted leaders to suit not their needs but personal gains to keep this elite in power, power to fuck up the races and steal, rob the country wealth.
You tell me how do we change this without changing of these old fucking guards of the last 50 years of Bull-shitting Najis govt?
panca - November 19, 2008 at 12:09 am
“Safe and secure” – I thought that was the army’s job!
The unkindest cut of all is that the decent men of the force cannot express themselves for the things they have to do against their will. If we allow and accomodate this fundamental then we must let them do so – they must be allowed, within the law, to picket! That would be a self-reinforcing, self-regulating element of a just society. The Police is not like the Military which have their own mock Judiciary!
Salak - November 19, 2008 at 12:33 am
It’s not the majority of the rank and file that is at fault. It is the system within the PDRM that stinks to high heavens.When the people at the very top,- people who can make their decisions count, – are corrupt and not competent,can we expect a professional and efficient police force ?
We need to revamp and shake down the whole system from the top down and look at how other respectable Police Forces like the Royal Canadian Mounties, Swiss Police, Hong Kong Police and the Singapore Police organize their forces. Does this government has the integrity and political will to do that , to create an independent PDRM ? I am doubtful !!
ocho-onda - November 19, 2008 at 1:47 am
Din, commendable effort by Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, better still in Bahasa.
The entire police force today is different, ever since the ’supremacy’
thing gets into their system. What can one expect if the Umno preach to
one set of race as being ’supreme’ and the rest automatically becomes
less supreme? Its easy to differentiate like Malik gave an example of
Bar Council’s hooligans and Candle vigil’s policing.
It really not nice to bring this things up, it hurts, but then again,
what’s new? Now, as if its not bad enough, Armed Forces, Police To
Jointly Tackle Security Threats – Armed Forces Chief! Seriously, if we
think that this Goment will improved, then Jumbo elephant do exists!
Sometimes, during our peaceful Vigil’s, if speakers were to point these
SP out and thank them for being around, I think they will be ’shy’ or
feel shameful as well. How can we blame our police? This nation now is
not just rotting from the top, Its mutating!!! It gets worst by the minute!!
This entire ‘THING’ have to go, beginning from the top! We can only pray
and do our small part. DSAI must not fail!!! come Dec or next election,
if things can still be contained.
Mindmatter - November 19, 2008 at 2:20 am
“Tuesday November 18, 2008
Malaysia hopes US frees detainees
KUALA LUMPUR: The Government hopes to be able to bring home two Malaysians held at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp when Barack Obama takes over as president of the United States in January.
Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ra-is Yatim said the US had all this while, ignored a ministry request for detainees Mohd Farik Amin and Mohamm-ed Nazir Lep, suspected to be terrorists, to be allowed to face the penalty back in Malaysia. “No charges have been brought against them, and this is worse than the ISA (Internal Securi-ty Act),” he said yesterday after the presentation of the South-East Asia Write Award 2008 winner here. ”
Rais Yatim should be admonishing Botak and telling him to release all the political detainees held unjustly under the ISA in Kamunting instead of being such a hypocrite!
ocho-onda - November 19, 2008 at 2:59 am
“No charges have been brought against them, and this is worse than the ISA” Rais.
Hello Rais..what about ISA detainees caged in Kamunting. Please dont talk cock when you allowed your own people to suffer just because they are not supporting the government. The are human and it is their birth right to be free. There are people who are suppose to be rotten in jail and yet they are now free….boyfriends of Atlantuya are just example.
Tean - November 19, 2008 at 9:00 am
The force is anything but a Royal Malaysian Police. It is blatantly abusing its power as though it is the Law. No shame, no pride, no integrity, and UMNO’s beck and call.
When the people at large do not respect the police, how could it ever fight crime. I for one will not venture to give ‘information’ on any criminal activity (smuggling, pirate DVD, drugs, 4-D) in my neighbourhood for fear that my identity will be reavealed and result in my losing life and limbs. The general perception is the police are aware of such activities but close one eye as they are well rewarded for doing do.
We are at a stage when the police and thieves wear the same uniform, to use RPK’s words.
The Police is an UMNO toy.
Mr Smith - November 19, 2008 at 9:24 am
“This nation now is not just rotting from the top, Its mutating!!! It gets worst by the minute!!” – Mind Matter
- hahaha, that was a good one. Yeah, “mutating” it is!
Jong - November 19, 2008 at 10:04 am
The U.S. government before 9/11 criticized Malaysia for its use of legislation like the Internal Security Act. After 9/11 the U.S. took a leaf out of Malaysia’s experience and drafted their own equivalent of the ISA, and Bush was full of praise for Malaysia’s effort to fight terrorism.
