Din Merican: the Malaysian DJ Blogger
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Fellow Malaysians, this is what we are up against, hired writers/apologists for a discredited regime

October 8, 2008

Friends and Fellow Bloggers,

I am just back from Kelantan after an overnight visit. I am impressed with developments there, although we on the west coast do not hear much about what the PAS Administration has been doing all these years. The Kelantanists are going about their daily business in peace with smiles on their faces; the morning market is busy with the women doing the selling and the men helping out, and so are the shopping areas in Kota Bharu. Even in Tanah Merah where I stayed, people of different races are actively engaged with each other. People are safe.

We are unfortunately denied of accurate news about this resource rich state, and the successes of small businessmen, going about their activities with much gusto. Our mainstream media (the print and electronic media) does not highlight the achievements of the Pakatan Rakyat-PAS government led by the much revered Menteri Besar, Tok Guru Nik Aziz. Every other person I met told me that Tok Guru Menteri Besar is a very hardworking, honest, dedicated and devout Muslim. He is a true servant-leader.

I am not against anyone whose views and opinions differ from mine. All I wanted to do when I posted the piece by deminegara was to remind myself, and hopefully others too, that there are people among bloggers who will twist facts in order to serve those in power who suppress freedom of speech and expression, and think they have a monopoly on the “truth”. A fellow blogger quoted Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s spinmeister and propagandanist and I think that quotation explains our present government’s true motives–suppress the truth, lie consistently and as often as it is possible, and manufacture consent.

I stumbled on deminegara, but I am sure that there are others of his type, apart from the UMNO stormtroopers whose job it is to “attack” bloggers and websites; they escape my attention. Since I do not have time to monitor of all of them, I am counting on you to alert me. I can post them on this blog with my comments. In that way, we can know what these hired hands are up to, and debate the issues they raise and debunk their spin. We are entitled to facts and reliable information. Thanks for your support.—Din Merican

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October 7, 2008

This sort of writing or writer/blogger should not surprise us. They litter the media landscape in our country. It reminds me of the heydays of the Cold War when the CIA used novelists, academics and journalists to spread the word. Stalin and Hitler too did the same thing when they temporarily held the reins of power. It is happening now in our country under a discredited UMNO-led Barisan Nasional Government.

The difference, as I see it, between these guys and their hired hands, and our propagandists or so-called psy-war specialists/experts is that the latter are less sophisticated and subtle. We can identify their motives the moment we finish reading just a few words since what they put out in the public domain comes through as clearly loud and blatantly insulting.

What surprises a naive guy like me, though, is that there are people who are willing to sell their integrity for money and promise of favors, like someone I know as an acquaintance who desperately harbours dreams of returning to a major newspapers as its chief group editor, if Najib Tun Razak becomes Prime Minister.

It is, therefore, important that we read views and reviews with a critical eye, use our ability to think and reason, and exchange information among ourselves, exercising utmost care. There is so much gubberish, like this one for example, out in cyberspace, print media and the air waves, that we need to be careful. —Din Merican

Unraveling the RPK Mystique

Much has been said about the ISA detention of Raja Petra Kamarudin. Over the past decade, the 58 year old has emerged from obscurity to become a sort of cult figure for some Malaysians, and his detention has become a cause célèbre for “the quest for justice and inequality.” RPK is also perceived by many to be some sort of figurehead and rallying point in their opposition to the UMNO-led Barisan Nasional coalition that has governed the country since Merdeka 51 years ago.

Who are these RPK supporters?

Do they truly represent the Malaysian social milieu? Well, they themselves certainly feel that way. A browse through RPK’s Malaysia Today portal would give that impression. The lively postings allude to a sense of inevitability in the socio-political evolution of this country, where some sort of People’s Power movement, indeed an alternative irresistible political force, would sweep through Putrajaya to obliterate and replace the current ruling oligarchs with an “enlightened” administration driven by the mantra of Ketuanan Rakyat.

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Is this really an accurate sketch in the complex Malaysian socio-political canvas? Do these people — the posters, lurkers, trolls and bots inhabiting the Malaysia Today cyber-habitat — really represent the conscience and aspirations and, indeed, the essence of the Malaysian people, a compelling sampling of the changing socio-dynamics permeating our nation?
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Not really.
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Who are these people then?
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Malaysia Today is a typical SoPo portal, an aggregator of third party newsfeeds and blog postings, spiced with some original articles by RPK himself prior to his ISA detention. The Malaysia Today Webmaster (RPK in the past, and now his close associates since his detention) would “moderate” incoming readers’ comments to ensure congruence to the portal’s political sentiment. RPK himself said that daily he had to delete 500-600 comments sent by Malays, which he termed the “UMNO Cyber Troopers.” This effectively skewed Malaysia Today into a supra cyber platform for non-Malays to spew their bigotry and chauvinism while sheltered from Malay reactions.
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Typical of other SoPo blogs and portals, the site is frequented by the usual suspects, namely political gossip junkies in need of their daily “fix” of sensational revelations and maladies of the ongoing Malaysian political telenovela. The human tendency to revel in a schadenfreude orgy was satiated by RPK’s rich pipeline of sensational “scoops” as well as his series of “True Stories” of our historical past, including a revisionist portrayal of the May 13 Incident, a version much more palatable to his predominantly non-Malay audience.
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Visitors to his portal may not necessarily share RPK’s ideology or the anti-Malay, anti BN/UMNO flavour of the content. Many just want to read alternative viewpoints to supplement the less-than-credible spin spewed by the mainstream media. Some visitors may, indeed, be RPK’s many enemies, wanting to check out his latest antics. Yet others are just curious.
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Out of this pool, a smallish group ultimately immersed themselves into the Malaysia Today cyber-habitat, became hyperactive posters, and evolved into “MT junkies,” glued to the site for hours on end, alienating themselves from the realities of Main Street Malaysia and oblivious to the constantly shifting socio-political undercurrents that define Malaysian politics. These MT junkies — overwhelmingly non-Malay — actually believed their own postings, facilitated by the total lack of competing Malay viewpoints as these were “moderated away” by Malaysia Today’s Webmasters. The MT junkies reinforce this make-believe empowerment by incessantly regurgitating the same points of view, essentially preaching-to-the-converted, in their comments to every new Malaysia Today story.
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The propensity of Malaysia Today to block comments from Malays (RPK’s “UMNO Cyber Troopers”) that would countervail the bigoted viewpoints of the Chinese chauvinists and Hindraf sympathizers contributed to this false sense of empowerment among the non-Malays.
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The unbridled spiral of prejudice and contempt — in a make-believe cocoon devoid of the voice of the Malay majority — fueled an irrational exuberance among the MT junkies over a perceived “inevitable” change in the Malaysian political landscape, where the non-Malays (in the guise of DAP’s Malaysian Malaysia stance shrouded by the Ketuanan Rakyat mantra of the Pakatan Rakyat coalition) would have the major grip on political power in this country while the UMNO-led Barisan Nasional coalition would collapse and dissipate into thin air.
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This RPK chap, a likable personality with a free-spirited, bohemian streak, was gradually emboldened by the ceaseless cheerleadings and promptings of the MT junkies. Ever more sensational stories were churned but these could not satiate the hungry hordes. RPK then did the ultimate – he himself became the story, starring in his own improbable sinetron radiating from the keyboard of his PC.