President-elect Obama wants these prisoners to be charged and tried under U.S. law – or released. There is a good chance he’ll do it but it is going to be a long and slow process.
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 10:10 am
Why are vigils not held in Malaysia by protestors against the ISA in front of the U.S. Embassy in protest to the continued detention of Malaysian citizens in Guantanamo Bay?? What signals are we giving to foreign governments – that it is not OK for our government to detain its citizens wihout charge and trial but it is OK for the U.S. government to do the same??
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 10:17 am
Rais Yatim and his Umno govt lose all rights to question the US government when they have yet to clean up Malaysia’s backyard before telling others what to do!
Jong - November 19, 2008 at 11:34 am
Bean,
most virgils for ISA r attended by chinese or indian with few participation from Malays.
probably candle seems to associated with christianity
or at worst they ain’t interested all.
virgils or rather protest, at US embassy would only happen if UMNO Youth is led by KJ, then our PDRM will exercise caution care n concern in da way they handle … less they git transferred to Salak’s eastern world
d rot must be driven top down, dun expect d ordinary traffic controlling police fella to change …
our current IGP can sing n tell us volumes of stories but d fact remains stark naked
cheers
omarkhayyam - November 19, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Jong,
US, usually dun give two hoot to wat our ministers, the trade talk tat started sumtime in 2006 is still dragged on for 7-8 rounds, not because of anything but the damn fact that US is aware tat our UMNO-led BN Gomen still practises da lame duck system of affirmative action which favors UMNO-Bumi-Crony
cheers
omarkhayyam - November 19, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Dear Encik Din
I DID read the letter to the end.
If you read my posting again, you will find that I refered to our “finest” who may well not read the letter to its finality..IF the letter’s in English. So please don’t slam me.
I am definitely NOT an intellect & have never professed to be one. Nor have I ever claimed I interact with those who breathe the same rarefied airs of intellects.
Even if I tried my darnest to be one..I will fail. All I am trying to say is: IF the letter is to succeed – in bringing the message across, the communique should be in BM, & maybe easier to read?
But surely, Sir, I am not a rarity amongst those whose attention span is short?
As for making our Police Force more professional? Pay them well. Train them well. Equip them well. Let them understand the Law. Let them have a Career Path that is (reasonably) independent of politicking.
salaam!
gobloking - November 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Mr.Bean,
Brilliant idea ! Jong,Din, how about organising candlelit vigils against ISA in M’SIA & USA, in front of the USA Embassy since we are now so inspired by Rais Yatim’s press highlight!?!
ocho-onda - November 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Ocho-oncho,
Never clap from afar, come and join us. If Rais Yatim has the guts to start a vigil and if I am invited, you are assured I will take up the challenge, why not?
I have an idea. Since our mata-mata loves dresscode, we may even impose one – “We are with RPK” t-shirts will be banned,not allowed. Those attending – men are encouraged to come in superman attire ie another brief outside the pants and the gals – another bra outside their tops. Oh boy that should be cool! News of our vigil will go global in an instant and we can be sure the US government gets the message!
Over to you ocho-oncho.
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Jong - November 19, 2008 at 6:52 pm
It is all about detention without charge and trial, and the denial of due process. The U.S. after 9/11 is its own worst enemy when it comes to humans rights. It doesn’t matter which nation practices it, on its own soil or in different jurisdictions but with their support and encouragement, behest, it’s still wrong. When it involves foreign nationals it also involves the issue of sovereignty. In this case it involves Malaysian sovereignty.
We just want their release to us so we could charge and try them, and hang them if they are guilty – or release them if they’re not.
It is against the U.S. Constitution as much as it is against ours. So why the double standards?
Let’s see how the police react? Would they give the same treatment they gave to earlier UMNO-sanctioned protests? Would this UMNO-run government not continue to fan the flames of U.S. sentiment as it always does when it gets the opportunity? After all their lame duck Secretary of State Rice has promised she would not hesitate to issue more statements against this UMNO government, that the issue of human rights transcends boundaries?
Don’t get me wrong though. These are Malaysian nationals who gave us a bad name, are a danger to peace and security and if allegations against them are true, the ISA would act to ensure their continued detention and then trial. We they handed over by this government to the U.S. authorities at the height of the global war against terrorism or were they caught in Indonesia or elsewhere and detained in Guantanamo since?
The issue of detention without trial continues to be an issue which draws out conflicting and inconsistent responses from this UMNO government – a continued source of embarrassment to them. This is a good time to expose the double standards of both governments.