With RPK in the starring role, who needs third party revelations? He is the story! He can craft his own play and act in his own drama. He has reached the nirvana of SoPo blogging. Quite predictably, hits on Malaysia Today hit the roof, giving chedet.com a run for its money. RPK was now on par with Dr. Mahathir Mohamad! Nobody gets larger than that in Malaysia. Pak Lah, Najib Razak and even Anwar Ibrahim were reduced to supporting cast and bit players in the eyes of the MT junkies. A sense of invulnerability descended upon the Malaysia Today cyber-habitat and the mystique of RPK’s infallibility permeated his congregation.

But again, who are this flock of adherents that contributed to the deification of RPK in the cyber universe?

Here’s a quick and dirty classification:-

Groupie Gang I: The Idealists

These are the believers of a new, utopian Malaysia devoid of racial, religious and class conflict; a land of plenty for all; a just, corrupt-free nation of civil, law abiding citizens united in a celebration of cosmopolitan multiculturalism. The thought leaders of this small but influential group include fellow bloggers Dr. Azly Rahman, Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, Farish Noor, Dr. Bakri Musa, Harris Ibrahim, as well as writers Karim Raslan, Wan Hamidi Hamid and politicians, Zaid Ibrahim and Tunku Aziz Ibrahim. The Idealists, albeit for different reasons and motivations, advocate either the abolishment or a revamp of the NEP, demonise Ketuanan Melayu, and view BN/UMNO as an obsolete post-Colonial relic quivering through the final vestiges of its existence. The elegant intellectual discourse spewed by the Idealists, usually revolving around the need for social justice, meritocracy and more “progressive” Malay attitudes are well received by the predominantly non-Malay MT junkies as this would entail the dismantling of perceived Malay-centric policy legacies built over the years by BN/UMNO. The non-Malay MT junkies usually refer to this group in their comment postings as the “good Malays.” Articles and blog postings by these “good Malays” are prominently displayed in Malaysia Today and their Chinese and Indian-friendly comments are approved by the gatekeeper, giving the casual Malaysia Today reader the false impression of a softening Malay stance amidst the perceived newfound political clout of the non-Malays in this “new” post-318 Tsunami political landscape.

Groupie Gang II: The Anwaristas

This collection of visitors and posters view Malaysia Today as a convenient platform to spew their venom against anything that had to do with BN/UMNO, more so the likes of Pak Lah, Najib Razak and Hamid Albar. The nucleus of the Anwaristas’ gene pool can be traced back to Anwar’s ABIM and Reformasi days. Many are ex-hardcore UMNO cadres purged from the party in the aftermath of Anwar Ibrahim’s battle royale with Dr. M. These are essentially closet UMNO people – in attitude and mindset – the “have nots” in the intra-Malay competition for patronage and privileges. Beyond a common enemy in a Pak Lah/Najib-led UMNO, they have no affinities to Groupie Gangs I, IV and V and do not partake in commenting except to glorify Anwar Ibrahim and to ridicule the key UMNO personalities.

Groupie Gang III: The PAS Malays


These are predominantly PAS members, with some PKR supporters among the lot. They view UMNO as their ideological foes and tolerate the other RPK Groupies (for now) in their bigger quest to win the Hearts and Minds of the Malay masses. This group makes up a small minority in the English-centric Malaysia Today Cyber Habitat and many have filtered away amidst the strident criticisms on Islam by the portal and the comments sent by the anti-Malay MT junkies.

Groupie Gang IV: The Rabid Anti-Malay Racists


These are the bread-and-butter of Malaysia Today and form the majority of the posters. Their posts and comments say it all. Everything in Malaysia is linked back to their hatred of the Malays. These are the ethnic-Chinese chauvinists, Hindraf sympathizers and assorted hangers-on who suffer from an overwhelming sense of alienation in this country. They equate every symbol and instrument of Malaysian statehood – from Bahasa Malaysia to the Negaraku to the Rukunegara to the Songkok to the Jalur Gemilang and, of course, the Keris – to the Malays and hence not worthy of their respect and deference. This attitude spawned a deep-seated hollowness permeating their souls as they languish in a land whose essence run contrary to their aspirations. Hence, every post emanating from this Group would revolve around their revulsion of and paranoiac vengeance towards the Malays. Of course, when like-minded posts coalesced in the Malaysia Today cyber-habitat, an explosion of Malayphobia saturates the portal. And with the Malay voice effectively moderated-away by the Webmaster, this racist mania continues unchecked and unchallenged. The venom and ferocity of the attacks are matched only by the “spin” applied to various issues by authors and articles allied to their non-Malay agenda. Of course, to appease the Anwaristas and the PAS and PKR Malays, these Rabid Racists would replace “Malay” with the term UMNOputra or Mat Rempit or just plain beruks, but the message to the casual reader is clear: They hate Malays, and all the maladies of this country can be traced back to the Malays. Their own kind – the “repressed, smart hard working people” – are portrayed as a Superlative group, held in check only by the smothering political grasp of the Malays (oops, no … by the “UMNO people”) crawling in their subsidised tongkats and crutches.

Groupie Gang V: The RPK Cultists


To this group — mostly young, impressionable non-Malays with their first intoxicating taste of politics – RPK is a demigod, a messiah sent by the Gods to rid Malaysia of the bad guys, to single-handedly rescue Malaysia from all the maladies caused by these people. Yes, all these and then some in one fell swoop of his …. errrr ….. keyboard! The cultists elevate RPK to a Supreme Being-like persona, a larger than life sage whose every word is the gospel truth, who’s every action is holy, and whose every pronouncement must be followed. Utterances of “my RPK,” “our RPK,” “I love RPK,” “RPK our hero,” “RPK wants” and “RPK says” began to percolate in readers’ postings and comments on Malaysia Today. I get blurry images of Jim Jones, Idi Amin and Kim Il Sung
as I forage through the thick undergrowth of readers’ homage to RPK in Malaysia Today. And you know what? I think RPK actually gradually believed in this burgeoning personality cult and began to suffer lapses of self-grandiosity as manifested in his later posts and articles.


So what happened when RPK got banished to Kamunting? What happened to his hordes of supporters, the people who would join him arm-in-arm in a fight to the death with the ruling oligarchs? Where are the untold millions that would march to Kamunting to tear down the walls and hand-pluck RPK from the grasp of the baddies? Where? A hundred people in Anti-ISA and Free RPK t-shirts assembling at the entrance of the Kamunting camp or a couple of hundred people holding a candlelight vigil at Dataran Merdeka just don’t cut it.


Is this the real Malaysia? Is this group of affluent predominantly non-Malay urbanites a true sampling of the Malaysian population, representing the sentiment of the rakyat? These people may be nothing more than a like-minded interest-group with deep-rooted animosity towards the Malays, egged on by partisan politicians naturally at loggerheads with their BN/UMNO rivals.

What about the on-line petition drive to free RPK? How many actually signed up?

A sampling of the Free RPK Petition

Does this list represent Malaysia’s demographic mix, a necessary condition to “transform the nation” from Perlis to Johor to Kelantan to Sabah into a different Ketuanan Rakyat paradigm? After discounting the meaningless prank names such as “Father of Najis,” “Death 666,” “Johnny Doe” (in the above sample), as well as the non-citizen residents and foreigners signing from afar, how many people actually signed up? How many legitimate citizens actually walked the talk and signed the petition? 10,000? 30,000? 100,000? These are peanuts compared to the purported millions of hits charted daily by Malaysia Today.

Assuming 100,000 Malaysians actually signed the petition, this would represent less than four-tenth of one percent or 0.0036 of Malaysia’s 27.5 million people, or one out of every 275 Malaysians. It means, 274 out of 275 Malaysians don’t really care. Is this four-tenth of one percent the Critical Mass sufficient to revolutionise the Malaysian political landscape, the people with the mandate to dismantle this country’s socio-economic-political equilibrium?

No.These people are just a smallish cyber-community not at all representative of the Malaysian ethno-cultural milieu. But isn’t Malaysia Today the voice of the people?

What people? Any blogger will admit that the number of “hits” do not translate into number of people. A Malaysia Today junkie might reload the portal 20-30 times a day just to access the stories. Also, not more than 30 hard core junkies post 90% of the comments. Go check the site. It’s obvious that a small group of hyperactive adherents account for a large amount of postings, hence, essentially preaching their political gospel to themselves in an affliction which may be termed “inbred blog postings syndrome.”

Again, where are the Malays? Where is Mainstream Malaysiana that would change the country? The writings on the banners allude to a predominantly ethnic-Chinese grouping. What does this say? Why are the Malay majority not taken in to RPK and the ideals of Malaysia Today?

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The vast majority of RPK’s supporters are just armchair quarterbacks and fair weather cheerleaders and people with nothing better to do who essentially outsourced and sub-con their political activism to this poor chap from the airconditioned comfort of their homes and offices, from their cosy beds and plush sofas, cybercafés and chic gourmet coffee joints. They are not even representative of the country, in terms of demographics, dispersion and political inclination. These junkies are more akin to the lunatic fringe than to the mainstream of Malaysian society. Who are these people? The content and nature of their postings revealed an English-literate motley crew of private college kids, bored pensioners, the unemployed, the under-employed white collar salarymen, the disenfranchised and a handful of professionals — all with chips on their shoulders. There is also a good sprinkling of expats and foreigners posting from faraway places (146 countries according to RPK in the clip above). Plus a fair bit of ex-Malaysians with axes to grind and some kiasu Singaporeans.

Hardly forming the vanguard of the Malaysian Rakyat.

Yes, RPK (and poor Marina and kids) were conned by these people. These cyber-opportunists outsourced and sub-con their politicking to him while they cheer him from the comfort of their cosy homes and plush offices. Many seemed to ignore that RPK is a real human being, a late middle-aged man with a wife and many children. A man with responsibilities, hopes, fears, aspirations and vulnerabilities like the rest of us. These parasites and blood suckers ruined his life and unnecessarily estranged his family from mainstream Malaysia.

RPK himself is not really a grave threat to national security. His incoherent rantings and pathological animosity towards BN/UMNO and prominent UMNO personalities are old news. RPK is a known loud-mouth, a prickly irritant with a penchant for the dramatic. For many, his revelations and cyber activism are no more than pure entertainment, melodramatic political gossip on par with TV3’s obnoxious Melodi and a much needed comic relief from the socio-political quagmire of the past 3-4 years under Pak Lah’s disastrous watch.

But RPK’s real fault lies in his propagation of Malaysia Today as a cyber platform for assorted bigoted and racist characters to spew their venom against the Malays and, in more than one instance, to ridicule Islam. His personal vendetta against the UMNO Cyber Troopers (purportedly led by Azalina Othman Said and Norza Zakaria according to RPK in the clip above) degenerated into an almost blanket deletion of pro-Malay comments, hence rendering the portal into a one-sided anti-Malay arena in the uniquely Malaysian game of race-tinged politics.

Indeed, MT Junkies (the Rabid Anti-Malay Racists and RPK Cultists mentioned above) are the bigger threats to national security. These racists, bigots and cyber-misfits hide behind their anonymity to flood Malaysia Today with venomous racist postings, instigating hatred for the Malay majority, ridiculing Islam, and spewing seditious spins to various national issues.

This was the real threat and his refusal to curtail this threat finally nailed RPK.

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My advice to RPK, Marina Lee and family: take a few steps back and view the bigger picture, the real landscape out there. What exactly is your struggle? Justice? For whom and where? The Penans, Dusuns, Senois and Semangs deep in our rainforests? Kedah paddy farmers? Trengganu fisherfolk? The ordinary civil servant or private sector clerk? The hardworking Pasar Malam vendors? The labourers in our plantations? The trishaw/beca man (yes, we still have them)? The hard core urban poor? Who? Where? Why aren’t they outraged by your ISA detention? We don’t see them take to the streets in Kota Bharu or Sarikei or Lahad Datu to demand your release. Most have never heard of you! Aung San Su Kyi you are not. Nor are you a Nelson Mandela or a Xanana Gusmão.

You are just a political tool for some selfish interests, for the elitists far removed from the grassroots and the ordinary man.

RPK doesn’t really speak for the real Malaysians out there, for the 27.5 million people from Langkawi to Besut to Batu Pahat to Kemaman to Santubong to Miri to Ranau to Semporna. RPK hardly exists in the consciousness of these masses. No, RPK speak only for the small lunatic fringe of our society — the affluent, private art school on daddy’s-money set (bottom below) and the rabid anti-Malay Chinese chauvinist (with Marina, top below) and Hindraf Indian racists languishing in the deep murky crevasses of the cyber world. RPK and his ideals do not represent the sentiment of the vast majority of Malaysians.

Pics: delCapo.wordpress

RPK, Marina Lee and their kids were used by the nameless parasites lurking in cyberspace These anonymous characters embody the worst of human traits; they got something for nothing. Oh yes, they got their schadenfreude fix all right when the going was good. They have chewed the sweet fruits plucked by RPK, and spit out the pits to be picked up by Marina and her kids. The long lonely trips to Kamunting, the endless court dates, the deprivation of a husband and father, the despair and helplessness – will all be borne by Marina Lee and family.