The chance of their release to the Malaysian authorities for trial is remote. However, that is not the issue with us. We want our police to be consistent in the way they interpret the powers given to them by Sec. 27 of the Police Act.
This is a good opportunity as another to drive the point home. Or would we rather lick Uncle Sam’s ass?
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 7:25 pm
“Those attending – men are encouraged to come in superman attire ie another brief outside the “pants and the gals – another bra outside their tops.” Jong
If men come wearing tights, it would rub up that lady who is convinced that “that thing between the legs” is an obstacle to her upward mobility, the wrong way! Donning another bra would only serve to emphasise that ‘they who do not have “that thing between their legs” cannot raise that thing that they do not have. Not a good idea. A better idea would be to put candles on top of pomelos. Ouch!!
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Hahaha I knew it, you’d be the first to remark on my comment.
We may call it “Superman and Wonder Woman Candlelight Vigil”!
To Rais Yatim, cukuplah jangan cakap banyak! Be man enough to act.
Jong - November 19, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Let’s just say it was a ‘trap’ I couldn’t resist. It takes two to tango
The third would be Old Geezer in his Cooper S.
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Btw “Rosa Parks” of Penang(aptly described by gobloking), Paula Khoo has energised and bounced back stronger than ever. Get it straight from the horse’s mouth her fear, anxiety and experience at the hands of bullies in blue, soon after Penang’s candlelight vigil on sat 15 Nov 2008…
Check out her blog:
masterwordsmith-unplugged.blogspot.com
Jong - November 19, 2008 at 9:17 pm
This is embarrassing to Malaysians living in the United States.
What’s all this about Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and Barack Obama?? There is no single race that has been singled out for persecution in Malaysia (if there is it would exclude the Malays) and no ‘civil rights movement’ as such! We’d do better to take a leaf out of the Indian experience during the time of Mahatma Ghandi.
Barack Obama never ran as a black man – and he did not win to become U.S. President-elect because he was black!
Mr Bean - November 19, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Jong, will anak yatim have the guts or balls to take up any challenge to protest against the US ISA stance ?
ocho-onda - November 20, 2008 at 1:20 am
Jong,
“Never clap from afar, come and join us. If Rais Yatim has the guts to start a vigil and if I am invited, you are assured I will take up the challenge, why not? ”
Unfortunately, I can only clap from afar, for now anyway ! I was planning to balik kampung for X’mas but had to scrap it due to work and other prior commitments .
I will touch base with you guys when I get back – Din left his calling card a while back .
ocho-onda - November 20, 2008 at 3:38 am
X’mas??? It is not even Thanksgiving yet – and that is next week. Oh I forgot Thanksgiving is an American tradition. It is that time of the year when the U.S. President grants his pardon to that one turkey on the lawn of the White House.
Mr Bean - November 20, 2008 at 8:08 am
wow, that reminds me one of the best turkeys I’ve ever eaten was in NY on Thanksgiving some years back. Tried making it myself but somehow the turkey doesn’t taste that smooth.
So ocho-onda, when you ‘balik kampung’ the next trip, you may be welcomed home by a new government! Make sure you grab a few bottles at Dutyfree to celebrate!
Jong - November 20, 2008 at 9:23 am
As for Rais Yatim, he’s another poppycock. Suddenly he finds it’s his duty to speak up for the two Malaysians held in Guantanamo Bay detention camp held for terrorism! Said “No charges have been brought against them (Mohd Farik Amin and Mohd Nazir Lep), and this is worse than the ISA”
“worse than the ISA”? How come, if he knows ISA is that bad, why is he not lobbying for its abolishment and join our candlelight vigil? Comeon those two guys held in Guantanamo Bay are dangerous “terrorists” while Malaysians held at Kamunting were locked up because they use pens, candles and flowers and disagree with those dickheads of this UMNO-led government!
Jong - November 20, 2008 at 9:41 am
Whose poppy whose cock??
Mr Bean - November 20, 2008 at 9:51 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etUq95XKGiw
This is one hell of a turkey!
Mr Bean - November 20, 2008 at 9:54 am
Jong,
“worse than the ISA”? How come, if he knows ISA is that bad, why is he not lobbying for its abolishment and join our candlelight vigil? Comeon those two guys held in Guantanamo Bay are dangerous “terrorists” while Malaysians held at Kamunting were locked up because they use pens, candles and flowers and disagree with those dickheads of this UMNO-led government!”
What can we expect from a no brainer !?! He needs to be reminded that two wrongs do not make a right because he and the lot of them are so used to double standards !
I look forward to celebrate a new government on my next visit. Power to the cause ! Cheers !
ocho-onda - November 20, 2008 at 6:03 pm