Finally, where is Anwar Ibrahim? What is his stand on RPK’s detention? RPK gave his life, metaphorically speaking, to uphold Anwar’s “ideals.” RPK bet the ranch on Anwar becoming PM on 916 and came out a loser, a pathetic flat broke loser. Has Anwar and gang even addressed the RPK ISA issue? Indeed, his silence is deafening. What about Lim Kit Siang? Once Teresa Kok and the Sin Chew reporter got out, Unker Kit Siang has disappeared as well. What about PAS? Do you think either the old ulamas or the younger Islamist cadres have anything in common with RPK? Do you think they like RPK? Did RPK and his MT junkies pushed for the release of Nik Adli, Tuan Guru Nik Aziz’s son, who was under ISA detention for many years? I don’t recall any Ah Sohs, Ah Mois, Leng Chais and Uncles bearing “Free Nik Adli” t-shirts in front of the Kamunting camp. Actually, you MT junkies would not recognize Nik Adli even if he walked right past your smug faces. And you expect PAS to sympathise with RPK? You expect PAS to fight for RPK amidst Malaysia Today’s anti-Islamic postings and its readers’ rabid rantings against Islam?

In a nutshell, do you think the Pakatan Rakyat gives a hoot about RPK? No. He was a useful tool. But he was also a disposable tool. RPK is no use to them now. Indeed, he is now a distraction . They want to govern the nation. They have no time for this old chap. To them, RPK is just a lost soul who threw too many dices in his own little crapshoot. Their focus is on 27.5 million men and women. Not one guy who spoke and wrote too much. And they won’t glorify, deify or make a martyr out of RPK either. That’s already reserved for one man.

Marina, you owe it to RPK to close down Malaysia Today. Your “struggle” is for nothing. These sly political opportunists and selfish cyber-parasites don’t deserve your sacrifice. There are hardly a few thousand legitimate signatures in your Free RPK petition. Only a few hundred turned up in candlelight vigils and at the Hari Raya assembly at the gate of Kamunting. What does that tell you? There is no avalanche of support for RPK. There never was. The “millions of supporters” are just but a mirage spawned by delusions of grandiosity that snowballed in the Malaysia Today cyber-habitat over the years.

Let this be a lesson to other bloggers. Do not get caught in your own demagoguery, in a propensity to over-fantasize your relevance to the political process and role as some sort of a “peoples’ hero” based on the digits of your blog’s Hit Counter and a bucketful of readers’ comments.

source: deminegara.blogspot.(October 3, 2008)

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63 Responses to “Fellow Malaysians, this is what we are up against, hired writers/apologists for a discredited regime”

  1. “Let this be a lesson to other bloggers.”

    Yes! A real lesson! A lesson about a genuine parasitic rent seeker who doesn’t know his own worth! Like ‘deminegara’!

    But we all have to make a living. From our own hard earned capital. Others from dubious property and wanton thievery. That’s why the system needs to lock up somebody who has learned what values his religion means.

    deminegara, it’s all right to be paid! But next time, make it worth our while. Slip in a little more art and it will be worth my money the BN stole!

  2. This writer has many axes (against RPK) to grind!

    Yet he conveniently utilised the silent majority as the backers for the approvals of the current regime’s governance.

    What he has been written against all those groups (I-V) can be easily reversed by replacing those ‘labels’ with umno/bn sub-groups.

    Violas! one has a piece that’s in favour of the oppositions!

    The thought of this hired-hand been cornered into tight angle without himself realised is a sad tale of his ‘logical’ rantings about the RPK supporters.

    BTW the shakers/shapers of any events, are always in minority!

    So don’t U dare claimed that the silent majority is on yr side!

  3. I tried leaving a comment but am very sure it will not be published as all comments need moderation. It looks like the blogger is replying to its own blog under different names to ensure credibility. Instead of addressing issues it character assassinate MT readers as irrelevant Malaysians.

  4. Nudibranch,

    You tried where?

    Would he do that? Manufacture replies. That’s hard work. But I guess it’s still some kind of work. Labor’s lost or the lot of labor? Hmm …!

  5. Yeah, ‘deminegara aka demimoney’, you can stereotype MT readers however you like! Come on, make our day, humour us some more with your empty chatter. For your info, I am a self-thinking adult with a conscience and can differentiate between right and wrong. Well, I guess that’s what makes you and MT readers different!

  6. Interesting, well-written article, by deminegara.

    Din, what makes you think he is on the payroll of a “discredited regime”? I don’t see it that way?

    He/she makes us think about this whole RPK/Mal. Today thingy. Indeed, RPK and his “cultists” need these kinds of critique/analysis to make sure they are not too off-tangent from Malaysia’s political realities.

    I think you and others must absorb these opinions positively and not just accuse others of being on somebody’s payroll just because they make sense and go against the grain of your thinking.

    BK

  7. To be honest, I only read half of this – and then I shut down.

    Idiotic is all I can politely say. Idiots running the country. And to be labelled as irrelevant? Who is this person to judge us?

  8. It stricks me, and come across, that the writer is one big frustrated wanna-be famous somebody!

    Where are the protestors, he asked? Indeed, doesn’t the writer know that the governement does NOT like street protest as it highlights the gross discontentment and frustration of the rakyet? And, of course, there is the beloved ISA law as a most effective deterrent tool!

    In summary, I think the writer is one sad narrow minded Malaysian…But come to think of it, maybe the writer is NOT even Malaysian. Maybe a migrant issued with MyKad from Sabah!

  9. Well what this article said is true. I tried to give a balanced view in MT but denied access to comment. I guess RPK is not that fair and transparent person. You have the MSM in one end of the spectrum, and MT at the other end. The difference between MSM and MT is, the MSM are more responsible and can be subjected to litigation while the rabid commenters in MT can hide behind their anonymity even after they had posted highly inflammatory remarks.

    Thank you.

  10. Iwould’nt read any further once i sensed a rattler1 Period.
    At least we wont get worked up. Trash or recycle bin for me.
    This gunslinger for hire can be detected by their fluent flowery writngs with facts but they always shoot themselves in the foot!
    One anti Anwar blog smacks of an assasin under Ketmoc who is so bent on a vengeful vendatta.
    This writers thinks we readers are idiots!

  11. All comments are positive and support his ranting that MT is viewed by a small insignificant group of people.

  12. Tried leaving a comment on the above article at deminegara.blogspot.

    All comments are positive and support his ranting that MT is viewed by a small insignificant group of people.

  13. Nudi,

    I left one, too! Don’t matter he publishes it or not! It matters that he was moved not to! :D ! hehe!

  14. No matter what, the people have spoken through the last general elections and that by election of Permatang Pauh. That is the crux of the matter.

    Care to explain the loss of the 5 States? I think not, no matter how intellectual these hired writers may want to sound, they cannot.

    Nothing more to ramble on about. RPK you the man, the agent of change, change for the better.

  15. at what part MT is anti malay or islam..enlighten me….chauvinistic chinese??where???

  16. I have a creeping suspicion I know the NST hack who writes for this Umno-sponsored pseudo-blog (this is a new phase of BN’s cyber-ops)… for all his talk about defending “Malay dignity” against the “non-Malay” RPK-supporters he’s actually a Mamak (like every third or fourth Umno bigwig since Mahathir!) Nothing against Mamaks – except when they join Umno and become more Malay than the Malays :-)

  17. This deminegara is in effect a 2 cent coward not

  18. ( sorry about this…I’ll complete ) ….coward not fit to step in
    the shoes of someone who has staked his life because he
    loves his country and his countrymen.

  19. Did the Mufti of Perlis spook the Star or did the Star spook him? A little color gets a lot of recrimination!

    I have always thought that the Mufti of Perlis hisself is a hoax and a spoof!

    You would have thought the blatant corruption in the BN government have openly contributed to deviation more than anything else!

    http://thestar.com.my/services/printerfriendly.asp?file=/2008/10/7/nation/2201330.asp&sec=nation

  20. This fool insists that the parasites and tyrants of the ruling elite have the interests of the people at heart. That’s a really
    hard line to sell. As for chauvanists they don’t come any bigger than the UMNO Twit of Bukit Bendera,…Datuk Ahmad Ismail.

  21. This reminds me of an article written by a Filipino Blogger on Manufactured Truth.

  22. A promising fiction writer. Probably needs to be sent to a boot camp on creative writing. He starts fumbling towards the end of the article when his true intentions became clear. It also points to a new a BN/UMNO cyber-strategy – divide the opposition by trying to sound intelligent. He/she scores a D for content, C for creativity and an A for trying. An A because it is tough for sub-intelligent beings trying to appear intelligent.

  23. This pathetic hack was sleeping since 8 March 2008. If as (s)he suggests that MT fans are a deluded tiny fringe group doesn’t the March election results mean anything to him/her? Obviously an UMNO card-carrying somnolescent Bodowi clone who is in total denial.

    Even my elderly parents and young nephews have heard of and admire RPK for his great courage and conviction of being able to live in a non racist Malaysian society. Kudos to Puan Marina, RPK and his family-we ordinary Malaysians thank you for your great sacrifices.

  24. I wonder what the UMNO apologist writer has to say about sites like KPMU.net(pro UMNO) where the authors and posters cannot get their facts right, I have never before seen a larger gathering of people with IQ,s of below 50.

    As for his lamenting of RPK deleting UMNO cybertroopers posts, It is normal for any site administrator to keep trolls in check.

    I dare NST online to publish my article chastising Kalimullah Hassan and Syed Nadzri…who more or less said some of the things the above author is saying.

    Topic: Did Kalimullah Hassan get it wrong, or is it NST propoganda ?
    I refer to the article by Kalimullah Hassan published in the NST on 17th Sept 2008 titled ” Majority tired of the mind games Anwar is playing ”
    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Columns/2351938/Article/index_html

    I don’t know exactly what he means by the term “Majority” is it the majority of NST editorial staff, the majority of UMNO members or the majority of Malaysian citizens.

    Read more here

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6778953884&topic=5693

  25. Sounds like a classic case of trying to divide and rule. He makes a couple of good points but then fumbles badly by trying to run down or ignore the sea change that took place on 8 March, when many Malaysians signalled they were willing to move into uncharted territory in the quest for a new, more inclusive, Malaysia. RPK played a big role in opening the eyes of many Malaysians.

  26. And oh yes, lets not forget the article by Koh Lay Chin that many called BN apologist -propoganda, I wonder how she represents malaysian mainstream ?

    http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12127/35/

  27. Din,
    Do you think shutting down MT is the answer?
    Marine “owes it to RPK to shut down MT?”
    Wouldn’t that be a trophy for BN ….

    That only a fraction signed the petition is only becos the fear still permeates the Malaysian psyche, despite March *
    8. It isn’t something that would disappear overnight. That the numbers that have come forward itself shows that MT is bringing about a change – albeit, slowly. None would’ve thought that this was possible barely a year ago …..
    Depite the small numbers, it is still an achievement in itself – considering that it was the effort of a “rag-tag” band of bloggers, in the name of civil society movement ….
    That we have a patriot among us, is a source of pride and inspiration.

    Although that part about the plenty of unwarranted anti-Malay/ pro-”chinese”/ pro”hindraffian” sentiments are true, I wouldn’t say that these guys made up the spirit of MT.
    They were too “dominant/ outspoken/ reckless” – yes.
    And to a certain extent the racism and hypocrisy they express (despite denying it), disgusts me too ….
    That MT is an anti-Islam/Malay website – No.
    If anything, it gave room for debate and has enlightened many on the positive & progressive aspects of Islam/Malayness/ politics, and dispelled many of the half-truths spun out by “authorities”.

    The simple fact remains that much of what was passed of as Islam/ Malayness was simply frothy God-talk and mainstream racism – with the intention of subjugating and exploiting the ignorance of the the people.
    (One good example is the so called “social contract” which was simply a figment of imagination of the politicos ….)
    It (their ideas on all things about nationhood race or religion) could never withstand the test of arguments in an open debate/forum – and hence the frustration of the “cybertroopers who were out to sabotage, rather than participate.
    That they were banned – was a predicament brought upon them by themselves. So how is RPK or other commenters to be blamed for that?

    The writer despite his lovely spin doctoring and “emotional appeal” is pathetic in his argument against MT, in his pretense of “sympathy” for RPK!
    Reminds me of a certain commenter on MT with lots of emotional appeal …..

    The writer is obviously a very good spinmaster – probably the latest addition to the BN “psy-ops”. He has probably done a good job at painting MT black. I wouldn’t be surprised if big bucks are being spent on professionals worldwide towards the destruction of the MT spirit …..

    What he fails to highlight is the fact that MT was at the forefront of bringing the BN monopoly on power to a halt. With MT gone – a lot of fire in the cyber campaign would be extinguished.
    It is how BN works – they don’t compete – they snuff out opposition.
    The fact that PR is “quite” doesn’t mean that they don’t care – they have administrative duties besides fighting for the cause liberty.

    If anything, not just Marina – all of us owe it to RPK to keep MT alive.
    To shut it down would grant the pirates a victory they dream of!
    Then we will see the ruthlessness of the aristocrats in meting out their veangance.

    I certainly hope readers beware of psy-ops such as these ….

  28. Typo:-
    The fact that PR is “quiet” doesn’t mean that they don’t care ….

  29. Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels”If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

  30. Frankly speaking, perhaps, we should have a second thought of abolishing ISA as there are many hantus such Demi Negara. In actual fact, such people like Demi Negara would be charged under Sedition Act or even the much dreaded ISA.

    Anyway, never give a hoot of what these hantus especially Demi Negara says except there are guillible people who might even their spell.

    Just watched or rather glanced TV3 malay news broadcast. Feel very geli hearing Tajuddin saying (of course, not in his words).

    “I feel shiok after going thorugh ISA detention. Must also thank authorities making his going through ISA detention. No hard feeling”.

    Hmmmm…………………

  31. Where did this worm crawl out from. His basic fallacy which falls flat on his face:

    He is equating anti-UMNO with anti-Malay. UMNO does not represent the Malays. The UMNO leaders only represent themselves in trying to screw the country – Malay, Chinese and Indian included.

  32. Birds of a feather flock together. So do worms in a can! Why do we need to bother about or get worked up by worms? But I have to thank them for making the MT community more united and stengthened in spirit.

  33. Din, you give way too much credit to this writer/blogger. You seem to suggest that he/she can write. I seriously doubt it. Most of his/her sentences are cut and paste from all over the Internet. I teach undergrad and postgrad students and it takes me but a few minutes of Internet surfing to check if they have plagiarized in their papers. This fler definitely has. I also teach/practice psychology/psychoanalysis and it seems obvious to me that this fler has some serious personal psychological issues. He/she may or may not be paid to write stuff like this but its obvious that he/she enjoys doing it, someone who copies sentences from others, not fully understanding much of what it says but, to the himself/herself, it feels and looks good and he/she most probably spends many hours putting this together and many more hours reading what he/she has written over and over again cos it sounds good even if it does not make sense to him/her. They have serious inadequacy issues; a variant form of the inferiority complex and it often comes out in aggression and being obnoxious and arrogant towards others. There are a number of bloggers who would actually pride themselves in being obnoxious, arrogant, and self-righteous and appear to be smart. They project onto others in blame what they secretly wish they could acquire but never will. We can only pity them. They need help, not our attention.

  34. Hi,

    Going through your posting. I feel it is unfair to divide Malaysian into different type of groups.

    The reason why there is no unity here is because of FEAR.

    This fear was introduced from the 1969 racial tensions. It was manipulated and exploited by Mahathir. The after effects are till this date.

    The only way a average Malaysia can protest without being seen is by his vote. Which he nearly did in April 2008.

    The system created post 1969 has not united the Malaysians but has pushed each race apart in to different entities.

    The Malays obviously being favored by the Mahathir policy would like the status quo to remain as so. They liked this divide and rule as long as it favors the race of the ruler.

    The Chinese and the Indians were further alienated, and due to fear, just kept quite and tagged along. They had nowhere to go. They had to survive. They were always told that they cannot speak out or they would be locked in for sedition. They just watched while the malays kept on brandishing their keris, calling them illegal immigrants, and other insults.

    They know if they speak out, it would lead to chaos. As it happen with Hindraf.

    This is not a democracy. This is a guided democracy ruled by autocracy.

    This is the situation as it is today. You will not see the crowds protesting. You will not see any visible support as you wanted to. But what you will see a tide of hatred against the present BN government in the comments and the writings.

    The government has come to realize this, and they know from now on, its not the crowd but the votes that will matter. And they have already failed in that.

  35. hi
    Thanks for a nice spin DJ and you seem to have a penchant for smelling out the dung from the durian I supposed. Love your viewpoint on MT and its supposedly messiah? rpk? but your write-up can easily be applied to those bloggers on the other side of the fence, as sam would suggest, we can cut and past, just plagarise your article and put in names of those who are the anti-thesis of rpk, sorry I can’t sniff out who the pro government, anti-rpk, or anwar or pakatan bloggers are. Other readers may be able to spot them. I’m not sure which compartment you’d put me into I hope not any of those geng above!!!! But if I am then, thanks for alerting me to be less critical and be more a follower and believer to all that the government wants us to be?
    But on Marina I think it’s cruel not to sympathise with her. I’m not sure if you were one of the ISA victim you’d be singing praises of the law. I have 2 close frens under Operation lalang courtesy of the sage Tun and believe me for some trump up charge. ISA is mean to bring these ‘evil’ folks to mainstream society?-according to whose version of what society should be?
    Anyway thanks for publishing my comment and controversy does get zillion of admirers and hits on one’s blog… Not mine though but I hope you don’t think just because we don’t take to the street or shout banners and slogans we are moronic and not a force of change? Come the next GE, all those groups of people you mentioned in your article will go vote I hope and who knows each vote makes a difference perhaps.
    You can evaluate my blog if I’m one of those ‘evil’ bloggers http://www.jonathan66-my.blogspot.com or whether opinions are only mean for those with journalistic or pseudo-journalistic training, paid or freelancer for political parties, or like the rest of the loonie geng you mentioned in your article, armchair quarterbacks and what have you.
    Not sure what politically correct blogging means… can mean both ways depending on which geng you are in. Yours would be politically correct from where you are coming from and mine would too depends on the context as our politican reminds us ‘anything is permissible and ok’

  36. Sam (#21 above),

    Why are you so vengeful?

    I just went thru that guy’s blog (deminegara.blogspot.com) and found it well-written and rather amusing.

    It’s up to me to believe his rantings. That is what free speech is all about.

    But, why are you so worked up, with your mumbo-jumbo theories?

    You eat the Pedas chili ka?

  37. He is sure hanging around here to read the responds and he will try to create some scene at his blog to get more sympathy supports. Or some comment above, he may be creating his own comments to suit his needs and his needs is to show whoever paid him that he is doing a good job.

    I posted this comment at his blog, but see no daylight of it.
    Very well written, but under cover (no profile of who you are)and a one sided thrashing of another blogger.

    Freedom of speech, one may say. If your readers were to read carefully of what you write about RPK and your other posting, you are just a mirror of him. That’s the way he write and you are just writting the way he did. You are no difference from RPK if what you said about him is true.

    Trying to gain a foothold in cyber space to counter whatever truth are being revealed (by bloggers) on behalf of someone else whose wrong doing must and never be exposed. This is the real reason RPK is ISA’ed and not for any other reasons.

    If you are truly sincere in promoting your blog to be just and fair, I hope you will write about all the corruptions in the ruling government.

  38. the writer tried to be cynical but he reminds me of those hantu langsuir that shriek and scream, no credible sense.. it is ok for MSM to fabricate and filter stories, is that what he’s trying to say?

    it is better to be mocked at doing something that we believe in, rather than being mocked at doing something for the sake of money and power

  39. Richard Loh,

    You blind?

    I saw your comment on his/her blog.

    BUT would RPK/MT publish dissenting views?

    You answer.

    BTW, please don’t say that I am deminegara. I am my onw man.

  40. Din,

    I agreed in some points put forth by this blogger on the section of society projected to support RPK, yet not fully. Many folks did it in cyberspace, risked being hauled up by cops, many dare not even go to sign a petition, you have to believe they are that scared.

    But I think the blogger is more out to make a name for himself and also to express his “rasa syukur” to the current regime by helping to condemn RPK. In whatever way he put it, to me RPK posted both side of opinion many times in his MT, I have read many article contrary to his own view inside MT . I am sure you did too.

    Removing some unruly commentary is one thing, but if someone written some nasty things trying to put RPK in trouble, of course RPK tried his best to take it out- especially those cybertroopers that probably just come and use 4 letter words due to simple mindedness and do not have a decent opinion to contribute. That, he took it as censorship to project a bias one sided view. Well.. let the readers make their own judgment.

    Perhaps blogger should be “rasa syukur” to “Tax payer” instead because the forefathers of those folks purportedly he described as “abusing RPK braveness” , were the one paying the tax to the blogger himself/herself to be educated to pen out the opinion. RPK merely gave those “abusing” folks a voice, that’s all.

    “Teaching a lesson” for bloggers, hardly, the tone by the blogger used is more like threatening undertone -”See what happen to RPK now”. This sounded like throwing more stone onto someone already in helpless drowning position, neh!

    If RPK is so insignificant as the blogger projected, why was he ISAed ? Because just too much dirt being dug up and people are seeing too many failures of current regime started falling into the puzzle right where it belongs.

    Din, thanks again for putting it here.

    -woody.

  41. I believe there are a lot of truths in what this blogger has got to say. The truth hurts !!!Remember?

  42. The obvious flaw in deminegara.blogspot argument is that because “only” 40,000 people signed the Free RPK and Abolish ISA petition, it is deemed small, when compared to the total population.

    Ok. Let’s put it to a fair test.

    Let deminegara create another petition to say “Detain RPK indefinitely under ISA, and keep ISA”.

    Let’s see how many signatures he gets.

    My belief — a lot less than the current Free RPK petition.

    Why is that?

    Why is it that only a % of the population signs petitions, whether it is to Free RPK or to detain RPK?

    The reasons are many. Firstly, not everyone have access to the Internet. Secondly, not everyone who access the Internet have interest in politics. And perhaps most importantly, many Malaysians are genuinely afraid and many more don’t want to take the risk however small it seems – to them, it’s just not worth to sign a petition to free someone else, for the fear of being traced later. I strongly disagree with the latter, but anyone with experience trying to get someone else to sign the petition in the real world will quickly realize that many people are like that.

    But when presented with 2 petitions – Free RPK or Detain RPK – you will see a huge % signing Free RPK.

    So, I challenge deminegara. Put it to the test! A fair experiment. See how many signatures deminegara.blogspot gets. Such a sad and unfortunately twisted piece of logic!

  43. If there are still Malaysians who are unsure why UMNO is in such a mess and looks like it will stay that way, this article is a must read for them. I thought that using the race card not once but twice and failing on both occasions would have taught some that enough is enough. Not so it seems.

    I am that curious person who reads blogs in order to “supplement the less-than-credible spin spewed by the MSM”. And I have realised that our country has been mis-managed for the best part of the last two decades. I also know that UMNO, instead of reaching out to the people and listening to them have instead decided to cling on to power almost at any cost. There are a few within UMNO warning them of the consequences of this approach. But it seems nobody is listening…

  44. Just ignore blogs like ‘deminegara’ and they will die a natural death. Maybe the initial funding will be used up or they can’t sustain blogging because it is just ’spinning’.

    By the way, MT belongs to us, the Rakyat now. Stay focus and sharp.

  45. [Assuming 100,000 Malaysians actually signed the petition, this would represent less than four-tenth of one percent or 0.0036 of Malaysia’s 27.5 million people, or one out of every 275 Malaysians. It means, 274 out of 275 Malaysians don’t really care. Is this four-tenth of one percent the Critical Mass sufficient to revolutionise the Malaysian political landscape, the people with the mandate to dismantle this country’s socio-economic-political equilibrium?]

    Wow. Impressive statistics wrapped in bombastic sentences. Only an idiot would take a sampling and a percentage against a pool of the ENTIRE nation’s population, and draw his predetermined conclusion. (And be chuffed about his efforts)

    Does this clown know how many out of the 27.5 million people in Malaysia are :- children, rural folks without Internet access, illiterate, mentally incapable, very senior, physically unwell or by any other reason that prevent or preclude them from participating in the country’s political process?

    He cannot expect to be taken seriously with data crunches like this, does he?

  46. Din Merican!

    Thank You for this expose’!
    From the time I picked up this deminegara blog{via Rocky’s Bru} I was extremly distressed that the authorship was not revealed.
    The contents are very very obviously manufactured & very purile to say the least.
    I am a little ICT not-so-savy & had been wondering about the extent to which deminegara blog can go.
    What is extremly distressing is the fact that such “bloggers” continue to remain anonomous!!!

    A friend{ICT} explained that one needs to look at the site address to trace the source and gpsr the person and even hack into the site!!!!! Wow!

    Anyway, I had tons of work to complete, and I had to go for at least one day {RPK’s trial }.

    I met up with the “supporters” – yesterday there were 100!

    What is important is the fact that from across the nation,
    there are constant inquiries.

    What is important is that all are trying to understand the meaning of the legal process that RPK faces.

    What is important is that one person has taken on the System that has shackled us with regards to discussion, exchange of news,views & slammed our ability to think & reason out based on facts,rumours & gossip.

    I was involved in the scrapping of a RM1.8 billion disaster project and believe u me such a success was due in a very significant way to the NET , the likes of Malaysiakini & RPK amongst others.

    What was heartwarming was the fact that the whole day I was at the Court House, I met people who were from simple wage earners,accountants,bankers,uni students,warong people – from all walks of life & all races.
    I met the prosecutor, whom I know well.
    I met a certain gentleman whom was my buddy in Uni & whom I have not met for almost 30 years.
    And of course the lawyers, assemblymen, and MPs

    Even the car park attendant{who was a young Malay} gave me a discount when I told him I was going across to the Trial – the magic word was RPK and he smiled!!

    And as far as Marina is concerned { & the kids} kudus to u all.
    Rody & Son, thank you for the sandwich – kept me going till lunch.

    So u see, Din, the likes of the authors of “deminegara” are so stunted & retarded in their world view that they do not c the writing on the wall.

    Purile is the term I would use.

    RPK is simply the symbol of the new consciousness.

    There are other symbols that we are using as our sign posts to a better nation , healing ourselves from the rot,grime,filth & corruption that had been creeping up on us.

    It is as one other icon expressed – The Renaissance!

    Godspeed, Din & C u Anon!

  47. A paid political prostitute. Scraping the bottom of the barrel to discredit others. Just how many people visit his blog compared to MT?

  48. Din,

    My oh my, it’s happening right here in our country – desperados do desperate things, how pathetic. It’s good you’ve exposed ‘them’ – political whores, what else!

  49. The article by deminegara has a ring of truism to it and therefore credible and believable mainly because our mind had been drawn towards facts and figures that were unquestionable. What was questionable was perhaps the conclusion that was drawn from it. This is how our minds work and this is also how malicious rumours gain credibility. It uses a series of facts and then joining them together in the worst possible light.

    Notice also how “certain facts” were presented ? Our mind has to focus in order to function and by selective in the facts presented our mind is then given the appropriate dots on paper. And then the writer artfully joined the dots for us.

    Our mind is very much like the picture dots that children joined to form a picture. If we don’t have a good picture the result can be anything. However if we have a bad picture in our mind(our prejudices and believe system) what is formed is also not accurate.

    In this age and time when mind psychology had been used to manipulate public opinions we should be cognisance of the weakness of our mind. We should not fear what was written but instead fear what we believe or don’t believe. Because it is this that determines our actions.

    Know the mind and we will act wisely most of the time 8-).

  50. Well, in his blog RPK does not hide his identity and says what he wants to says. Same with Din. Who is deminegara? Dare he declare his identity instead of sniping from cover?

    Bloggers can of course choose to write under pseudonyms, for one reason or another; but those who are willing to stick their necks out are the ones who will get more serious readership. I don’t fancy this deminegara’s blog getting popular … sure the English is good, but I think people who can understand good English in this country generally understands too what is spinning and what is real writing.

  51. Brother Merican,

    Hired hands including assassins are everywhere. It is a general rule that corrupt and brutal regimes employ these personalities to spread lies and win over people to their cause. Use of murder and abuse of existing laws are justified in the name of regime survival. Yes, they are deviod of moral values and see money and position of power and influence as their way forward.

    That is why a functioning democracy needs a free and independent media, the rule of law and an active civil society. In Malaysia, I note that your nascent civil society and committed individuals like Brother Haris and Brother Raja Petra, and if I may say, yourself to have made positive contributions to Malaysian democracy. More Malaysians should come out from “hiding” to stand up and speak the truth to power.

    Of course, I must acknowledge the indispensable role of Anwar Ibrahim in bringing about the winds of change to Malaysia. His charismatic personality, intellectualism and passion for the poor and the underdog are inspirational. I know, he is going through some challenging times, but he will prevail, God willing.

    I would be proud to have as our leader in Iraq. He will play the role of unifer of Kurds, Shias and Sunnis. I wonder how many Malaysians especially Malays, realise how lucky to have him as Prime Minister in due time. His political talent, leadership and oratorical skills are needed if your country’s battered image is to be repaired.

  52. 35 | Bob

    October 8th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Well, in his blog RPK does not hide his identity and says what he wants to says. Same with Din. Who is deminegara? Dare he declare his identity instead of sniping from cover?

    Why bother about a blogger’s identity. In fact, I would think, it would be better to be anonymous and be judged on his/her thinking, rather who he/she is? Your problem is that since you cannot counter his argument because it is so TRUE, that’s where you began to feel scared…people like you are always scared of your own shadow…

  53. dear sam.

    cheap shot! please do better next time…go teach your student a better way of thinking, not like you..

  54. 38 | Rag N.

    October 7th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Richard Loh,

    You blind?

    I saw your comment on his/her blog.

    BUT would RPK/MT publish dissenting views?

    You answer.

    BTW, please don’t say that I am deminegara. I am my onw man.

    Yea, Yea, Yea, Rag N, you are right.
    I waited and check and saw that my comment was not posted even after someone else time-line later then me was posted before I post my comment here.

    As I said that blog owner or his cyber troopers are watching this blog and most likely saw my comment, and magically my post over there got posted.

    Of cause if you are, deminegara you are not going to admit it here, do you? If you are not deminegara, why don’t you advise him to present himself in his true form.

  55. One of the acid tests for a ‘mature’ or ‘developed’ society lies in its ability to ‘agree to disagree’ in a civilised manner and accepts views different from its own.

    The late JFK once said “no one party is always right and the other party is always wrong!’.

    I am both amused and sad at the same time that most commentators of this blog are not able to appreciate or at least tolerate opposing views given by others.

    Please walk your talk, accommodating differing views and learning to agree to disagree in a civilised manner are some of the very fundamentals in any democratic societies.

    To those who are allergic to opposing views, I have only two words of advice “GROW-UP!”

  56. Din, thanks again for your wisdom. Its always a challenge to detect D fox underneath sheep skin, especially so when the stakes are high. I have to read a few times over deminegara’s writing and finally, the conclusion looks more like its written by a DEMON-negara.

    Of course many of our readers will be hookwink into some fearful ‘friendly’ advise and ‘give it up’ notions to the up and coming mature true rakyat. Thats exactly the hallmark of how demons work into everyday lives of the rakyat. Its easy to see their motive in writing by asking 4 simple question.

    At the end of DEMONnegara’s writing,

    1. Is he trying to divide or unite?
    2. Is it about love or about hate?
    3. Is it about liberty or is it about fear?
    4. Is it about hope or is it about bondage?
    5. Do you fill edify or demoralised by what he writes?

    You make your own conclusion.

    All the sub groups or his own words ‘dirty classification’ will include all true rakyat MINUS the authour himself. He is the cleanest ’sterile?’ Obviously demon do not belong anywhere.

    Our true rakyat have matured and understood, to changed a 51 yrs tyrant’s entire mechanism may takes Yrs, not months! These ‘mutating viruses’ will not give up that easily. Having said that, Im amazed but not surprised the extend of efforts demonnegara willing put in just to exhibit his devilish motives. Yes, Din we need to be vigilant, he may not be the only ones.

  57. A true leader needs no support!!! When can a pillar depend on others for support!!! This writer needs to think deeper before he blurts some nonsense to confuse readers. As I said in one of my comments, RPK is no quitter and he has the spirit. He is not led by anyone but he is a leader both in mind and body. He is his own support. No doubt he may have expressed his desire for DSAI to support his demands for change. But that doesn’t mean he is looking upto DSAI to free him. He can only be freed when his mind is freed. So, deminegara, I am here to congratulate you on your failure to accomplish your aims. Don’t think RPK will be put off by your revelations. It’s time you removed this article and call it quits!!!

  58. Deminegara, today Oct 9th 2008, and mine is the 58th comment. Let’s see the no tomorrow to determine the impact of your writing on the general public that visit Bro Din’s blog.

  59. Deminegara if u r following this thread ( which I m so sure u r ..becos u ‘ve been paid to do so) let it b known that this is the 59th comment.

    your classification of the Five Gangs ( ters) ..the Idealists, The Anwaristas, The PAS Malays, The Rabid Anti Malays Racists and lastly The RPK Cultists only re-confirms your fears that u will continue 2 have sleepless nights n these groups of Gangs(ters ) haunting u till the nation’s ills r overcome…ineffective governance, economic imbalances, corruption, judicial screw ups, corruption, to name but a few.

    Rest assuredly, the truth will prevail n let this be known that this country belongs to ALL of us MALAYSIANS n not to a select few harping on racial prejudices n religious bigotry to ensure their continued existence at the expense of the majority

    Keep it up Din, Zorro, Rocky Susan RPK n the many out there
    ALl of u does the country proud.

    Your Voices of dissent only brings out the true spirit of a Malaysian I m proud to b associated with

    MAKKAL SAKHTI

    my two cents worth

    haji WG

  60. hey be gracious (or is that difficult?)

    give credit when and where it is due

    kijangmas wrote VERY well

    supported with hard data and lots of satire

    unlike mostly opinions here

  61. Hmm.. this guy sounds a lot like a guy in our blog, especially his constipated rants against RPK. Check out the postings by “anonteabaggingmalaysian” at the blog (click on my nickname) and see the similarities.

  62. deminegara indeed is a coward hiding behind the blog and condemning other bloggers and commentators and exalt himself till Pluto.

    his ways of writing is just pure instigating the wrath of the malays and condemning the non-malays. i wonder why with such inflammatory remarks, he is still not under ISA since our govt likes to use ISA on bloggers. oh i remembered, he is under the payroll of BN, so can’t be dragged to ISA.


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